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PhillyArena Community => NBA Discussion => Topic started by: Reality on December 29, 2008, 11:53:31 AM
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CENTRAL 80-69
Cleveland 26 4
Detroit 17 11
Milwaukee 14 17
Chicago 13 17
Indiana 10 20
Atlantic 78-72
Boston 28 4
New J 15 15
Phila 12 17
Toronto 12 18
New York 11 18
SOUTHEAST 75-72
Orlando 24 6
Atlanta 19 10
Miami 16 13
Charlotte 11 20
Washington 5 23
My apologies to B-Rad on not getting this posted on the promised day (yesterday), very cold regional temps here in SoCal, during the Chargers game many at home watching game while burning wood. Neighbors had near housefire, went to assist. Your Pacific Patsies still hold the worst % by far tho. ;)
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Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner! Boston is the biggest wuss in the wussiest division in the NBA!!! I guess Boston has the distinction of the most over rated record in NBA history! ::)
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How are we suppose to know which division is the worst one? Shouldn't this be color coded in green? And also given a goofy name?
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How are we suppose to know which division is the worst one? Shouldn't this be color coded in green? And also given a goofy name?
CENTRAL 80-69
Cleveland 26 4
Detroit 17 11
Milwaukee 14 17
Chicago 13 17
Indiana 10 20
Faglantic 78-72
Boston 28 4
New J 15 15
Phila 12 17
Toronto 12 18
New York 11 18
SOUTHEAST 75-72
Orlando 24 6
Atlanta 19 10
Miami 16 13
Charlotte 11 20
Washington 5 23
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Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner! Boston is the biggest wuss in the wussiest division in the NBA!!! I guess Boston has the distinction of the most over rated record in NBA history! ::)
Have you taken a look at the Laker's division lately? At least the Atlantic division has a winning record!
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Have you taken a look at the Laker's division lately? At least the Atlantic division has a winning record!
Wow, I thought only Spurs fans could be that clueless.
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Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner! Boston is the biggest wuss in the wussiest division in the NBA!!! I guess Boston has the distinction of the most over rated record in NBA history! ::)
Have you taken a look at the Laker's division lately? At least the Atlantic division has a winning record!
You obviously missed W.O.W's point but let me ask you this just for fun...
What team can beat PHX in that division? If you take the Lakers and Celtics out of their respective divisions to leave the other teams out there then you will see even tho the Pacific has a losing record they have two better teams. The Atlantic has ONE team that will actually do something in the playoffs.
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Just for fun B-Rad I did indeed "take the Lakers and Celtics out of their respective divisions to leave the other teams out there.."
Pacific minus the Lakers leaves:
Phoenix 18 12
Gold State 10 23
LA Clippers 8 22
Sacramento 8 24
Of which you claim "then you will see even tho the Pacific has a losing record they have two better teams."
Would that second team be GState, Clippers or Sactown?
The Atlantic has ONE team that will actually do something in the playoffs.
And just how did the Atlantics 2nd place team New Jersey do in their most recent trip out west, including vs Pacific Patsies?
LA Clippers W 112-95
LA Lakers L 93-120
Sacrament W 116-114 OT
Utah W 105-88
Phoenix W 117-109
Yeah rick you missed WoWs *point*. Easy to do when there is none. :D :D
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Just for fun B-Rad I did indeed "take the Lakers and Celtics out of their respective divisions to leave the other teams out there.."
Pacific minus the Lakers leaves:
Phoenix 18 12
Gold State 10 23
LA Clippers 8 22
Sacramento 8 24
Of which you claim "then you will see even tho the Pacific has a losing record they have two better teams."
Would that second team be GState, Clippers or Sactown?
What happened to the Faglantic division minus the Celtics? You know the conference with ZERO teams over .500 when you take out the Celtics? You know, the WEAKEST division in the NBA, the TRUE patsies of the NBA.
And just how did the Atlantics 2nd place team New Jersey do in their most recent trip out west, including vs Pacific Patsies?
LA Clippers W 112-95
LA Lakers L 93-120
Sacrament W 116-114 OT
Utah W 105-88
Phoenix W 117-109
Yeah rick you missed WoWs *point*. Easy to do when there is none. :D :D
Is that the same New Jersey team that is UNDER .500?
OWNED! Completely! :D
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And just how did the Atlantics 2nd place team New Jersey do in their most recent trip out west, including vs Pacific Patsies?
LA Clippers W 112-95
LA Lakers L 93-120
Sacrament W 116-114 OT
Utah W 105-88
Phoenix W 117-109
How did the overrated Celtics do against the Pacific Division? 1 for 3 OWNAGE by the Pacific over the Celtics. Throw in last nights Portland game and it's 1 for 4 PWND'ing of the Celtics by the WC!!!!
:D :D :D :D You are getting clowned Reality....make a new years resolution to get a clue regarding basketball....memorizing box scores doesn't help BTW. ;D
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Just for fun B-Rad I did indeed "take the Lakers and Celtics out of their respective divisions to leave the other teams out there.."
Pacific minus the Lakers leaves:
Phoenix 18 12
Gold State 10 23
LA Clippers 8 22
Sacramento 8 24
Of which you claim "then you will see even tho the Pacific has a losing record they have two better teams."
Would that second team be GState, Clippers or Sactown?
What happened to the Faglantic division minus the Celtics? You know the conference with ZERO teams over .500 when you take out the Celtics? You know, the WEAKEST division in the NBA, the TRUE patsies of the NBA.
And just how did the Atlantics 2nd place team New Jersey do in their most recent trip out west, including vs Pacific Patsies?
LA Clippers W 112-95
LA Lakers L 93-120
Sacrament W 116-114 OT
Utah W 105-88
Phoenix W 117-109
Yeah rick you missed WoWs *point*. Easy to do when there is none. :D :D
Is that the same New Jersey team that is UNDER .500?
rrrrrraaaaaauuugh self proclaimed owned Completely! :D
Atlantic minus Celtics:
50-68
Pacific Patsies minues the Laker Marketers: 30-77
Yeah WoW, you really *owned* me. Again. RRRrrrraaaaagh.
Realowned.
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Atlantic minus Celtics:
50-68
Pacific Patsies minues the Laker Marketers: 30-77
Yeah WoW, you really *owned* me. Again. RRRrrrraaaaagh.
Realowned.
How did the Celtics do SPECIFICALLY against the Pacific beasts?
OWNED!
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After you remove the two best teams in the league, what team in the Atlantic is better than Phoenix? Can Rick or Reality please answer this question directly.
Also oh dense one, why are you completely ignoring that there is only one .500 team in that division? Why are you not mocking that division and the teams in that division?
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So - which makes a division stronger - total record, teams with playoff legitimacy, or lack of dogmeat teams in a division?
In my mind, there's no question that with the Lakers and Suns, the Pacific division is stronger than the Atlantic, with the Celtics and four teams that are lottery teams if they're in the West.
Remove the games played WITHIN THEIR OWN DIVISION, and the standings look like this:
1. Lakers 20-4 .833 1
2. Celtics 23-5 .821 -
3. Suns 17-10 .630 5.5
4. Nets 13-16 .448 10.5
5. Raptors 12-15 .444 10.5
6. Knicks 11-16 .407 11.5
7. Sixers 11-16 .407 11.5
8. Clippers 8-19 .296 14.5
9. Warriors 9-23 .281 16
10. Kings 4-23 .148 18.5
That translates to three relevant teams: Lakers, Celtics, Suns - and JUNK.
I'd remove wins against the other half if I had time, but lunch calls.
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Jersey is 6-5 vs the West.
3-3 vs the Pacific, including a split with Phx.
Not so sure Phx is soo much better then Jersey.
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Are you really trying extra hard to be an idiot today? I mean you are getting bodied in two threads now.
So because Jersey is .500 against Pacific teams that means they are as good as the Suns? LOL. I thought I heard it all from you.
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Are you really trying extra hard to be an idiot today? I mean you are getting bodied in two threads now.
So because Jersey is .500 against Pacific teams that means they are as good as the Suns? LOL. I thought I heard it all from you.
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yeah, the validity of WoWkoasts self proclaimed ownages are very apparant. :D
If you are claiming the Pacific Patsies are sooo much better then the Atlantic, why is Jersey 3-3? Including a win at Phx.
Cue skirt off.....
I think Phx would take Jersey in a series. Wouldnt be a rout by any means....
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LOL @ you misquoting and proving you are being extra idiotic today.
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Jersey is 1-1 vs Phoenix.
Your attempts to misquote that are WoWkoastie. But go ahead, do some Laker Math. :D
After last nights win, Jersey is 4-3 vs the Pacific.
RRRrrrrraaaaauugh.
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After last night.....
Still only ONE team over .500 in the Atlantic! OWNED! :D
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Jersey is 1-1 vs Phoenix.
Your attempts to misquote that are WoWkoastie. But go ahead, do some Laker Math. :D
After last nights win, Jersey is 4-3 vs the Pacific.
RRRrrrrraaaaauugh.
Damn lets award New Jersey the championship!
You can't ignore the following:
Joe already proved you wrong by breaking down the w/l column on the previous page
There still is only one team in that division over .500
No one else in the Atlantic Division is a legit contender outside of Boston
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Jersey is 6-5 vs the West.
3-3 vs the Pacific, including a split with Phx.
Not so sure Phx is soo much better then Jersey.
:D
I guess that the Celtics are not that much better than the Bobcats based on your logic right?
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Jersey is 1-1 vs Phoenix.
Your attempts to misquote that are WoWkoastie. But go ahead, do some Laker Math. :D
After last nights win, Jersey is 4-3 vs the Pacific.
RRRrrrrraaaaauugh.
Damn lets award New Jersey the championship!
You can't ignore the following:
Joe already proved you wrong by breaking down the w/l column on the previous page
There still is only one team in that division over .500
No one else in the Atlantic Division is a legit contender outside of Boston
Which point. The one i made that Jersey is 1-1 vs Phx?
Or that Jersey is 6-5 (now 7-5) vs the Pacific?
Laker Math says otherwise. *Proof*. :D
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Jersey is 1-1 vs Phoenix.
Your attempts to misquote that are WoWkoastie. But go ahead, do some Laker Math. :D
After last nights win, Jersey is 4-3 vs the Pacific.
RRRrrrrraaaaauugh.
Damn lets award New Jersey the championship!
You can't ignore the following:
Joe already proved you wrong by breaking down the w/l column on the previous page
There still is only one team in that division over .500
No one else in the Atlantic Division is a legit contender outside of Boston
Which point. The one i made that Jersey is 1-1 vs Phx?
Or that Jersey is 6-5 (now 7-5) vs the Pacific?
Laker Math says otherwise. *Proof*. :D
Reality has been owned so bad he tries to sneak in with his "hidden" account settings to TRY and get a barb in. But when he gets uber-PWN3D he runs away and ingores the post like a little girl! :D
Reality, have the Spurs moved TD to center since he's taller than Bonner and Flabs? :D :D :D :D :D
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Yes I've really "hidden" since the days of the msnbc board. I put my account on "hidden" ever since i recieved emails from a board member who claims he never sent them and that his email account was long ago hacked. Wow i guess that makes me a "hider".
Your desperation reeks.
And so Jersey is not 1-1 vs Phx nor were they 6-5 and now 7-5 vs the West. Laker Math at its twisty finest.
rrrrrrrauuugh I'm so Pwned. :D
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Yes I've really "hidden" since the days of the msnbc board. I put my account on "hidden" ever since i recieved emails from a board member who claims he never sent them and that his email account was long ago hacked. Wow i guess that makes me a "hider".
Your desperation reeks.
Hidding your online status does not prevent someone from emailing you pendejo! Your ignorance reeks! -OR- Your dishonesty reeks! You disappear durring Lakers glory and show up in full force after a loss.
And so Jersey is not 1-1 vs Phx nor were they 6-5 and now 7-5 vs the West. Laker Math at its twisty finest.
rrrrrrrauuugh I'm so Pwned. :D
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Bobcats beat the Celtics so by Reality logic they must be better! ::)
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Reality you said yourself that New Jersey would not beat the Suns in a series. So what the hell do you keep babbling about? Is New Jersey a better team than the Phoenix Suns? No. Who in that division is better than the Suns other than Boston? No one. So there is 2 quality teams and the rest are horrible. The Atlantic has 1 quality team and the rest are barely staying afloat. I guess in Reality math 2 < 1 right? :D
Pacific has two playoff bound teams that have as good a shot as anyone to get out of the first round. The Suns were actually picked the two previous years to go all the way. When is the last time the Nets were picked to go all the way? 2003?
I will now refer to you only as Faility for now on.
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Fine, fine...let me break the whole thing down....<sigh>.
Team Record Atl Record Pac Record "in division" Adjusted Record
Boston 29-7 6-1 2-2 8-3 21-4
New Jersey 17-18 3-2 4-3 7-5 10-13
Philadelphia 14-20 2-4 4-1 6-5 8-15
Toronto 14-21 2-5 3-2 5-7 9-14
New York 13-20 2-3 2-2 4-5 9-15
LAL 27-6 5-0 7-1 12-1 15-5
Phoenix 19-12 2-1 2-2 4-3 15-9
Golden St. 10-26 3-4 1-2 4-6 6-20
LAC 8-26 0-4 0-6 0-10 8-16
Sac 8-28 0-6 4-3 4-9 4-19
So, it breaks down as follows:
If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
What you see in this is that the top teams are cannibalizing the bottom teams. So how does this stack up with what they've done against the REST of the league?
