Eastern Division W-L records

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The Portland game went to OT, but once they got there, Portland didn't look like they belonged, they don't know how to close out games like San Antonio. Portland is going to be early round fodder for some other team in the West IMO.

OK Rick I get it, you are trolling for a reaction, so I will play along.

Portland vs the 8 EC playoff teams
9-7  56.3% winning %
In that all important points per game differential vs those 8 teams, in 16 games

Portland 97.7 PPG
Opponents  93.7 PPG
Differential vs the demonstrably superior 8 EC playoff teams ONLY (the leagues elite teams, RIGHT)  +4.0

Philly versus the entire league, including the demonstrably weaker WC playoff teams, the demonstrably weaker WC non-playoff teams, the EC non playoff teams, and the Demonstrably superior EC playoff teams
Philly  97.5
Opponent  96.8
Differential  0.7

I got all those numbers right didn't I?

So Portland against the best of the best ONLY +4.0
Philly against everybody including the dregs of the WC, and the EC  +0.70

Now my turn to troll for a reaction.

I wonder who will really be the playoff fodder?

[WayOutWest]

And the only reason Atlanta won't be early round fodder is because there are only 3 legitimate teams in the east.  So they get to play one of the other mediocre middle of the NBA teams that populate the east.

So in the east there are at most only 2 tough series for a team to get to the finals.  And for Cleveland make that ONE tough series - in the ECF.  However the Lakers will have to face 3 tough series (Dallas is tougher out than any of the lower seeds in the east) to get to the finals.  But the east is stronger.   

Give it up Lurker, one guy you are dealing with is not serious about discussing B-Ball and the other guy is a moron.

Boston is NOT an elite team because they lost to the Rockets, Jazz, Warriors, Hornets, and CLIPPERS. "If they are really that much better, however, they shouldn't loose to a middle of the road, and BOTTOM DWELLERS team from the weaker conference. "

I think only a MORON would come to "that" conclusion!

[Derek Bodner]

Sixers might be creeping up on legit of Thad keeps playing the way he has been.  He's averaging over 20 ppg over his last 17 games played.

[WayOutWest]

Sixers might be creeping up on legit of Thad keeps playing the way he has been.  He's averaging over 20 ppg over his last 17 games played.

Dear Allah are you drinking the cool-aide? "might"? "MIGHT"?  Jeeze Bods, why don't you tell us about how the Sixers would do better in the WC because they "might" prepare better for a conference foe? 

[Derek Bodner]

Not legit as in title contender, mind you, but legit as in a legit playoff team.

[WayOutWest]

Not legit as in title contender, mind you, but legit as in a legit playoff team.

Maybe a "legit" playoff team in the WEAKER Eastern Conference. 


They'd miss the playoffs in the Western Conference no doubt.

[Lurker]

From ESPN weekend dime...

So ?

The only comparisons with the West which favor the East, entering the final 20 days of the regular season, are as follows:

1. The East is still clinging to a 220-206 record in head-to-head games against Western Conference opposition as of Friday morning, with 24 more interconference games to go, capped by Atlanta at Memphis on the last night (April 15) of the regular season. And holding on would indeed represent a newsworthy breakthrough, since the West has posted the better head-to-head record for each of the past nine seasons, with its smallest advantage coming in the 1999-2000 season when it was 34 games over .500 at 227-193, good for a winning percentage of .540.

2. The East has eight teams (Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Chicago and Charlotte) with records of .500 or better against the West this season, compared to just four teams (Boston, Detroit, Cleveland and Philadelphia) last season.

However ?

A closer inspection of those numbers suggests that this season's supposed revenge of the Leastern Conference is going to wind up looking marginal and circumstantial. The jump in quality at the top of the East is undeniable, with three of the four teams bound for 60 wins -- Cleveland, Orlando and Boston -- on that side of the conference divide. But it's still a conference where a few title-contending teams are asked to mask the mediocrity of 10 or so others, given that No. 1 and No. 2 above wouldn't have been possible without the unusually large amount of West pushovers behind No. 9 Phoenix.

Warriors, Thunder, Timberwolves, Clippers, Grizzlies and Kings. Those six teams are a combined 45-124 against the East. It's not like the West's top nine teams haven't fattened up with all those bottom-feeders around, either, but the huge drop-off from the Suns to the Sad Six -- combined with the gaudy interconference records posted by the Cavs (23-4), Magic (21-7) and Celts (20-9) -- explains how the East has finally halted its decade-long drought.

The good news? It would appear that the long-suffering East will not end up tying the unwanted league record for most sub-.500 playoff teams in a single season, barring an unforeseen collapse by Philadelphia or Miami. It will avoid the list as long as the Nos. 7 and 8 seeds -- Chicago and Detroit entering the weekend -- are the East's only playoff teams with losing records:

Most Sub-.500 Playoff Teams In A Single Conference (NBA history)
Season Conference
1996-97 West (Clippers, Wolves, Suns)
1991-92 East (Pacers, Nets, Heat)
1985-86 East (Nets, Bullets, Bulls)
1985-86 West (Blazers, Kings, Spurs)
1984-85 East (Bullets, Bulls, Cavaliers)
1966-67 West (Hawks, Lakers, Bulls)

[Reality]

From ESPN weekend dime...

So ?

The only comparisons with the West which favor the East, entering the final 20 days of the regular season, are as follows:

1. The East is still clinging to a 220-206 record in head-to-head games against Western Conference opposition as of Friday morning, with 24 more interconference games to go, capped by Atlanta at Memphis on the last night (April 15) of the regular season. And holding on would indeed represent a newsworthy breakthrough, since the West has posted the better head-to-head record for each of the past nine seasons, with its smallest advantage coming in the 1999-2000 season when it was 34 games over .500 at 227-193, good for a winning percentage of .540.

2. The East has eight teams (Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Chicago and Charlotte) with records of .500 or better against the West this season, compared to just four teams (Boston, Detroit, Cleveland and Philadelphia) last season.

However ?

A closer inspection of those numbers suggests that this season's supposed revenge of the Leastern Conference is going to wind up looking marginal and circumstantial. The jump in quality at the top of the East is undeniable, with three of the four teams bound for 60 wins -- Cleveland, Orlando and Boston -- on that side of the conference divide. But it's still a conference where a few title-contending teams are asked to mask the mediocrity of 10 or so others, given that No. 1 and No. 2 above wouldn't have been possible without the unusually large amount of West pushovers behind No. 9 Phoenix.

Warriors, Thunder, Timberwolves, Clippers, Grizzlies and Kings. Those six teams are a combined 45-124 against the East. It's not like the West's top nine teams haven't fattened up with all those bottom-feeders around, either, but the huge drop-off from the Suns to the Sad Six -- combined with the gaudy interconference records posted by the Cavs (23-4), Magic (21-7) and Celts (20-9) -- explains how the East has finally halted its decade-long drought.

The good news? It would appear that the long-suffering East will not end up tying the unwanted league record for most sub-.500 playoff teams in a single season, barring an unforeseen collapse by Philadelphia or Miami. It will avoid the list as long as the Nos. 7 and 8 seeds -- Chicago and Detroit entering the weekend -- are the East's only playoff teams with losing records:

Most Sub-.500 Playoff Teams In A Single Conference (NBA history)
Season Conference
1996-97 West (Clippers, Wolves, Suns)
1991-92 East (Pacers, Nets, Heat)
1985-86 East (Nets, Bullets, Bulls)
1985-86 West (Blazers, Kings, Spurs)
1984-85 East (Bullets, Bulls, Cavaliers)
1966-67 West (Hawks, Lakers, Bulls)

Are you trying to use this to support your stance?
 

[Lurker]

Are you trying to use this to support your stance?
 

And it does for anyone who can comprehend the written word beyond the "See Jane Run" level.

[Reality]

Rick if you want to get the final EC vs WC stats so we can present them to Boxscore Betty (W.O.W.) and "relevant Phoenix Suns" Joe.

[WayOutWest]

Rick if you want to get the final EC vs WC stats so we can present them to Boxscore Betty (W.O.W.) and "relevant Phoenix Suns" Joe.

What's the matter?  You STILL can't figure out how many teams are over .500 in the Atlantic division?

BitchOWNED!

[WayOutWest]

Rick if you want to get the final EC vs WC stats so we can present them to Boxscore Betty (W.O.W.) and "relevant Phoenix Suns" Joe.

What's the matter?  You STILL can't figure out how many teams are over .500 in the Atlantic division?

BitchOWNED!

nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey goodbye.....

[Reality]

Lurker can u give an update on this, specifically Philly record vs the PacPatsies?  Or are you afraid it will buttown W.O.W. even more?

Using Lurks updated head to head stats:

5-4 Boston
6-3 Philly
4-5 Jersey
4-5 Toronto
3-6 NY
22-23 Atlantic vs Pacific

8-1 LAL
5-5 Phx
6-4 G.S.
3-4 Clips
1-8 Kings
23-22 Pac vs Atl
Virtual tie head to head at this point.

Rick, an update?

Atlantic Div. vs. WC:  67-74 .475
Pacific Div. vs. EC:     54-90 .375

It's not even close. The Pacific is the most pathetic conference in the League this season.

In addition:
EC vs. WC:   219-203 .518

[Lurker]

Pacific vs Atlantic   25-25

Pacific:
GS     6-4   (same as Celtics     )
LAC    4-6   
LAL    9-1 
Pho    5-5 
Sac    1-9  (Sac's only eastern win vs Atlantic patsy Knicks)

Atlantic:
Bos  6-4   (kind of makes you question the whole east is dominant theory)
NJ   4-6   
NY   3-7   
Phi   7-3  (got to give credit - handed the Lakers their 1 loss) 
Tor  5-5 

[Reality]

^^ Thank you Lurker.
well well well.  Not only are the head to heads even, we've got the 6ers going 7-3 vs the PacPatsies, that's .700
While PHX is 5-5 vs Atlantic.  That's .500

Good this W.O.W. has skirted.

nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey goodbye.....

bye.