Boston 21 4 .840 -
LA Lakers 15 5 .750 3.5
Phoenix 15 9 .625 5.5
New Jersey 10 13 .435 10
Toronto 9 14 .391 11
New York 9 15 .375 11.5
Philadelphia 8 15 .347 12
LA Clippers 8 16 .333 12.5
Golden St. 6 20 .231 15.5
Sacramento 4 19 .174 16
Boston is better against the rest of the league than against the Atlantic/Pacific.
The Lakers success has come by cannibalizing the Atlantic/Pacific.
Phoenix is doing better against teh rest of the league than against Atlantic/Pacific - AND HAVE PLAYED THE FEWEST GAMES AGAINST ATLANTIC/PACIFIC. In other words, they've got a bunch of games left against the lesser players. They're better than their current record against Atlantic/Pacific.
New Jersey has it's current record because it has cannibalized its own "division" (meaning Atlantic/Pacific). Their schedule looks to get TOUGHER from here on out - with a losing record, and 4.5 games behind Phoenix. In other words, they're irrelevant.
Toronto, who is only a game behind New Jersey, has struggled within its own division. In other words, they're losing games that one would think they should win. That being the case, this may be the 2nd best team in the Atlantic - which is a lot closer to what most of us thought of them in preseason. Still, they are reaping some benefit from cannibalization.
New York is also gaining benefit from cannibalizing the division. They still have some room to cannibalize a bit more. Doesn't make them relevant, though.
Philadelphia - another team gaining benefit from cannibalizing.
The Clippers are the team who is being eaten up by the division. They're doing NOTHING in division play. Yet looking at how they've done against everyone else, they're closer to New Jersey than New Jersey is to Phoenix.
We now get to the worst of the worst - Golden State and Sacramento. If there's a break between Phoenix and New Jersey, there's also a break between the Clippers and Golden State.
Golden State has gained some benefit from cannibalizing its division. Yet even that keeps it at significant distance from even graduating to AWFUL.
Sacramento needs to just stick to playing in it's division. Apparently, they're the only people they can beat.
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
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Jersey is 1-1 vs Phoenix.
Your attempts to misquote that are WoWkoastie. But go ahead, do some Laker Math. :D
After last nights win, Jersey is 4-3 vs the Pacific.
RRRrrrrraaaaauugh.
Damn lets award New Jersey the championship!
You can't ignore the following:
Joe already proved you wrong by breaking down the w/l column on the previous page
There still is only one team in that division over .500
No one else in the Atlantic Division is a legit contender outside of Boston
Which point. The one i made that Jersey is 1-1 vs Phx?
Or that Jersey is 6-5 (now 7-5) vs the Pacific?
Laker Math says otherwise. *Proof*. :D
Sorry - but now you're doing un-REALITY math. New Jersey CANNOT be 7-5 against the Pacific, since they only play 10 games against the Pacific.
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Fine, fine...let me break the whole thing down....<sigh>.
Team Record Atl Record Pac Record "in division" Adjusted Record
Boston 29-7 6-1 2-2 8-3 21-4
New Jersey 17-18 3-2 4-3 7-5 10-13
Philadelphia 14-20 2-4 4-1 6-5 8-15
Toronto 14-21 2-5 3-2 5-7 9-14
New York 13-20 2-3 2-2 4-5 9-15
LAL 27-6 5-0 7-1 12-1 15-5
Phoenix 19-12 2-1 2-2 4-3 15-9
Golden St. 10-26 3-4 1-2 4-6 6-20
LAC 8-26 0-4 0-6 0-10 8-16
Sac 8-28 0-6 4-3 4-9 4-19
So, it breaks down as follows:
If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
What you see in this is that the top teams are cannibalizing the bottom teams. So how does this stack up with what they've done against the REST of the league?
Boston 21 4 .840 -
LA Lakers 15 5 .750 3.5
Phoenix 15 9 .625 5.5
New Jersey 10 13 .435 10
Toronto 9 14 .391 11
New York 9 15 .375 11.5
Philadelphia 8 15 .347 12
LA Clippers 8 16 .333 12.5
Golden St. 6 20 .231 15.5
Sacramento 4 19 .174 16
Boston is better against the rest of the league than against the Atlantic/Pacific.
The Lakers success has come by cannibalizing the Atlantic/Pacific.
Phoenix is doing better against teh rest of the league than against Atlantic/Pacific - AND HAVE PLAYED THE FEWEST GAMES AGAINST ATLANTIC/PACIFIC. In other words, they've got a bunch of games left against the lesser players. They're better than their current record against Atlantic/Pacific.
New Jersey has it's current record because it has cannibalized its own "division" (meaning Atlantic/Pacific). Their schedule looks to get TOUGHER from here on out - with a losing record, and 4.5 games behind Phoenix. In other words, they're irrelevant.
Toronto, who is only a game behind New Jersey, has struggled within its own division. In other words, they're losing games that one would think they should win. That being the case, this may be the 2nd best team in the Atlantic - which is a lot closer to what most of us thought of them in preseason. Still, they are reaping some benefit from cannibalization.
New York is also gaining benefit from cannibalizing the division. They still have some room to cannibalize a bit more. Doesn't make them relevant, though.
Philadelphia - another team gaining benefit from cannibalizing.
The Clippers are the team who is being eaten up by the division. They're doing NOTHING in division play. Yet looking at how they've done against everyone else, they're closer to New Jersey than New Jersey is to Phoenix.
We now get to the worst of the worst - Golden State and Sacramento. If there's a break between Phoenix and New Jersey, there's also a break between the Clippers and Golden State.
Golden State has gained some benefit from cannibalizing its division. Yet even that keeps it at significant distance from even graduating to AWFUL.
Sacramento needs to just stick to playing in it's division. Apparently, they're the only people they can beat.
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Reality has now left the building.
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Which point. The one i made that Jersey is 1-1 vs Phx?
Or that Jersey is 6-5 (now 7-5) vs the Pacific?
Laker Math says otherwise. *Proof*. :D
Sorry - but now you're doing un-REALITY math. New Jersey CANNOT be 7-5 against the Pacific, since they only play 10 games against the Pacific.
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If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Thanks for validating my points.
weakoast, i would put NJ under Phx in a series at about 40/60. Phx is not that much better.
WoW may have had enough years now (a decade?) to explain to you the chances of a 40% suck out.
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If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Thanks for validating my points.
weakoast, i would put NJ under Phx in a series at about 40/60. Phx is not that much better.
WoW may have had enough years now (a decade?) to explain to you the chances of a 40% suck out.
Your stupidity amazes me every day. Do you read after the bold where he specifically states that the Pacific division is stronger. Did you even read anything he said? Or did you just twist one line he said and tried to say he validated your point?
Your point was the Pacific Division was the weakest. His entire posts says otherwise. You cannot possibly be this retarded.
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^^ My babysitting has its limitations.
I've stated what I've stated re the division and Jersey vs Phoenix.
If you and Joe want to discuss infinitum whether Golden State, the Clippers, and Sacramento are better, have at it. :D
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^^^ so does your brain apparently
Sorry - but now you're doing un-REALITY math. New Jersey CANNOT be 7-5 against the Pacific, since they only play 10 games against the Pacific.
So are you an idiot or a liar? You can only be one of two in this instance.
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Which point. The one i made that Jersey is 1-1 vs Phx?
Or that Jersey is 6-5 (now 7-5) vs the Pacific?
Laker Math says otherwise. *Proof*. :D
Sorry - but now you're doing un-REALITY math. New Jersey CANNOT be 7-5 against the Pacific, since they only play 10 games against the Pacific.
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I forgot to ask you before but how long did this take you to do LOL
Oh ya, Reality has magically vanished from the thread. Didn't see that coming.
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I forgot to ask you before but how long did this take you to do LOL
Oh ya, Reality has magically vanished from the thread. Didn't see that coming.
The "O" and the "W" took a couple of minutes but as you can see I just blasted through the rest of the letters.
Reality vanished from topics in this thread a while ago. He made such a STUPID comment about height determining position and then got called on it. He ran like a bee with an itch...err...bee-itch.
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If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Thanks for validating my points.
weakoast, i would put NJ under Phx in a series at about 40/60. Phx is not that much better.
WoW may have had enough years now (a decade?) to explain to you the chances of a 40% suck out.
Actually, Reality, the numbers say that against the league as a whole - instead of just against its two worst divisions - New Jersey is closer to the Clippers than it is to Phoenix. And given the fact that Phoenix has had little chance to cannibalize the patsies of the Atlantic so far, I think that discrepancy will grow.
New Jersey is relevant only because it is playing in a conference where a losing record still can get you into the playoffs.
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If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Thanks for validating my points.
weakoast, i would put NJ under Phx in a series at about 40/60. Phx is not that much better.
WoW may have had enough years now (a decade?) to explain to you the chances of a 40% suck out.
Actually, Reality, the numbers say that against the league as a whole - instead of just against its two worst divisions - New Jersey is closer to the Clippers than it is to Phoenix. And given the fact that Phoenix has had little chance to cannibalize the patsies of the Atlantic so far, I think that discrepancy will grow.
New Jersey is relevant only because it is playing in a conference where a losing record still can get you into the playoffs.
He's never going to read this LOL.
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If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Thanks for validating my points.
weakoast, i would put NJ under Phx in a series at about 40/60. Phx is not that much better.
WoW may have had enough years now (a decade?) to explain to you the chances of a 40% suck out.
Actually, Reality, the numbers say that against the league as a whole - instead of just against its two worst divisions - New Jersey is closer to the Clippers than it is to Phoenix. And given the fact that Phoenix has had little chance to cannibalize the patsies of the Atlantic so far, I think that discrepancy will grow.
New Jersey is relevant only because it is playing in a conference where a losing record still can get you into the playoffs.
He's never going to read this LOL.
Correction: He's never going to ADMIT to reading this!
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Thanks FRAN*s. WoW talking about not showing up. :D
I put Jersey at 40% chance of winning vs 60% chance of losing vs Phx in a series. It's not that far off.
Joe you are still so in love with Jason Kidd. Devin Harris is a great addition to the Nets. Along with the Lopez twin etc, they have an okay nucleous.
weakoast i indeed missed the 7-5 mark as being vs the Pacific Paties. Instead its 7-5, make that 8-5 vs the West since Jersey just beat the Grizz. ;) And we know how highly you value a win over the Grizz.
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Thanks FRAN*s. WoW talking about not showing up. :D
I put Jersey at 40% chance of winning vs 60% chance of losing vs Phx in a series. It's not that far off.
Joe you are still so in love with Jason Kidd. Devin Harris is a great addition to the Nets. Along with the Lopez twin etc, they have an okay nucleous.
weakoast i indeed missed the 7-5 mark as being vs the Pacific Paties. Instead its 7-5, make that 8-5 vs the West since Jersey just beat the Grizz. ;) And we know how highly you value a win over the Grizz.
It's not that you missed it. You straight lied to try to prove your point.
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Thanks FRAN*s. WoW talking about not showing up. :D
I put Jersey at 40% chance of winning vs 60% chance of losing vs Phx in a series. It's not that far off.
Joe you are still so in love with Jason Kidd. Devin Harris is a great addition to the Nets. Along with the Lopez twin etc, they have an okay nucleous.
weakoast i indeed missed the 7-5 mark as being vs the Pacific Paties. Instead its 7-5, make that 8-5 vs the West since Jersey just beat the Grizz. ;) And we know how highly you value a win over the Grizz.
And in the West, an "okay nucleus" - like the ones in Minnesota, Memphis, or Clipperland - mean that you get beat pretty much every night.
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That must explain why Jersey is 8-6 vs the West including 4-3 vs the Pacific.
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That must explain why Jersey is 8-6 vs the West including 4-3 vs the Pacific.
I am praying to baby jesus that this gets through your Hoover Dam-esque skull.
Let me explain to you why Jersey is 8-6 vs the West. Please follow along. They haven't even played the Spurs, Blazers, or the Hornets one time this season. That's FOUR games they have a very good chance of losing. Wouldn't be all that surprised to hear they dropped 5 of 6 against those better squads. They also still have one game left with Denver, LA, Houston, and Dallas. That's EVEN MORE games they have a very good chance of losing. All teams much better than they are and better than the teams they've played up to this point. I hope you are still following....
Ready put your thinking cap on....
That means they've been beating up on weak teams. Being 8-6 against the lower half of the Conference teams means nothing. You know what, scratch that. I believe it proves they are average. Based on who they've played and how well they've played they are not a relevant team at all. How many ways do you need to be told? Literally the Atlantic Division has ONE good team. The Pacific has TWO good teams. TWO is greater than ONE.
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That must explain why Jersey is 8-6 vs the West including 4-3 vs the Pacific.
Well, to start with NJ is 8-5 against the western conference.
But I will make it a simple breakdown that even Reality should understand.
The west is basically 9 "top teams" and the east has 5 (record above .580). After these 14 teams the next 9 teams record wise are from the east. Then there are the "doormats" with records below .300. 6 of these 7 teams are in the west.
So then look at NJ record against these tiers:
Top 3-4 (west) 5-1 (east - w 0 games vs Bos & Orl)
Middle no west teams 4-12 (east - teams NJ will fight for playoff position with)
Doormats 5-1 (west) 1-1 (east - wash only east team)
So NJ is 8-5 vs west, 10-14 vs east and fighting for a 6-10 place finish in its conference. An middle of the nba team. The Suns are one of the "top teams" fighting for a playoff spot in the west.
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That must explain why Jersey is 8-6 vs the West including 4-3 vs the Pacific.
Well, to start with NJ is 8-5 against the western conference.
But I will make it a simple breakdown that even Reality should understand.
So NJ is 8-5 vs west,
NJ is 8-5 vs the West. Thank you.
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Damn I thought we could ignore people on here.
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Just remember these stats are based on less than half a season, and the positions of the teams are by no means static.
The Atlantic may be the weakest now, with only the Celtics notable. But I think at least one other team from that division will start rising in the standings and power rankings.
Besides who gives a rats behind, as though it really means anything. Even head to head competition has be taken with "a grain of salt'. Just pay attention to the point differential, and who is kicking butt. The team with the widest spread over the last third of the season is highly likely to win the whole thing.
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Jersey improving to 9-5 vs the West with tonights win over OKC.
Brook Lopez putting up career numbers.
Bobby Simmons realizing some of the potential he showed in Clipperland and finally earning his Nets paycheck.
However Ji, who was having a rookie streak that rivaled a 2nd year Fabs Oberto, is out with an injury. :-\
22/13 altho that was against a Pacific Patsie team, the Kings.
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Jersey improving to 9-5 vs the West with tonights win over OKC.
Brook Lopez putting up career numbers.
Bobby Simmons realizing some of the potential he showed in Clipperland and finally earning his Nets paycheck.
However Ji, who was having a rookie streak that rivaled a 2nd year Fabs Oberto, is out with an injury. :-\
22/13 altho that was against a Pacific Patsie team, the Kings.
Great win over an awesome powerhouse.
Didn't OKC lose to their exhibition game against the School of the Blind last week?
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^^ one down 8 to go. ;)
JoeVAnd in the West, an "okay nucleus" - like the ones in Minnesota, Memphis, or Clipperland - mean that you get beat pretty much every night.
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I really wish you were banned instead of Jem.
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I really wish you were banned instead of Jem.
If Reality were banned there would be ONE new topic per month and about two posts per week.
wk, we need a little get together so we can have an "understanding".
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I really wish you were banned instead of Jem.
If Reality were banned there would be ONE new topic per month and about two posts per week.
wk, we need a little get together so we can have an "understanding".
That's fine with me. One quality topic per month vs 3 idiotic ones? Hmmm. Hard to decide.
Have you been to a game yet this year?
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That's fine with me. One quality topic per month vs 3 idiotic ones? Hmmm. Hard to decide.
Have you been to a game yet this year?
Not one single game. Maybe we should try for a "Middle East peace talk" type gathering at a Clippers vs Spurs game. I don't think I could afford a Lakers game.
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That's fine with me. One quality topic per month vs 3 idiotic ones? Hmmm. Hard to decide.
Have you been to a game yet this year?
Not one single game. Maybe we should try for a "Middle East peace talk" type gathering at a Clippers vs Spurs game. I don't think I could afford a Lakers game.
If only both I and Israel could put Reality and Gaza on ignore....
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It's easy to ignore reality. Just don't read or respond to his posts. Israel should only be so lucky.....
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It's easy to ignore reality. Just don't read or respond to his posts. Israel should only be so lucky.....
He shoots retard rockets into threads all the time. It's hard to ignore him when following a thread of responses.
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There's a lot of ignorance and stupidity in the world. As far as I can tell, all anyone can do is accept it. Pointing it out to the offender does no good, and often makes matters worse. I suppose I should say "easy" for me, but only because I'm trying to not allow these types of things to bother me.
It's supposed to be about having fun and sharing our perspectives and treating each other with dignity and respect. What does it matter to you if someone else has a false opinion? Why should it matter at all?
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There's a lot of ignorance and stupidity in the world. As far as I can tell, all anyone can do is accept it. Pointing it out to the offender does no good, and often makes matters worse. I suppose I should say "easy" for me, but only because I'm trying to not allow these types of things to bother me.
It's supposed to be about having fun and sharing our perspectives and treating each other with dignity and respect. What does it matter to you if someone else has a false opinion? Why should it matter at all?
This comming from a guy who is quick to hurl an insult and question other posters intelligence based on their lack of experience in one single very specialized topic? ::)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Main Entry: iro?ny
Pronunciation: \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural iro?nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirōnia, from eirōn dissembler
Date: 1502
1: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning ?called also Socratic irony
2 a: the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b: a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c: an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1): incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2): an event or result marked by such incongruity b: incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play ?called also dramatic irony tragic irony
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There's a lot of ignorance and stupidity in the world. As far as I can tell, all anyone can do is accept it. Pointing it out to the offender does no good, and often makes matters worse. I suppose I should say "easy" for me, but only because I'm trying to not allow these types of things to bother me.
It's supposed to be about having fun and sharing our perspectives and treating each other with dignity and respect. What does it matter to you if someone else has a false opinion? Why should it matter at all?
This comming from a guy who is quick to hurl an insult and question other posters intelligence based on their lack of experience in one single very specialized topic? ::)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Main Entry: iro?ny
Pronunciation: \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural iro?nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirōnia, from eirōn dissembler
Date: 1502
1: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning ?called also Socratic irony
2 a: the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b: a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c: an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1): incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2): an event or result marked by such incongruity b: incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play ?called also dramatic irony tragic irony
What's the matter? I'm not allowed to change?
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What's the matter? I'm not allowed to change?
:-X
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Great win over an awesome powerhouse.
Didn't OKC lose to their exhibition game against the School of the Blind last week?
I don't know about last week, but about last night: Are the Jazz going by the name "School of the Blind"?
OKC 114-93 over Utah last night. ;)
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There's a lot of ignorance and stupidity in the world. As far as I can tell, all anyone can do is accept it. Pointing it out to the offender does no good, and often makes matters worse. I suppose I should say "easy" for me, but only because I'm trying to not allow these types of things to bother me.
It's supposed to be about having fun and sharing our perspectives and treating each other with dignity and respect. What does it matter to you if someone else has a false opinion? Why should it matter at all?
This comming from a guy who is quick to hurl an insult and question other posters intelligence based on their lack of experience in one single very specialized topic? ::)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Main Entry: iro?ny
Pronunciation: \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural iro?nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirōnia, from eirōn dissembler
Date: 1502
1: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning ?called also Socratic irony
2 a: the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b: a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c: an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1): incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2): an event or result marked by such incongruity b: incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play ?called also dramatic irony tragic irony
What's the matter? I'm not allowed to change?
:D :D :D :D
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Great win over an awesome powerhouse.
Didn't OKC lose to their exhibition game against the School of the Blind last week?
I don't know about last week, but about last night: Are the Jazz going by the name "School of the Blind"?
OKC 114-93 over Utah last night. ;)
I don't know about last night but last week the OKC OWNED!
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Great win over an awesome powerhouse.
Didn't OKC lose to their exhibition game against the School of the Blind last week?
I don't know about last week, but about last night: Are the Jazz going by the name "School of the Blind"?
OKC 114-93 over Utah last night. ;)
I don't know about last night but last week the OKC OWNED!
Well, last night the Nets were beat by the Blazers on their HOME court. NJ has built their "record" against the scrubs of the west.
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Well, last night the Nets were beat by the Blazers on their HOME court. NJ has built their "record" against the scrubs of the west.
So maybe Hall of Fame coach Popavich will be able to beat them a few nights from now?
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Well, last night the Nets were beat by the Blazers on their HOME court. NJ has built their "record" against the scrubs of the west.
So maybe Hall of Fame coach Popavich will be able to beat them a few nights from now?
What kind of fan questions his team against one that they are obviously much better than?
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Well, last night the Nets were beat by the Blazers on their HOME court. NJ has built their "record" against the scrubs of the west.
So maybe Hall of Fame coach Popavich will be able to beat them a few nights from now?
What kind of fan questions his team against one that they are obviously much better than?
A RealFakeSpurs fan! :D Viva Box Scores!
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The Celts really had a tough go against those contending Pacific Division Suns.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290119002
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The Celts really had a tough go against those contending Pacific Division Suns.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290119002
LOL you can't be serious.
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The Celts really had a tough go against those contending Pacific Division Suns.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290119002
Thu 25 @ LA Lakers L 83-92
Fri 26 @ Golden State L 89-99
Sun 28 @ Sacramento W 108-63
Tue 30 @ Portland L 86-91
Wed 07 vs Houston L 85-89
OWNAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Celts really had a tough go against those contending Pacific Division Suns.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290119002
LOL you can't be serious.
Yes, the Celts really beat the Suns.
And now tonight Dallas pummelled your contending Suns by 20.
Tough luck for NJ tho and no chance to gain ground on Phx, running up against that Hall of Fame coach Popavich and Mike Finley. Tied late, but Pop really knows how to adjust those lineups and tinker with the personell. 94-91 at home. Phew. Pop is genius.
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The Celts really had a tough go against those contending Pacific Division Suns.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290119002
LOL you can't be serious.
Yes, the Celts really beat the Suns.
And now tonight Dallas pummelled your contending Suns by 20.
Tough luck for NJ tho and no chance to gain ground on Phx, running up against that Hall of Fame coach Popavich and Mike Finley. Tied late, but Pop really knows how to adjust those lineups and tinker with the personell. 94-91 at home. Phew. Pop is genius.
Dallas is totally AWESOME, first they beat Detriot by 21 earlier TODAY and now Reality is telling us they beat the Suns by 20 TONIGHT. Boxscores are sooooooooooooooooooooooo confusing. :D :D :D OW...err...nevermind.
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I've said the Pacific Patsies are sooooo much better then Boston and Jersey, but now that Boston has rebounded from the Laker loss, Jersey is holding its own while Phoenix tanks, I've got to change the subject, misquote, talk out of my ass or just plain jizz in my pants again. Or, all of the forementioned at once. rrrrrraaaaaaugh.
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And now tonight Dallas pummelled your contending Suns by 20.
:D :D :D
Expect to see "Edit" at the bottom of my post IMMEDIATELY!!!!
:D :D :D
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^^ yes losing to the Bobcats instead of Dallas (my mistake), even further strengthens your view that the Pacific Patsies are soo much better.
:D You self own even when you do catch me in a mistake. ;)
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^^ yes losing to the Bobcats instead of Dallas (my mistake), even further strengthens your view that the Pacific Patsies are soo much better.
:D You self own even when you do catch me in a mistake. ;)
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Bobcats, you mean the same Bobcats that BEAT the Celtics? The same Celtics who are leading the WEAKEST division in the NBA? :D :D :D :D
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^^ yes losing to the Bobcats instead of Dallas (my mistake), even further strengthens your view that the Pacific Patsies are soo much better.
:D You self own even when you do catch me in a mistake. ;)
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Bobcats, you mean the same Bobcats that BEAT the Celtics? The same Celtics who are leading the WEAKEST division in the NBA? :D :D :D :D
No more quick replies from our "Hidden" poster? Head must be steaming.... :D
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Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
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Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
I can't wait for them to destroy the Spurs...
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Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
I can't wait for them to destroy the Spurs...
You do realize you just jinxed the Lakers don't you? Idiot! ::) :P
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Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
I can't wait for them to destroy the Spurs...
You do realize you just jinxed the Lakers don't you? Idiot! ::) :P
How? I think you jinxed the Lakers by trying to say I jinxed the Lakers even though my comment was sarcastic.
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Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
I can't wait for them to destroy the Spurs...
You do realize you just jinxed the Lakers don't you? Idiot! ::) :P
How? I think you jinxed the Lakers by trying to say I jinxed the Lakers even though my comment was sarcastic.
Now you jinxed the jinx. Can't you Lakers fans do anything right?
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Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
I can't wait for them to destroy the Spurs...
You do realize you just jinxed the Lakers don't you? Idiot! ::) :P
How? I think you jinxed the Lakers by trying to say I jinxed the Lakers even though my comment was sarcastic.
Now you jinxed the jinx. Can't you Lakers fans do anything right?
That idiot Lurker just UNjinxed the Lakers...err...but my post ....DAMMIT! >:(
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Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
Ever since OKC got rid of your other favorite, PJ Carlisemo, their offense has picked up and they are doing much better, esp Durant. In fact OKC hammered Utah by 20 also. Hey since Hall of Fame coach Gregor Popper is going into Utah tonight, he'll probablly hammer Utah by 20 too! Huh Cousin Lurker?
Super Jis absense appears to be too much for the Nets to overcome. :)
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This evening:
New Jersey administering a 44 point buttkicking to the West Conf NW Division leading Denver Nuggets. The Nets doing this with SuperJi still out on the IR.
I put Jersey at 40% chance of winning vs 60% chance of losing vs Phx in a series. It's not that far off.
Joe you are still so in love with Jason Kidd. Devin Harris is a great addition to the Nets. Along with the Lopez twin etc, they have an okay nucleous.
JoeVAnd in the West, an "okay nucleus" - like the ones in Minnesota, Memphis, or Clipperland - mean that you get beat pretty much every night.
New Jersey is closer to the Clippers than it is to Phoenix.
Lurker
NJ has built their "record" against the scrubs of the west.
and...The Suns are one of the "top teams" fighting for a playoff spot in the west.
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Hay dummy, it was ONE win.
I love how you disappear for weeks at a time when they get kicked around then magically show up from ONE win.
For those who watch games, Denver has been in a funk the last few games. They BARELY beat the Thunder the other night.
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I've been Nannyrammed again!
weakoast, check the Nets record vs the West again. Also against frontrunners.
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For those who watch games, Denver has been in a funk the last few games. They BARELY beat the Thunder the other night.
Trying to Nannyramspin a 44 point Nets win vs an opponent with a full roster into a negative. :D :D
For those of you who watch games (and understand them), OKC is much better since they ditched lurkers 2nd fav coach PJ Carlisemo.
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This evening:
New Jersey administering a 44 point buttkicking to the West Conf NW Division leading Denver Nuggets. The Nets doing this with SuperJi still out on the IR.
This evening:
The Pacific Powerhouse Los Angeles Clippers DESTROY the #4 seed Atlanta Hawks 121 to 97.
OWNED!
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For those who watch games, Denver has been in a funk the last few games. They BARELY beat the Thunder the other night.
The Thunder? You mean the same Thunder that beat the NJ Nets?
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I've been Nannyrammed and WoW**owned**-koastie certified in the same half hour.
Wow! Jersey and the Clips have the same* non conf record and more pertantly to this threads OP, vs each others Divisions.
* must use Laker Math and add Milk to your koastie treats.
I love how you disappear for weeks at a time when they get kicked around then magically show up from ONE win.
For those who watch games, Denver has been in a funk the last few games. They BARELY beat the Thunder the other night.
Jan 27 was my previous post. That would be a whole 10 days. Before that i posted on Jan 24th. Add WoWkoastie Milk and that becomes "weeks".
Re: Eastern Division W-L records
Reply #87 on: January 27, 2009, 05:45:44 PM
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Quote from: Lurker on January 27, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
Reality
Ever since OKC got rid of your other favorite, PJ Carlisemo, their offense has picked up and they are doing much better, esp Durant. In fact OKC hammered Utah by 20 also. Hey since Hall of Fame coach Gregor Popper is going into Utah tonight, he'll probablly hammer Utah by 20 too! Huh Cousin Lurker?
Super Jis absense appears to be too much for the Nets to overcome.
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I've been Nannyrammed and WoW**owned**-koastie certified in the same half hour.
Wow! Jersey and the Clips have the same* non conf record and more pertantly to this threads OP, vs each others Divisions.
* must use Laker Math and add Milk to your koastie treats.
You're so owned I bet you are crying right now because the Pacific Division Clippers just owned the #4 seed in the Eastern Conference Hawks.
(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2271/motivator4237759fo7.jpg)
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Um Reality...
Last month the Nets only played two playoff bound WC teams....and what happened? They lost to both of them (Spurs and Blazers). They have won 1 game vs a playoff team so far this month but still have to play the Spurs, Mavs, and Rockets. Two of those games are on the road. Those are three teams much better than they are. Just like I told you last month. Probably going to be the same result. Most likely will take 3 L's *MAY* sneak a win in out of those 3. That would make them a whopping 1-5 vs the quality teams or 2-4 vs quality teams this new year. Very sub par and only further proving you are wrong. After that? They play the Lakers and Blazers in the following month (March). Point being is they haven't even finished all their series with the better teams in the WC. In the next two months they close all those up.
Do you even look things up before you make comments? This is getting down right silly. You've already been proven wrong MANY times in this thread yet for some reason you keep upping it to try to save face. Yet you are accomplishing the EXACT opposite. I don't get it. Are you a glutton for punishment? Do you enjoy being laughed at? I don't get it. If I were you I would have let this thread just die out. Maybe PM DB and BEG him to delete it LOL
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Boston is 24-4 at home, with all four losses coming against the Western Conference.
Cavs only home loss comes at the hands of a Western Conference team.
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I've been Nannyrammed and WoW**owned**-koastie certified in the same half hour.
Wow! Jersey and the Clips have the same* non conf record and more pertantly to this threads OP, vs each others Divisions.
* must use Laker Math and add Milk to your koastie treats.
I love how you disappear for weeks at a time when they get kicked around then magically show up from ONE win.
For those who watch games, Denver has been in a funk the last few games. They BARELY beat the Thunder the other night.
Jan 27 was my previous post. That would be a whole 10 days. Before that i posted on Jan 24th. Add WoWkoastie Milk and that becomes "weeks".
Re: Eastern Division W-L records
Reply #87 on: January 27, 2009, 05:45:44 PM
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Quote from: Lurker on January 27, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
Did anyone hear about those mighty Nets...they lost last night to the WORSE team in the western conference. And NJ needed a 31-12 4th quarter to make the score even look respectable 94-85. Oh those mighty Nets.
Go Thunder!
Reality
Ever since OKC got rid of your other favorite, PJ Carlisemo, their offense has picked up and they are doing much better, esp Durant. In fact OKC hammered Utah by 20 also. Hey since Hall of Fame coach Gregor Popper is going into Utah tonight, he'll probablly hammer Utah by 20 too! Huh Cousin Lurker?
Super Jis absense appears to be too much for the Nets to overcome.
? Last Edit: Today at 12:21:12 AM by Reality ? :D :D :D :D :D EDIT!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
The DOMINANT Pacific Division sent the Clippers to BEAST own the #4 seed in the Eastern Conference.
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Thanks FRAN*s.
Jersey doing just what I said they would do in the op and thruout, actually better. Now 11-9 vs West and check their record vs the Pacific Patsies.
If only they could keep playing the Patsies. Agree this upcoming week on the road vs SAS, Hornets and others, all without SuperJi will be brutal.
You two skirts are no longer talking about Phoenix. :D
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Thanks FRAN*s.
Jersey doing just what I said they would do in the op and thruout, actually better. Now 11-9 vs West and check their record vs the Pacific Patsies.
If only they could keep playing the Patsies. Agree this upcoming week on the road vs SAS, Hornets and others, all without SuperJi will be brutal.
You two skirts are no longer talking about Phoenix. :D
Oh you mean the 27-21 PHX Suns? Are you really comparing them to the 24-28 NJ Nets? Again...LOOK THINGS UP BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Oh btw WOW...Reality didn't even know PJ Carlisemo got fired until I told him. He tried to blame the offense grinding to a halt on him when he had been fired for a month LOL
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Oh you mean the 27-21 PHX Suns? Are you really comparing them to the 24-28 NJ Nets? Again...LOOK THINGS UP BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Oh btw WOW...Reality didn't even know PJ Carlisemo got fired until I told him. He tried to blame the offense grinding to a halt on him when he had been fired for a month LOL
As great as I am at OWNING Reality, Reality is the true master of owning Reality. Self ownage by Reality is the real dominant performance of this season. ;D
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Oh you mean the 27-21 PHX Suns? Are you really comparing them to the 24-28 NJ Nets? Again...LOOK THINGS UP BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Oh btw WOW...Reality didn't even know PJ Carlisemo got fired until I told him. He tried to blame the offense grinding to a halt on him when he had been fired for a month LOL
As great as I am at OWNING Reality, Reality is the true master of owning Reality. Self ownage by Reality is the real dominant performance of this season. ;D
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This about sums it up.
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Thanks FRAN*s.
Jersey doing just what I said they would do in the op and thruout, actually better. Now 11-9 vs West and check their record vs the Pacific Patsies.
If only they could keep playing the Patsies. Agree this upcoming week on the road vs SAS, Hornets and others, all without SuperJi will be brutal.
You two skirts are no longer talking about Phoenix. :D
Phoenix Suns just "Pacific Division BEAST-owned" the Pistons on National Television!!!
The REAL Beasts of the NBA are owning the fake tough guys out East!!!
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/20qz9mc.jpg)
This about sums it up.
Yup, that is Reality!!!
NOW look at him:
(http://www.forumspile.com/Owned/Owned-BadHair.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I would like to also add that the NBA power rankings for the last month have had 7 WC teams and 3 EC teams.
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Thanks FRAN*s.
Jersey doing just what I said they would do in the op and thruout, actually better. Now 11-9 vs West and check their record vs the Pacific Patsies.
If only they could keep playing the Patsies. Agree this upcoming week on the road vs SAS, Hornets and others, all without SuperJi will be brutal.
You two skirts are no longer talking about Phoenix. :D
YOUR op said nothing about NJ and their record agasinst the west either. So stop inhaling the fumes form the vat of laker winning juice you are brewing.
BTW I don't suppose you noticed that except for your beloved Nets that the East went 0-7 against the West this weekend. Including a big 0-4 by Boston, Cleveland, Atlanta & Detroit (4 of the top 5 seeds). And all on their home courts. :D :D :D
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Thanks FRAN*s.
Jersey doing just what I said they would do in the op and thruout, actually better. Now 11-9 vs West and check their record vs the Pacific Patsies.
If only they could keep playing the Patsies. Agree this upcoming week on the road vs SAS, Hornets and others, all without SuperJi will be brutal.
You two skirts are no longer talking about Phoenix. :D
YOUR op said nothing about NJ and their record agasinst the west either. So stop inhaling the fumes form the vat of laker winning juice you are brewing.
BTW I don't suppose you noticed that except for your beloved Nets that the East went 0-7 against the West this weekend. Including a big 0-4 by Boston, Cleveland, Atlanta & Detroit (4 of the top 5 seeds). And all on their home courts. :D :D :D
The OP morphed into your beloved *Cousins burning on the Atlantic vs the Pacific due to (in their twists), the great superiority of Phx over Jersey.
*Not talking about you JoeV, your stats were helpful and we are not that far apart on this thing. You think Jersey is closer to Clippers, Kings etc the bottom dwellers of the Pacific, i think Jersey is closer to Phoenix.
Back to the Skirts.WC certainly owned the EC Celts and Cavs this past week. But while you're all snuggly with your Laker bffs, the win vs the Celts with the Derek Swisher calls is iffy at best. Props for the Lakers for keeping it close at Boston and then rolling the Cavs in the 2nd half. Altho i would need to hear from some Non Lakers to find out what really came down in the 50-30 second half.
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Thanks FRAN*s.
Jersey doing just what I said they would do in the op and thruout, actually better. Now 11-9 vs West and check their record vs the Pacific Patsies.
If only they could keep playing the Patsies. Agree this upcoming week on the road vs SAS, Hornets and others, all without SuperJi will be brutal.
You two skirts are no longer talking about Phoenix. :D
Oh you mean the 27-21 PHX Suns? Are you really comparing them to the 24-28 NJ Nets? Again...LOOK THINGS UP BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Just in case you want to pretend to not see this...
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Thanks FRAN*s.
Jersey doing just what I said they would do in the op and thruout, actually better. Now 11-9 vs West and check their record vs the Pacific Patsies.
If only they could keep playing the Patsies. Agree this upcoming week on the road vs SAS, Hornets and others, all without SuperJi will be brutal.
You two skirts are no longer talking about Phoenix. :D
Oh you mean the 27-21 PHX Suns? Are you really comparing them to the 24-28 NJ Nets? Again...LOOK THINGS UP BEFORE YOU TYPE.
Just in case you want to pretend to not see this...
No, you confuse my choosing to ignore it with pretending.
Were the thread, "Who has a better overall record, Phx or Jersey?", you would have a shred of credibility and make an iota of sense.
However it's about the Atlantic vs the Pacific, with you then claiming Phx was soo much better then any of the Atlantic teams outside of Boston.
Well well, last night Philly ran Phx 108-91. WoWkoasties spout prior had been how the Atlantic had only ONE team over .500
Philly just improved to two games over .500 and only look to continue to improve with Dileo.
More to the point, compare the records of Atl vs Pac head to head. Then try dissing the Nets, Philly et all.
Self ownage by you per ususal. Yawn.
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Were the thread, "Who has a better overall record, Phx or Jersey?", you would have a shred of credibility and make an iota of sense.
However it's about the Atlantic vs the Pacific,
Well, the title says Eastern Division won-loss records and the opening post was a recap of the Eastern conference standings. It was only after you (Reality) twisted the thread to try to prove something to WOW & koast that it became something different. And even then it never became "Atlantic vs Pacific"...that was just a small part of it.
The thread is mostly about how you will totally ignore facts and twist "PARTIAL" quotes into somehting that you believe makes you look right. All it has done is reinforce the common understanding of your posting style.
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Were the thread, "Who has a better overall record, Phx or Jersey?", you would have a shred of credibility and make an iota of sense.
However it's about the Atlantic vs the Pacific,
Well, the title says Eastern Division won-loss records and the opening post was a recap of the Eastern conference standings. It was only after you (Reality) twisted the thread to try to prove something to WOW & koast that it became something different. And even then it never became "Atlantic vs Pacific"...that was just a small part of it.
The thread is mostly about how you will totally ignore facts and twist "PARTIAL" quotes into somehting that you believe makes you look right. All it has done is reinforce the common understanding of your posting style.
Pretty much.
And to make matters worse the whole 'I am ignoring it' statement further proves that. Must be nice to completely ignore things when you've been proven wrong. Glad he finally fessed up to doing this though.
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Were the thread, "Who has a better overall record, Phx or Jersey?", you would have a shred of credibility and make an iota of sense.
However it's about the Atlantic vs the Pacific,
Well, the title says Eastern Division won-loss records and the opening post was a recap of the Eastern conference standings. It was only after you (Reality) twisted the thread to try to prove something to WOW & koast that it became something different. And even then it never became "Atlantic vs Pacific"...that was just a small part of it.
The thread is mostly about how you will totally ignore facts and twist "PARTIAL" quotes into somehting that you believe makes you look right. All it has done is reinforce the common understanding of your posting style.
Lame attempt!
You've become a fullon twisty cousin. :D
Yes, threads here always follow what the OP is. ;)
btw the 2nd post, made by WoW, went like this:
Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner! Boston is the biggest wuss in the wussiest division in the NBA!!! I guess Boston has the distinction of the most over rated record in NBA history! Roll Eyes
That opened it up for discussion of team vs team and ATL vs Pacific.
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Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner! Boston is the biggest wuss in the wussiest division in the NBA!!! I guess Boston has the distinction of the most over rated record in NBA history! ::)
Ever heard of the Philly 76ers? And a guy named Iggy?
Realowned.
rtHave you taken a look at the Laker's division lately? At least the Atlantic division has a winning record!
WeakoutWest response: Wow, I thought only Spurs fans could be that clueless.
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Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner! Boston is the biggest wuss in the wussiest division in the NBA!!! I guess Boston has the distinction of the most over rated record in NBA history! ::)
Ever heard of the Philly 76ers? And a guy named Iggy?
Realowned.
rtHave you taken a look at the Laker's division lately? At least the Atlantic division has a winning record!
WeakoutWest response: Wow, I thought only Spurs fans could be that clueless.
You had to wait two and a half months before responding? That's just sad.
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You didn't notice the change when the Sixers went from Mo Cheeks to Dileo.
That's just sad. :D
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You had to wait two and a half months before responding? That's just sad.
How long do you wait for a baby seal to stick its head out from the hole you make in the ice? It's the same principle, you wait for a while for him stick his head out then you smash it in an instant. I wouldn't call that sad, I would call it necessary.
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You didn't notice the change when the Sixers went from Mo Cheeks to Dileo.
That's just sad. :D
Dileo was there at the time the time the message was originally posted. And as I remember, it was New Jersey's jock that you were riding back then.
Besides, Philly has been over .500 4 different times since the message you replied to.
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That translates to three relevant teams: Lakers, Celtics, Suns - and JUNK.
Sure Jersey flamed out. But Philly is every bit as much a contender, or every but as must JUNK as your choice of Phoenix.
W.O.W.spouts repeated that the East had no one over .500 So what if Philly has been up and down. They are way better with DiLeo.
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W.O.W.spouts repeated that the East had no one over .500
Man you are dumb, I never said that! OWNED!
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W.O.W.spouts repeated that the East had no one over .500
Joe and I are unaccountable for our Phoenix spouting and Atlantic bashing, and my butt hurts. Please come massage it westkoast.
W.O.W quotes:
Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner!
What happened to the Faglantic division minus the Celtics? You know the conference with ZERO teams over .500 when you take out the Celtics? You know, the WEAKEST division in the NBA, the TRUE patsies of the NBA.
Still only ONE team over .500 in the Atlantic!
I better skirt off now or attempt to change the subject.
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We're not a contender.
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We're not a contender.
Nor is Phoenix.
But Philly is over .500 ;)
btw what is Philly record with DiLeo?
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You have access to nba schedules, go figure it out.
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I think you have it at the top of your head.
But....I'll look it up. Will you tell me when did DiLeo started?
btw i sure wish Philly would have beat Phoenix Thurs night to overtake them in record.
I think you know what would have resulted. :D ;)
And may still result. ;D
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25-19 .568 Tony DiLeo Sixers
6-8 .429 Alvin Gentry
37-31 .544 Phoenix
In related news, the Pacific Patsy Division Sacramento Kings beat the Atlantics New York Knicks on Friday.
It was the Kings 1st win over an Eastern Conf team after 28 straight losses.
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W.O.W.spouts repeated that the East had no one over .500
Joe and I are unaccountable for our Phoenix spouting and Atlantic bashing, and my butt hurts. Please come massage it westkoast.
W.O.W quotes:
Boston is in a division where they are the ONLY team above .500? We have a winner!
What happened to the Faglantic division minus the Celtics? You know the conference with ZERO teams over .500 when you take out the Celtics? You know, the WEAKEST division in the NBA, the TRUE patsies of the NBA.
Still only ONE team over .500 in the Atlantic!
I better skirt off now or attempt to change the subject.
Division is NOT the same as the conference. Wasn't the subject the Pacific vs Atlantic? Or are you trying to skirt? The argument has been who is in the weakest division, not conference. I'm bored with you.
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My butt hurts and i want to bail.
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If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
Philadelphia - another team gaining benefit from cannibalizing.
We now get to the worst of the worst - Golden State and Sacramento. If there's a break between Phoenix and New Jersey, there's also a break between the Clippers and Golden State.
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Can you give us the updated head to head and Pacific vs Atlantic?
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If you believe the best indicator is how well these teams do HEAD TO HEAD, the standings break down as:
Los Angeles 12 1 .923 -
Boston 8 3 .727 3
New Jersey 7 5 .583 4.5
Phoenix 4 3 .571 5
Philadelphia 6 5 .545 5
New York 4 5 .444 6
Toronto 5 7 .417 6.5
Gold. St. 4 6 .400 6.5
Sac. 4 9 .308 8
LAC 0 10 .000 10.5
Philadelphia - another team gaining benefit from cannibalizing.
We now get to the worst of the worst - Golden State and Sacramento. If there's a break between Phoenix and New Jersey, there's also a break between the Clippers and Golden State.
So - AGAIN - you come back to three teams - Boston, LA Lakers, and Phoenix. The "success" of the rest of the Atlantic/Pacific teams comes from cannibalizing the rest of the division. NJ, NY, Phil, and Tor are better than GS, LAC, and Sac - and GS and Sac are in a lower class than the rest of the group. So it gets back to the question - is two relevant teams, one irrelevant team, and two hopeless teams a better division than one relevant team, and four irrelevant teams? And again, my answer is YES.
I have to give the nod to the Pacific as being the better division.
Can you give us the updated head to head and Pacific vs Atlantic?
vs Atl vs Pac Total
Los Angeles 8-1 12-2 20-3
Boston 13-1 5-4 18-5
Phoenix 5-5 9-4 14-9
Philadelphia 6-7 6-3 12-10
New Jersey 7-6 4-5 11-11
Golden St 6-4 4-9 10-13
Toronto 4-9 4-5 8-14
New York 3-10 3-6 6-16
Sac. 1-8* 6-4 7-12
LAC 3-4 1-13 4-17
* - Sacramento's ONLY eastern conf win.
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Atlantic Div. vs. WC: 67-74 .475
Pacific Div. vs. EC: 54-90 .375
It's not even close. The Pacific is the most pathetic conference in the League this season.
In addition:
EC vs. WC: 219-203 .518
The Eastern Conference is better in head-to-head competition so far. There are still some games to be played which may change this, and home-court advantage can make a difference.
The Sixers are 2nd in their division and are comparable to the Suns who are 2nd in the Pacific. Neither is a contender this season, but Phila. has a better chance. Phoenix will most likely miss the playoffs.
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Atlantic Div. vs. WC: 67-74 .475
Pacific Div. vs. EC: 54-90 .375
It's not even close. The Pacific is the most pathetic conference in the League this season.
In addition:
EC vs. WC: 219-203 .518
The Eastern Conference is better in head-to-head competition so far. There are still some games to be played which may change this, and home-court advantage can make a difference.
The Sixers are 2nd in their division and are comparable to the Suns who are 2nd in the Pacific. Neither is a contender this season, but Phila. has a better chance. Phoenix will most likely miss the playoffs.
Rick what are the east vs west records if you remove Bost, Cleve & Orlando? 155-183 or a .458 record. So without the top 3 the eastern is not better than the west despite the west having 5 sub-300 teams to the east's one. After the top 3 the East is weaker than the west. Atlanta would be struggling to get into the playoffs in the west and the east's 5-8 seeds would be in the lottery.
Of course Philly has a better chance than the Suns...BECAUSE THEY PLAY IN A WEAKER CONFERENCE!
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How is the East weaker? Cleveland, Boston and Orlando are in the East, and the East has a better conference record.
Your conclusions about the relative strength of the rest of the playoff teams is a complete fantasy, and is not borne out by the facts.
The West has a higher proportion of very bad teams, and that artificially inflates the records of the .500 or better clubs. Conversely, because the East has 3 very good teams it artificially depresses the records of the rest of the EC teams.
If you look at the records of the EC playoff teams all except one have a winning record against the West.
Since the out of conference match-ups are 2 games, it's not a whole lot to go on. Other factors, like whether the game was played on a back to back can skew what little information there is.
Phila. won both their games against Portland including one in their building on a the 2nd game of a back to back. They got a split with LA. They're clearly competitive with playoff teams out West.
The fact is that Houston and San Antonio aren't as good as Boston and Orlando and the East is the better conference.
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How is the East weaker? Cleveland, Boston and Orlando are in the East, and the East has a better conference record.
Your conclusions about the relative strength of the rest of the playoff teams is a complete fantasy, and is not borne out by the facts.
The West has a higher proportion of very bad teams, and that artificially inflates the records of the .500 or better clubs. Conversely, because the East has 3 very good teams it artificially depresses the records of the rest of the EC teams.
If you look at the records of the EC playoff teams all except one have a winning record against the West.
Since the out of conference match-ups are 2 games, it's not a whole lot to go on. Other factors, like whether the game was played on a back to back can skew what little information there is.
Phila. won both their games against Portland including one in their building on a the 2nd game of a back to back. They got a split with LA. They're clearly competitive with playoff teams out West.
The fact is that Houston and San Antonio aren't as good as Boston and Orlando and the East is the better conference.
Do you really want to break it down?
You make the comment about back to backs and travel, etc. Then don't take those into account when evaluating Philly's record.
Your argument is that the east is stronger based on interdivision play. I showed that removing the east's "big 3" shows that the east has a losing record vs the west. Now you are saying that it isn't proof of who is the superior conference.
And the fact that the 2nd & 3rd teams in the east are better than the 2nd & 3rd in the west doesn't suppoort your point of view. Especially when teams 4-9 in the west are better than the 4-9 teams in the east.
Who is better (who would you rather play just twice vs 4 times)?
Atl or NO
Miami or Denver
Philly or Utah
Detroit or Portland
Chicago or Dallas
Charlotte or Phoenix
Another way of judging a team's strength is home/road +/-. Compare a teams road wins less their home losses. The top 9 teams in the west have positive results in this measurement. The east has just 6 teams. And only the "big 3" would rank above the 8th seed in the west.
You can look at just about any measurement rick...and except for the big 3 the east is weaker than the west.
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But the point is, You can't take the top three teams out of the East and then make a comparison. That is STUPID argument and means NOTHING! If you took the top three teams out of the West the numbers would look the same = meaningless.
The difference between the records is explained by the specifics of each conference, so the Eastern teams are every bit as good as the Western ones, and are in fact better cumulatively.
The Sixers would likely have a better record if they were in the West, playing teams like Sacramento and Oklahoma 4 or 5 times, and would be about the 6th or 7th seed. The same argument can be made for every EC playoff team with the exception of Detroit.
Even if you go beyond the schedule and look at things like point differential and pace and shooting percentage, EC teams are competitive with the West.
The East is the better conference, both record wise and statistically. The top three teams of the East are the elite of the NBA along with one team from the West. It would be very surprising if any team other than those 4 wins the championship this season.
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But the point is, You can't take the top three teams out of the East and then make a comparison. That is STUPID argument and means NOTHING! If you took the top three teams out of the West the numbers would look the same = meaningless.
The difference between the records is explained by the specifics of each conference, so the Eastern teams are every bit as good as the Western ones, and are in fact better cumulatively.
The Sixers would likely have a better record if they were in the West, playing teams like Sacramento and Oklahoma 4 or 5 times, and would be about the 6th or 7th seed. The same argument can be made for every EC playoff team with the exception of Detroit.
Even if you go beyond the schedule and look at things like point differential and pace and shooting percentage, EC teams are competitive with the West.
The East is the better conference, both record wise and statistically. The top three teams of the East are the elite of the NBA along with one team from the West. It would be very surprising if any team other than those 4 wins the championship this season.
No you are wrong. And here is an example.
Atlanta looks good with a 16-11 record against the west. Until you break it down. They lost their only game to the Lakers so far. They are 7-8 against the next 8 teams in the west. They can't play .500 ball against the playoff teams in the west.
We could look at your beloved Sixers the same way. They are 15-14 against the west and split with the Lakers. They are 6-10 against the 2-9 seeded teams in the west. And 8-3 against the bottom 6 teams...and 6 of those wins were against the 3 worse teams in the west (sac, clips, memphis).
So the 4th and 6th seeds in the east cannot play .500 ball vs the top 9 teams in the west. Should we continue to analyze how the playoff teams in the east fare against the west? Once you get past the east's big 3 the other teams cannot hang with the west's playoff teams.
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But the point is, You can't take the top three teams out of the East and then make a comparison. That is STUPID argument and means NOTHING! If you took the top three teams out of the West the numbers would look the same = meaningless.
The difference between the records is explained by the specifics of each conference, so the Eastern teams are every bit as good as the Western ones, and are in fact better cumulatively.
The Sixers would likely have a better record if they were in the West, playing teams like Sacramento and Oklahoma 4 or 5 times, and would be about the 6th or 7th seed. The same argument can be made for every EC playoff team with the exception of Detroit.
Even if you go beyond the schedule and look at things like point differential and pace and shooting percentage, EC teams are competitive with the West.
The East is the better conference, both record wise and statistically. The top three teams of the East are the elite of the NBA along with one team from the West. It would be very surprising if any team other than those 4 wins the championship this season.
No you are wrong. And here is an example.
Atlanta looks good with a 16-11 record against the west. Until you break it down. They lost their only game to the Lakers so far. They are 7-8 against the next 8 teams in the west. They can't play .500 ball against the playoff teams in the west.
We could look at your beloved Sixers the same way. They are 15-14 against the west and split with the Lakers. They are 6-10 against the 2-9 seeded teams in the west. And 8-3 against the bottom 6 teams...and 6 of those wins were against the 3 worse teams in the west (sac, clips, memphis).
So the 4th and 6th seeds in the east cannot play .500 ball vs the top 9 teams in the west. Should we continue to analyze how the playoff teams in the east fare against the west? Once you get past the east's big 3 the other teams cannot hang with the west's playoff teams.
Even the conclusions from your example are wrong. Atlanta has been on a West Coast swing this month and has defeated the Hornets, the Jazz (Indiana), Portland, Sacramento, Dallas and Minnesota. They play the Spurs tonight and then Boston and the Lakers before playing Phila. (Tough schedule!) Clearly they are competitive with WC playoff teams.
As far as I can remember the Sixers have a split with all the WC playoff teams with the exception of Dallas and maybe Utah. Besides, a young team that is improving through the season like the Hawks and Sixers are, are teams where you should look at the 2nd half of the season to see what their level of play is now, as it is significantly different from the begging of the season.
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vs Atl vs Pac Total
Los Angeles 8-1 12-2 20-3
Boston 13-1 5-4 18-5
Phoenix 5-5 9-4 14-9
Philadelphia 6-7 6-3 12-10
New Jersey 7-6 4-5 11-11
Golden St 6-4 4-9 10-13
Toronto 4-9 4-5 8-14
New York 3-10 3-6 6-16
Sac. 1-8* 6-4 7-12
LAC 3-4 1-13 4-17
* - Sacramento's ONLY eastern conf win.
Using Lurks updated head to head stats:
5-4 Boston
6-3 Philly
4-5 Jersey
4-5 Toronto
3-6 NY
22-23 Atlantic vs Pacific
8-1 LAL
5-5 Phx
6-4 G.S.
3-4 Clips
1-8 Kings
23-22 Pac vs Atl
Virtual tie head to head at this point.
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Even the conclusions from your example are wrong. Atlanta has been on a West Coast swing this month and has defeated the Hornets, the Jazz (Indiana), Portland, Sacramento, Dallas and Minnesota. They play the Spurs tonight and then Boston and the Lakers before playing Phila. (Tough schedule!) Clearly they are competitive with WC playoff teams.
As far as I can remember the Sixers have a split with all the WC playoff teams with the exception of Dallas and maybe Utah. Besides, a young team that is improving through the season like the Hawks and Sixers are, are teams where you should look at the 2nd half of the season to see what their level of play is now, as it is significantly different from the begging of the season.
The Hawks struggle to play .500 ball against the western playoff teams. In case you can't read the standings .500 ball does not make the playoffs in the west. If the Hawks had to play Dallas, NO, Utah, Portland 4 times instead of NY, NJ, Chicago or Detroit then they would not have as good a record as they do.
The Sixers play under .400 against the western playoff teams. How can you say they are competitive?
Even the Celtics record is deceiving. They are 20-9 vs the west. They are 0-2 vs the Lakers. They are 7-5 vs the 2-7 seeds. So against the top 7 teams in the west the Celtics play .500 ball. The Celtics have built up their record by beating up on the WEAKER eastern conference.
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Even the conclusions from your example are wrong. Atlanta has been on a West Coast swing this month and has defeated the Hornets, the Jazz (Indiana), Portland, Sacramento, Dallas and Minnesota. They play the Spurs tonight and then Boston and the Lakers before playing Phila. (Tough schedule!) Clearly they are competitive with WC playoff teams.
As far as I can remember the Sixers have a split with all the WC playoff teams with the exception of Dallas and maybe Utah. Besides, a young team that is improving through the season like the Hawks and Sixers are, are teams where you should look at the 2nd half of the season to see what their level of play is now, as it is significantly different from the begging of the season.
The Hawks struggle to play .500 ball against the western playoff teams. In case you can't read the standings .500 ball does not make the playoffs in the west. If the Hawks had to play Dallas, NO, Utah, Portland 4 times instead of NY, NJ, Chicago or Detroit then they would not have as good a record as they do.
The Sixers play under .400 against the western playoff teams. How can you say they are competitive?
Even the Celtics record is deceiving. They are 20-9 vs the west. They are 0-2 vs the Lakers. They are 7-5 vs the 2-7 seeds. So against the top 7 teams in the west the Celtics play .500 ball. The Celtics have built up their record by beating up on the WEAKER eastern conference.
So what. The East still has the overall better record so handpicking ATL or (Boston vs certain opponents, who oh btw just punked the PoppyFinSpurs and Houston on the road). Lets see how the Pacific Patsies do vs the East playoff teams.
rt Atlantic Div. vs. WC: 67-74 .475
Pacific Div. vs. EC: 54-90 .375
It's not even close. The Pacific is the most pathetic conference in the League this season.
In addition:
EC vs. WC: 219-203 .518
The Eastern Conference is better in head-to-head competition so far. There are still some games to be played which may change this, and home-court advantage can make a difference.
The Sixers are 2nd in their division and are comparable to the Suns who are 2nd in the Pacific. Neither is a contender this season, but Phila. has a better chance. Phoenix will most likely miss the playoffs.
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Even the conclusions from your example are wrong. Atlanta has been on a West Coast swing this month and has defeated the Hornets, the Jazz (Indiana), Portland, Sacramento, Dallas and Minnesota. They play the Spurs tonight and then Boston and the Lakers before playing Phila. (Tough schedule!) Clearly they are competitive with WC playoff teams.
As far as I can remember the Sixers have a split with all the WC playoff teams with the exception of Dallas and maybe Utah. Besides, a young team that is improving through the season like the Hawks and Sixers are, are teams where you should look at the 2nd half of the season to see what their level of play is now, as it is significantly different from the begging of the season.
The Hawks struggle to play .500 ball against the western playoff teams. In case you can't read the standings .500 ball does not make the playoffs in the west. If the Hawks had to play Dallas, NO, Utah, Portland 4 times instead of NY, NJ, Chicago or Detroit then they would not have as good a record as they do.
The Sixers play under .400 against the western playoff teams. How can you say they are competitive?
Even the Celtics record is deceiving. They are 20-9 vs the west. They are 0-2 vs the Lakers. They are 7-5 vs the 2-7 seeds. So against the top 7 teams in the west the Celtics play .500 ball. The Celtics have built up their record by beating up on the WEAKER eastern conference.
So what. The East still has the overall better record so handpicking ATL or (Boston vs certain opponents, who oh btw just punked the PoppyFinSpurs and Houston on the road). Lets see how the Pacific Patsies do vs the East playoff teams.
So what? It figures you wouldn't understand basic math. Boston plays .500 ball against the top 7 teams in the west. So that little 2 game run vs Spurs & Rockets pushes Boston all the up to .500 ball against the west top 7. VERY IMPRESSIVE! NOT!
That means that thier "great" record is from beating up on the patsies in their own conference. If Boston had to play Houston or New Orleans type of schedule then they would not be as "elite" as everyone wants to make them. They would be right in the middle of the western conference pack...right where SA, Houston, NO, Utah, Denver and Portland are. Make them play each of those teams 4 times instead of Detroit, Philly, Miami, Chicago.
And then you want to focus on how 3 of the bottom teams in the west have done against eastern playoff teams. I focused on eastern PLAYOFF teams and showed that they were not successful against the western PLAYOFF teams. You know playoff teams vs playoff teams...apples to apples sort of thing.
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Even the conclusions from your example are wrong. Atlanta has been on a West Coast swing this month and has defeated the Hornets, the Jazz (Indiana), Portland, Sacramento, Dallas and Minnesota. They play the Spurs tonight and then Boston and the Lakers before playing Phila. (Tough schedule!) Clearly they are competitive with WC playoff teams.
As far as I can remember the Sixers have a split with all the WC playoff teams with the exception of Dallas and maybe Utah. Besides, a young team that is improving through the season like the Hawks and Sixers are, are teams where you should look at the 2nd half of the season to see what their level of play is now, as it is significantly different from the begging of the season.
The Hawks struggle to play .500 ball against the western playoff teams. In case you can't read the standings .500 ball does not make the playoffs in the west. If the Hawks had to play Dallas, NO, Utah, Portland 4 times instead of NY, NJ, Chicago or Detroit then they would not have as good a record as they do.
The Sixers play under .400 against the western playoff teams. How can you say they are competitive?
Even the Celtics record is deceiving. They are 20-9 vs the west. They are 0-2 vs the Lakers. They are 7-5 vs the 2-7 seeds. So against the top 7 teams in the west the Celtics play .500 ball. The Celtics have built up their record by beating up on the WEAKER eastern conference.
So what. The East still has the overall better record so handpicking ATL or (Boston vs certain opponents, who oh btw just punked the PoppyFinSpurs and Houston on the road). Lets see how the Pacific Patsies do vs the East playoff teams.
So what? It figures you wouldn't understand basic math. Boston plays .500 ball against the top 7 teams in the west. So that little 2 game run vs Spurs & Rockets pushes Boston all the up to .500 ball against the west top 7. VERY IMPRESSIVE! NOT!
That means that thier "great" record is from beating up on the patsies in their own conference. If Boston had to play Houston or New Orleans type of schedule then they would not be as "elite" as everyone wants to make them. They would be right in the middle of the western conference pack...right where SA, Houston, NO, Utah, Denver and Portland are. Make them play each of those teams 4 times instead of Detroit, Philly, Miami, Chicago.
And then you want to focus on how 3 of the bottom teams in the west have done against eastern playoff teams. I focused on eastern PLAYOFF teams and showed that they were not successful against the western PLAYOFF teams. You know playoff teams vs playoff teams...apples to apples sort of thing.
Run the math for all the playoff teams and show a head to head East vs West (be sure to include the Pacific Patsies vs Atlantic) and I'll believe you. Looks like you're just handpicking now.
Cleveland, Boston (and LA for that matter) all just got thru punking the SouthWest.
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Run the math for all the playoff teams and show a head to head East vs West (be sure to include the Pacific Patsies vs Atlantic) and I'll believe you. Looks like you're just handpicking now.
Cleveland, Boston (and LA for that matter) all just got thru punking the SouthWest.
Run your own frickkin' math problems. Especially if you think my results are wrong or inconclusive. I have shown that 3 of the 8 eastern playoff teams have .500 or lower records against the west playoff teams...not really sure how that is "handpicking". I didn't pick Cleve or Orlando which I will concede have winning records against the western playoff teams. Detroit has a losing record against the whole west.
So 4 of the 8 eastern playoff teams struggle to play .500 ball against the west. And I concede that 2 eastern teams have winning records. Only Miami & Chicago to look at...do you really think either of those teams is over .500 vs the west playoff teams? And these are the teams from the "better" conference?
BTW if the eastern playoff teams have a losing record against the west playoff teams then it follows that the west has playoff teams with winning records against the east. Simple elementary school math. Basic logic. Sorry to hit you with two of your weakest areas at once.
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rt was showing the East was the better conference, top to bottom then the West.
You didn't prove squat.
Are the playoff (top 8) West combined records better then the top 8 East combined? Of course. You think you're so smart for *figuring that out*?
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You don't need to look up anything. If the East playoff teams are only .500 against the top teams in the West, you know that Lurkers' vaunted teams are only .500 against the East playoff teams, meaning they are even.
Lurker is simply misinterpreting records and ignoring the obvious group of extremely weak teams with low win totals in the Western Conference. He thinks because the Western playoff teams are better than their Eastern counterparts because they have better records. I've tried to explain it to him, but it appears beyond his comprehension to acknowledge how having three teams with fewer than 20 wins would inflate the win totals of the other teams in the conference by 7 or 8 games in comparison with the other conference where only 1 team has fewer than 20 wins.
It seems fairly obvious to me that the East and Western conferences are fairly equal and the only difference is that there are more bad teams in the West which each team gets to play 4 times. The Eastern teams beat them too, which explains the East's slight advantage in interconference competition.
Atlanta is every but as good as the WC's 4th seed. They'll probably beat the Spurs tonight.
Most if not all of the EC playoff teams would be in the same seed positions if they were in the Western conference. And if the Western playoff teams were in the East, they would have lower win totals, but be in the playoffs in similar seedings.
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You don't need to look up anything. If the East playoff teams are only .500 against the top teams in the West, you know that Lurkers' vaunted teams are only .500 against the East playoff teams, meaning they are even.
Lurker is simply misinterpreting records and ignoring the obvious group of extremely weak teams with low win totals in the Western Conference. He thinks because the Western playoff teams are better than their Eastern counterparts because they have better records. I've tried to explain it to him, but it appears beyond his comprehension to acknowledge how having three teams with fewer than 20 wins would inflate the win totals of the other teams in the conference by 7 or 8 games in comparison with the other conference where only 1 team has fewer than 20 wins.
It seems fairly obvious to me that the East and Western conferences are fairly equal and the only difference is that there are more bad teams in the West which each team gets to play 4 times. The Eastern teams beat them too, which explains the East's slight advantage in interconference competition.
Atlanta is every but as good as the WC's 4th seed. They'll probably beat the Spurs tonight.
Most if not all of the EC playoff teams would be in the same seed positions if they were in the Western conference. And if the Western playoff teams were in the East, they would have lower win totals, but be in the playoffs in similar seedings.
Maybe the west's "bad" teams are that way because they have to play a better set of teams 1-9 in their conference 4 times each. It is easy for NY, Tor, NJ etc to look better than Minn, GS and OKC because the eastern teams get 3 tough teams while the western teams have to play 9 tough teams.
This deep into the season the west has 8 teams with .600+ winning % and the east 3. If the 4-9 seeds were so tough in the east then why are only two above .500?
Atlanta is every but as good as the WC's 4th seed. They'll probably beat the Spurs tonight.
And how did that work out? Atl at home, no Duncan and the Spurs win by 10.
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Are you really that dense? I've explained the disparity in records and winning percentages by the West as a function of the weakness of a greater number of teams in the conference, yet you still insist on comparing their records as apples to apples instead of apples to oranges.
It is harder to win in the East since there are three excellent teams and only one lousy one. It is easier to win in the West since there is only 1 excellent team and three awful ones. It's a simple as that and it's very basic analysis.
I don't understand why you can't see something that is so obvious.
Also it is important to point out that teams are usually more focused on their division and conference rivals. It's only natural, how much time should the coaching staff prepare for games against team's you see twice in a season, vs. 4 times.
Add into that the fact that you see other conference teams in a series of games where you've played one or two games with no rest in between. On the road with all the traveling, when do you have time to practice, or prepare to play a specific team? You can bet that the Sixers would play the Golden State Warriors a lot better if they had to face them 4 times in a season, then they would make time to prepare and consider all the matchups.
Therefore, you can argue that all the interconference records are skewed or tainted to a certain degree- you aren't seeing the out of conference visiting team playing it's best basketball in many cases.
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EC vs. WC: 219-203 .518
Yet Lurker still claims the West is better. :D :D :D
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Are you really that dense? I've explained the disparity in records and winning percentages by the West as a function of the weakness of a greater number of teams in the conference, yet you still insist on comparing their records as apples to apples instead of apples to oranges.
I thought looking at common opponents a much more apple to apple than trying to use unbalanced schedules that includes "the weakness of a greater number of teams in the conference". But if you insist on that path we can explore it. Are those teams in the westr "worse" because they have to play 9 teams with .600 winning % 4 times each instead of playing only 3 teams with that level of winning?
Do you not understand that for 9 teams in the west to win 60+% of their games that they have to be beating up on weaker teams in the other conference also? If the east were really stronger than the top 2-3 teams then wouldn't more of them have .600 records or better? They should because then they should be beating the middle teams in the west and they are not.
It is harder to win in the East since there are three excellent teams and only one lousy one. It is easier to win in the West since there is only 1 excellent team and three awful ones. It's a simple as that and it's very basic analysis.
I don't understand why you can't see something that is so obvious.
Is it really that simple rick? You are only looking at the top and bottom of the standings. So what about the other 11 teams in each conference?
Is it easier for Boston to beat Chicago 3 of 4 games than it is for Houston to beat Dallas 3 of 4? Is Charlotte or Phoenix the tougher game - which would you have the Sixers play 4 times and which one twice?
Also it is important to point out that teams are usually more focused on their division and conference rivals. It's only natural, how much time should the coaching staff prepare for games against team's you see twice in a season, vs. 4 times.
Right. And which teams are harder to prepare for:
East: Atlanta, Miami, Philly, Detroit, Chicago, Charlotte
West: Denver, NO, Utah, Portland, Dallas, Phoenix
So which group of 6 would you rather see 20 times vs 10?
Add into that the fact that you see other conference teams in a series of games where you've played one or two games with no rest in between. On the road with all the traveling, when do you have time to practice, or prepare to play a specific team? You can bet that the Sixers would play the Golden State Warriors a lot better if they had to face them 4 times in a season, then they would make time to prepare and consider all the matchups.
Therefore, you can argue that all the interconference records are skewed or tainted to a certain degree- you aren't seeing the out of conference visiting team playing it's best basketball in many cases.
After 70 games this stuff is all BS to cloud the issue. All teams have gone through this. So I could now argue...based on your reasoning...that the reason the west has a worse conference record is because they have to focus more energy on playing tougher conference foes and don't put forth their best effort against the east.
Give me proof that the Sixers prepare more strongly for the Raptors or Knocks than they do for the Spurs or Lakers. Or at least come up with soemthing better than this weak crap.
You have explained jack!
I could argue in your same non-provable manor that the reason their are more teams below .400 in the west is because they have to play tougher teams more times. The lottery teams in the west have to play top 15 teams in the league more times in their 82 schedule than the eastern teams.
Just like it is your opinion that the Sixers would be much improved by playing GS twice more and saving 4 games against the top 4 teams. My opinion is that the Sixers also would be worse for facing Houston, Utah, Denver & NO 4 times each instead of Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago & Miami. And this is where you miss the point.
Look at those teams again: Is Bostons "great" record because they played .500 ball against the 4 western teams or because they played 9-3 against the eastern playoff teams. The reason I say the west is stronger is because in terms of playoff teams - the west has stronger teams than the east. And I have shown by using records against common opponents.
Your arguments have no support other than your say so.
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We could look at your beloved Sixers the same way. They are 15-14 against the west and split with the Lakers. They are 6-10 against the 2-9 seeded teams in the west. And 8-3 against the bottom 6 teams...and 6 of those wins were against the 3 worse teams in the west (sac, clips, memphis).
Very poor comparison. DiLeo Sixers are much better then the Mo Cheeks Sixers.
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We could look at your beloved Sixers the same way. They are 15-14 against the west and split with the Lakers. They are 6-10 against the 2-9 seeded teams in the west. And 8-3 against the bottom 6 teams...and 6 of those wins were against the 3 worse teams in the west (sac, clips, memphis).
Very poor comparison. DiLeo Sixers are much better then the Mo Cheeks Sixers.
So you seem to think...
DiLeo is 12-11 vs the west and Cheeks was 4-3.
DiLeo vs the top 9 west teams: 7-9 vs the bottom 6 5-2
Cheeks 0-2 4-1
Doesn't seem to matter who the coach is...
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DiLeo vs the top 9 west teams: 7-9 vs the bottom 6 5-2
Cheeks 0-2 4-1
Doesn't seem to matter who the coach is...
Mo was 0-2 vs the Wests top 9 and i predict the reeming would have continued.
DiLeo 7-9 vs top West, that's not too shabby considering he just took over and they had to go thru the Eltie Brand injury scenario.
In March the 6ers are 2-1 vs West Playoffers and 8-4 overall.
They be gellin.
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They be gellin.
Good thing they play in the WEAK east so they will make the playoffs. In the west they would be battling for 10th place.
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They be gellin.
Good thing they play in the WEAK east so they will make the playoffs. In the west they would be battling for 10th place.
Or they'd be fattening up their record with a steady diet of Clippers, Sactown, Golden State and thus possibly become a playoff team.
You just don't get it.
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They be gellin.
Good thing they play in the WEAK east so they will make the playoffs. In the west they would be battling for 10th place.
Or they'd be fattening up their record with a steady diet of Clippers, Sactown, Golden State and thus possibly become a playoff team.
You just don't get it.
Well, seeing that they are 1-1 vs GS, OKC and Minnesota I fail to see them "fattening" their records considerably. Then we could talk about the "slimming" of their record against SA, Hous, NO, Den, Utah, Port, etc.
But we could take another approach. Right now the Sixers are 16-14 (.533) vs the west and 21-19 (.525) vs the east. So using those winning % they would end up winning 28 (52*.533) conference games and 16 (30*.525) non-conference games. That is a total of 44 games. Not a playoff team in the west.
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Or we could take a look at Gregor Popavichs first 50 games with the Spurs.
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They be gellin.
Good thing they play in the WEAK east so they will make the playoffs. In the west they would be battling for 10th place.
Or they'd be fattening up their record with a steady diet of Clippers, Sactown, Golden State and thus possibly become a playoff team.
You just don't get it.
Well, seeing that they are 1-1 vs GS, OKC and Minnesota I fail to see them "fattening" their records considerably. Then we could talk about the "slimming" of their record against SA, Hous, NO, Den, Utah, Port, etc.
But we could take another approach. Right now the Sixers are 16-14 (.533) vs the west and 21-19 (.525) vs the east. So using those winning % they would end up winning 28 (52*.533) conference games and 16 (30*.525) non-conference games. That is a total of 44 games. Not a playoff team in the west.
Except that if the Sixers were out West they'd be focused on strategies to beat the teams out there. You can bet they wouldn't be dropping games to Golden State if they were in the same conference. No one worries about scouting these teams when they play them twice a season.
Besides. You still don't get how much weaker the bottom of the West is. Try going to ESPN and looking up the odds for teams to make the playoffs or win the lottery. You will find that there are 6 teams in the West with a better than 2.5% chance of finishing with the worst record in the league. In the East there is ONE!
The West is the weaker conference, repeat after me, the West is the weaker conference.....
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They be gellin.
Good thing they play in the WEAK east so they will make the playoffs. In the west they would be battling for 10th place.
Or they'd be fattening up their record with a steady diet of Clippers, Sactown, Golden State and thus possibly become a playoff team.
You just don't get it.
Well, seeing that they are 1-1 vs GS, OKC and Minnesota I fail to see them "fattening" their records considerably. Then we could talk about the "slimming" of their record against SA, Hous, NO, Den, Utah, Port, etc.
But we could take another approach. Right now the Sixers are 16-14 (.533) vs the west and 21-19 (.525) vs the east. So using those winning % they would end up winning 28 (52*.533) conference games and 16 (30*.525) non-conference games. That is a total of 44 games. Not a playoff team in the west.
Except that if the Sixers were out West they'd be focused on strategies to beat the teams out there. You can bet they wouldn't be dropping games to Golden State if they were in the same conference. No one worries about scouting these teams when they play them twice a season.
Besides. You still don't get how much weaker the bottom of the West is. Try going to ESPN and looking up the odds for teams to make the playoffs or win the lottery. You will find that there are 6 teams in the West with a better than 2.5% chance of finishing with the worst record in the league. In the East there is ONE!
The West is the weaker conference, repeat after me, the West is the weaker conference.....
That's is what you don't understand. They have lower records because they get to play teams with .600 records 4 times each instead of a bunch of sub .500 teams that can't play consistent enough to win half their games. If the east is so strong why does it have to playoff teams with losing records? If the east was so strong then why do they have only 3 teams with 10+% chance of making the finals and the west has 5 (if you want to use the odds table as proof)?
Do you honestly believe a Cle/Atl/Philly/Det bracket is tougher than a LA/Den/NO/Dallas one?
Or that Orl/Bos/Miami/Chi is tougher than SA/Hous/Port/Utah?
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Do you honestly believe a Cle/Atl/Philly/Det bracket is tougher than a LA/Den/NO/Dallas one?
No. But i believe its much closer then you do. The Wests playoff teams combined are better then the Easts, yes.
Or that Orl/Bos/Miami/Chi is tougher than SA/Hous/Port/Utah?
Not that much difference. Orl and Boston can hang with any of the aforementioned. Utah is tough but can't win on the road, at least not deep in the playoffs. Chi is much weaker then the others, yes.
Can SA overcome Popazit? Its getting harder and harder. Its conceivable Pop could get worked well before Phil has a chance to own him again.
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They be gellin.
Good thing they play in the WEAK east so they will make the playoffs. In the west they would be battling for 10th place.
Or they'd be fattening up their record with a steady diet of Clippers, Sactown, Golden State and thus possibly become a playoff team.
You just don't get it.
Well, seeing that they are 1-1 vs GS, OKC and Minnesota I fail to see them "fattening" their records considerably. Then we could talk about the "slimming" of their record against SA, Hous, NO, Den, Utah, Port, etc.
But we could take another approach. Right now the Sixers are 16-14 (.533) vs the west and 21-19 (.525) vs the east. So using those winning % they would end up winning 28 (52*.533) conference games and 16 (30*.525) non-conference games. That is a total of 44 games. Not a playoff team in the west.
Except that if the Sixers were out West they'd be focused on strategies to beat the teams out there. You can bet they wouldn't be dropping games to Golden State if they were in the same conference. No one worries about scouting these teams when they play them twice a season.
Besides. You still don't get how much weaker the bottom of the West is. Try going to ESPN and looking up the odds for teams to make the playoffs or win the lottery. You will find that there are 6 teams in the West with a better than 2.5% chance of finishing with the worst record in the league. In the East there is ONE!
The West is the weaker conference, repeat after me, the West is the weaker conference.....
That's is what you don't understand. They have lower records because they get to play teams with .600 records 4 times each instead of a bunch of sub .500 teams that can't play consistent enough to win half their games. If the east is so strong why does it have to playoff teams with losing records? If the east was so strong then why do they have only 3 teams with 10+% chance of making the finals and the west has 5 (if you want to use the odds table as proof)?
Do you honestly believe a Cle/Atl/Philly/Det bracket is tougher than a LA/Den/NO/Dallas one?
Or that Orl/Bos/Miami/Chi is tougher than SA/Hous/Port/Utah?
I think that with Orlando, Boston, Miami, Chicago is significantly better than SA, Houston, Portland and Utah. Boston and Orlando are elite teams with win totals over 50 with 10 games left. None of the WC teams in that bracket have 50 wins now or a chance at 60 by the end of the season.
With the other bracket, I think LA an Cleveland are a wash, 1 and 1A by their records. Atlanta, Phila., and Detroit are less well regarded, but these are teams in transition, and old Championship team in decline and two young teams who haven't proven anything. In both instances, the 1 and 1A are heavily favored.
So you are saying the West teams with the bad records are being beaten up on by good teams, and that explains their records. That's one explanation. The other one is that these teams really SUCK! It is abnormal for so many teams to be so far below the level of competition in a Conference, but it can happen. Washington is the worst team in the East, but they've had serious injury problems. They will get better long before any of these WC dregs rise from the bottom. Sacramento is a dysfunctional franchise now and so are the Clippers. Memphis and OKC are new franchises that have to start building and Minnesota is retooling from the Garnett trade. Does anyone really think Golden State is a good franchise? Even the Knicks are better!
If the East playoff teams aren't comparable with their Western Counterparts, how does Phila. beat LA and Portland in their own buildings? And that's the 5th seed in the East we're talking about here, just a middling team that no one takes seriously as a contender.
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Can SA overcome Popazit? Its getting harder and harder. Its conceivable Pop could get worked well before Phil has a chance to own him again.
Only box score reading fans would ask that type of question.
Or is your question really: Because the west is so much tougher than the east is there a chance the Spurs could lose in the first round?
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If the East playoff teams aren't comparable with their Western Counterparts, how does Phila. beat LA and Portland in their own buildings? And that's the 5th seed in the East we're talking about here, just a middling team that no one takes seriously as a contender.
Because as a non-conference matchup the Lakers & Blazers didn't focus on trying to beat Philly.
Sounds real intelligent now, doesn't it?
Or should I use the odds generator as my support...if Philly was so good then why is their chances of making the finals lower than the 9th seed in the west?
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Can SA overcome Popazit? Its getting harder and harder. Its conceivable Pop could get worked well before Phil has a chance to own him again.
Only box score reading fans would ask that type of question.
Or is your question really: Because the west is so much tougher than the east is there a chance the Spurs could lose in the first round?
Only a super intelligent Realist would ask that.
Keep drinking the Pop kool aid. 3 HOF starters and the dipstick hasn't repeated nor done better then 4 in 12.
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If the East playoff teams aren't comparable with their Western Counterparts, how does Phila. beat LA and Portland in their own buildings? And that's the 5th seed in the East we're talking about here, just a middling team that no one takes seriously as a contender.
Because as a non-conference matchup the Lakers & Blazers didn't focus on trying to beat Philly.
Sounds real intelligent now, doesn't it?
Or should I use the odds generator as my support...if Philly was so good then why is their chances of making the finals lower than the 9th seed in the west?
Because for Philly to get to the finals they would have to beat two of the three elite teams in the East to get there. The ninth seed, if it manages to get in, only has to beat one elite team.
And, I'd agree that the Lakers and Blazers didn't get up for Phila. they way they would Boston or an inter-divisional rival. If they are really that much better, however, they shouldn't loose to a middle of the road team from the weaker conference. The Lakers game you could excuse since it was very close and took a game-ending shot. The Portland game went to OT, but once they got there, Portland didn't look like they belonged, they don't know how to close out games like San Antonio. Portland is going to be early round fodder for some other team in the West IMO.
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If the East playoff teams aren't comparable with their Western Counterparts, how does Phila. beat LA and Portland in their own buildings? And that's the 5th seed in the East we're talking about here, just a middling team that no one takes seriously as a contender.
Because as a non-conference matchup the Lakers & Blazers didn't focus on trying to beat Philly.
Sounds real intelligent now, doesn't it?
Or should I use the odds generator as my support...if Philly was so good then why is their chances of making the finals lower than the 9th seed in the west?
Because for Philly to get to the finals they would have to beat two of the three elite teams in the East to get there. The ninth seed, if it manages to get in, only has to beat one elite team.
And, I'd agree that the Lakers and Blazers didn't get up for Phila. they way they would Boston or an inter-divisional rival. If they are really that much better, however, they shouldn't loose to a middle of the road team from the weaker conference. The Lakers game you could excuse since it was very close and took a game-ending shot. The Portland game went to OT, but once they got there, Portland didn't look like they belonged, they don't know how to close out games like San Antonio. Portland is going to be early round fodder for some other team in the West IMO.
And the only reason Atlanta won't be early round fodder is because there are only 3 legitimate teams in the east. So they get to play one of the other mediocre middle of the NBA teams that populate the east.
So in the east there are at most only 2 tough series for a team to get to the finals. And for Cleveland make that ONE tough series - in the ECF. However the Lakers will have to face 3 tough series (Dallas is tougher out than any of the lower seeds in the east) to get to the finals. But the east is stronger. ::)
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The Portland game went to OT, but once they got there, Portland didn't look like they belonged, they don't know how to close out games like San Antonio. Portland is going to be early round fodder for some other team in the West IMO.
OK Rick I get it, you are trolling for a reaction, so I will play along.
Portland vs the 8 EC playoff teams
9-7 56.3% winning %
In that all important points per game differential vs those 8 teams, in 16 games
Portland 97.7 PPG
Opponents 93.7 PPG
Differential vs the demonstrably superior 8 EC playoff teams ONLY (the leagues elite teams, RIGHT) +4.0
Philly versus the entire league, including the demonstrably weaker WC playoff teams, the demonstrably weaker WC non-playoff teams, the EC non playoff teams, and the Demonstrably superior EC playoff teams
Philly 97.5
Opponent 96.8
Differential 0.7
I got all those numbers right didn't I?
So Portland against the best of the best ONLY +4.0
Philly against everybody including the dregs of the WC, and the EC +0.70
Now my turn to troll for a reaction.
I wonder who will really be the playoff fodder?
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And the only reason Atlanta won't be early round fodder is because there are only 3 legitimate teams in the east. So they get to play one of the other mediocre middle of the NBA teams that populate the east.
So in the east there are at most only 2 tough series for a team to get to the finals. And for Cleveland make that ONE tough series - in the ECF. However the Lakers will have to face 3 tough series (Dallas is tougher out than any of the lower seeds in the east) to get to the finals. But the east is stronger. ::)
Give it up Lurker, one guy you are dealing with is not serious about discussing B-Ball and the other guy is a moron.
Boston is NOT an elite team because they lost to the Rockets, Jazz, Warriors, Hornets, and CLIPPERS. "If they are really that much better, however, they shouldn't loose to a middle of the road, and BOTTOM DWELLERS team from the weaker conference. "
I think only a MORON would come to "that" conclusion!
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Sixers might be creeping up on legit of Thad keeps playing the way he has been. He's averaging over 20 ppg over his last 17 games played.
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Sixers might be creeping up on legit of Thad keeps playing the way he has been. He's averaging over 20 ppg over his last 17 games played.
Dear Allah are you drinking the cool-aide? "might"? "MIGHT"? Jeeze Bods, why don't you tell us about how the Sixers would do better in the WC because they "might" prepare better for a conference foe? ::)
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Not legit as in title contender, mind you, but legit as in a legit playoff team.
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Not legit as in title contender, mind you, but legit as in a legit playoff team.
Maybe a "legit" playoff team in the WEAKER Eastern Conference. ::)
They'd miss the playoffs in the Western Conference no doubt.
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From ESPN weekend dime...
So ?
The only comparisons with the West which favor the East, entering the final 20 days of the regular season, are as follows:
1. The East is still clinging to a 220-206 record in head-to-head games against Western Conference opposition as of Friday morning, with 24 more interconference games to go, capped by Atlanta at Memphis on the last night (April 15) of the regular season. And holding on would indeed represent a newsworthy breakthrough, since the West has posted the better head-to-head record for each of the past nine seasons, with its smallest advantage coming in the 1999-2000 season when it was 34 games over .500 at 227-193, good for a winning percentage of .540.
2. The East has eight teams (Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Chicago and Charlotte) with records of .500 or better against the West this season, compared to just four teams (Boston, Detroit, Cleveland and Philadelphia) last season.
However ?
A closer inspection of those numbers suggests that this season's supposed revenge of the Leastern Conference is going to wind up looking marginal and circumstantial. The jump in quality at the top of the East is undeniable, with three of the four teams bound for 60 wins -- Cleveland, Orlando and Boston -- on that side of the conference divide. But it's still a conference where a few title-contending teams are asked to mask the mediocrity of 10 or so others, given that No. 1 and No. 2 above wouldn't have been possible without the unusually large amount of West pushovers behind No. 9 Phoenix.
Warriors, Thunder, Timberwolves, Clippers, Grizzlies and Kings. Those six teams are a combined 45-124 against the East. It's not like the West's top nine teams haven't fattened up with all those bottom-feeders around, either, but the huge drop-off from the Suns to the Sad Six -- combined with the gaudy interconference records posted by the Cavs (23-4), Magic (21-7) and Celts (20-9) -- explains how the East has finally halted its decade-long drought.
The good news? It would appear that the long-suffering East will not end up tying the unwanted league record for most sub-.500 playoff teams in a single season, barring an unforeseen collapse by Philadelphia or Miami. It will avoid the list as long as the Nos. 7 and 8 seeds -- Chicago and Detroit entering the weekend -- are the East's only playoff teams with losing records:
Most Sub-.500 Playoff Teams In A Single Conference (NBA history)
Season Conference
1996-97 West (Clippers, Wolves, Suns)
1991-92 East (Pacers, Nets, Heat)
1985-86 East (Nets, Bullets, Bulls)
1985-86 West (Blazers, Kings, Spurs)
1984-85 East (Bullets, Bulls, Cavaliers)
1966-67 West (Hawks, Lakers, Bulls)
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From ESPN weekend dime...
So ?
The only comparisons with the West which favor the East, entering the final 20 days of the regular season, are as follows:
1. The East is still clinging to a 220-206 record in head-to-head games against Western Conference opposition as of Friday morning, with 24 more interconference games to go, capped by Atlanta at Memphis on the last night (April 15) of the regular season. And holding on would indeed represent a newsworthy breakthrough, since the West has posted the better head-to-head record for each of the past nine seasons, with its smallest advantage coming in the 1999-2000 season when it was 34 games over .500 at 227-193, good for a winning percentage of .540.
2. The East has eight teams (Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Chicago and Charlotte) with records of .500 or better against the West this season, compared to just four teams (Boston, Detroit, Cleveland and Philadelphia) last season.
However ?
A closer inspection of those numbers suggests that this season's supposed revenge of the Leastern Conference is going to wind up looking marginal and circumstantial. The jump in quality at the top of the East is undeniable, with three of the four teams bound for 60 wins -- Cleveland, Orlando and Boston -- on that side of the conference divide. But it's still a conference where a few title-contending teams are asked to mask the mediocrity of 10 or so others, given that No. 1 and No. 2 above wouldn't have been possible without the unusually large amount of West pushovers behind No. 9 Phoenix.
Warriors, Thunder, Timberwolves, Clippers, Grizzlies and Kings. Those six teams are a combined 45-124 against the East. It's not like the West's top nine teams haven't fattened up with all those bottom-feeders around, either, but the huge drop-off from the Suns to the Sad Six -- combined with the gaudy interconference records posted by the Cavs (23-4), Magic (21-7) and Celts (20-9) -- explains how the East has finally halted its decade-long drought.
The good news? It would appear that the long-suffering East will not end up tying the unwanted league record for most sub-.500 playoff teams in a single season, barring an unforeseen collapse by Philadelphia or Miami. It will avoid the list as long as the Nos. 7 and 8 seeds -- Chicago and Detroit entering the weekend -- are the East's only playoff teams with losing records:
Most Sub-.500 Playoff Teams In A Single Conference (NBA history)
Season Conference
1996-97 West (Clippers, Wolves, Suns)
1991-92 East (Pacers, Nets, Heat)
1985-86 East (Nets, Bullets, Bulls)
1985-86 West (Blazers, Kings, Spurs)
1984-85 East (Bullets, Bulls, Cavaliers)
1966-67 West (Hawks, Lakers, Bulls)
Are you trying to use this to support your stance?
:D :D
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Are you trying to use this to support your stance?
:D :D
And it does for anyone who can comprehend the written word beyond the "See Jane Run" level.
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Rick if you want to get the final EC vs WC stats so we can present them to Boxscore Betty (W.O.W.) and "relevant Phoenix Suns" Joe.
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Rick if you want to get the final EC vs WC stats so we can present them to Boxscore Betty (W.O.W.) and "relevant Phoenix Suns" Joe.
What's the matter? You STILL can't figure out how many teams are over .500 in the Atlantic division?
BitchOWNED!
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Rick if you want to get the final EC vs WC stats so we can present them to Boxscore Betty (W.O.W.) and "relevant Phoenix Suns" Joe.
What's the matter? You STILL can't figure out how many teams are over .500 in the Atlantic division?
BitchOWNED!
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Lurker can u give an update on this, specifically Philly record vs the PacPatsies? Or are you afraid it will buttown W.O.W. even more?
Using Lurks updated head to head stats:
5-4 Boston
6-3 Philly
4-5 Jersey
4-5 Toronto
3-6 NY
22-23 Atlantic vs Pacific
8-1 LAL
5-5 Phx
6-4 G.S.
3-4 Clips
1-8 Kings
23-22 Pac vs Atl
Virtual tie head to head at this point.
Rick, an update?
Atlantic Div. vs. WC: 67-74 .475
Pacific Div. vs. EC: 54-90 .375
It's not even close. The Pacific is the most pathetic conference in the League this season.
In addition:
EC vs. WC: 219-203 .518
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Pacific vs Atlantic 25-25
Pacific:
GS 6-4 (same as Celtics :o )
LAC 4-6
LAL 9-1
Pho 5-5
Sac 1-9 (Sac's only eastern win vs Atlantic patsy Knicks)
Atlantic:
Bos 6-4 (kind of makes you question the whole east is dominant theory)
NJ 4-6
NY 3-7
Phi 7-3 (got to give credit - handed the Lakers their 1 loss)
Tor 5-5
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^^ Thank you Lurker.
well well well. Not only are the head to heads even, we've got the 6ers going 7-3 vs the PacPatsies, that's .700
While PHX is 5-5 vs Atlantic. That's .500
Good this W.O.W. has skirted.
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bye.
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^^ Thank you Lurker.
well well well. Not only are the head to heads even, we've got the 6ers going 7-3 vs the PacPatsies, that's .700
While PHX is 5-5 vs Atlantic. That's .500
Good this W.O.W. has skirted.
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bye.
Lakers went 9-1 vs the FAGlantic, in retarded Reality math is 7-3 better than 9-1? OWNED!
How did the NJ Nets do compared to the PHX Suns? BitchOWNED!
How many teams over .500 in the FAGlantic Reality? BottomBitchOWNED!
Bitch better have my MONEY!
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Lakers went 9-1 vs the FAGlantic, in retarded Reality math is 7-3 better than 9-1? OWNED!
How did the NJ Nets do compared to the PHX Suns? BitchOWNED!
How many teams over .500 in the FAGlantic Reality? BottomBitchOWNED!
Bitch better have my MONEY!
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Scared little skirty girl Reality, what's your response? Come on Mr. Hidden!
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