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PhillyArena Community => NBA Discussion => Topic started by: Derek Bodner on February 16, 2008, 04:34:55 PM
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for pretty much junk (expiring contracts and the disappointing Shelden Williams):
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/717681.html
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Does this manuever give any way, shape or form a read on what might happen with Artest?
"Also on Saturday, the Kings requested waivers on forward Justin Williams and guard Dahntay Jones."
Oh goodie goodie, they're clearing roster spots?
Just posturing by the Kings to get a better deal >> Kings' Artest says he's no longer lobbying for trade
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3249812
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This is a great move for my team.
Shelden could be a steal if he plays back up to his abilities. There was a month where he averaged 11/10 in his rookie season. I don't know what happened to the guy but he has potential.
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"Also on Saturday, the Kings requested waivers on forward Justin Williams and guard Dahntay Jones."
Oh goodie goodie, they're clearing roster spots?
They had to...they got 4 players for Bibby. There are no extra roster spots unless they cut more players.
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They fully broke up the core that ALMOST got them the championship with Bibby leaving town.
*pours out some Sactown back woods hooch*
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for pretty much junk (expiring contracts and the disappointing Shelden Williams):
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/717681.html
Basically true, but three of the four players the Kings got for Bibby HAVE those expiring contracts Petrie wants to clear cap space, and the fourth, Williams, needs to prove his NBA worth yet, so remains of interest. He was a #5 pick two years ago, and came out of NCAA powerhouse Duke, so he should know the game. Tyrone Lue is also of interest to the Boston Celtics, for some reason, and could be moved by Thursday.
The big question this trade caused me was the releasing of Williams and (to a lesser extent) Jones. It had to be done, but Williams is of more interest then Wright because of his athleticism, and Jones is something of a defensive stud off the bench, whereas both Lue and Johnson are PG's and the Kings do not need both.
One thing is very clear. Petrie is not done yet, so this trade will have to be reviewed again after the next one takes place. He and the Nuggets have apparently picked up the phones once again to talk about Artest, where Carmelo Anthony, for one, has been lobbying for Denver to obtain via a trade as the missing piece for playoff placement and competitiveness. The key players from Denver remain Kleiza and Najera, but since that alone has not made the trade happen, it would seem that Petrie is waiting for a sweetener to enchance the pot. That would be a draft pick or perhaps the involvement of a third team into the negotiations. Though adamently denied by Petrie, Indiana has been rumored to be that third team and the player involved (who would go to the Kings) is none other then Jermaine O'Neal.
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I don't understand Carmelo and Denver wanting Artest. He plays the same position as CA. How is that going to work, will they put Artest at the 4?
Also, Klieza and Najera are way too much to give up for Artest. I wouldn't even trade Kleiza straight up for him (assuming the salaries matched, which they I'm sure they don't). The only thing Artest has proven he can do is botch a team.
I realize Denver is so horrible at D that they are desparate to do anything to fortify that end of the court, but man, this whole proposition just baffles me.
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Melo is looking for "fighting" lessons. And figured that he would look to an expert. Simple as that.
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Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
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Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
Hope you got all that out of your system, Ted.
Now don't do it again.
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Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
BTW, Ted, I hope you do know that Artest flat out can NOT confront anyone on the court ever again if he wants to continue playing in the NBA. That little fact DID cross your mind in his confrontation with Harpring, I am sure.
Right?
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It's Artest's own fault.
Harpring is just as dirty, but not as BLATANT. Stealth counts.
Harpring rocks. Can't shoot, though.
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Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
BTW, Ted, I hope you do know that Artest flat out can NOT confront anyone on the court ever again if he wants to continue playing in the NBA. That little fact DID cross your mind in his confrontation with Harpring, I am sure.
Right?
Poor misunderstood Ron Artest.
Punched a fan.
Now he can't be man.
Personally, I have a theory. He went after the pencil-necked Detroit fan instead of the obviously knuckle-headed tough guy who actually threw the beer because he knew the little guy probably wouldn't fight back.
JoMal, I understand what it's like to have to cheer for a total dickhead. We had Karl Malone on our team. And when he's playing well, you like the fact that he's a dirty swine on the court. You like it when he splays open Isiah's forehead and knocks out David Robinson (for some reason, the nicest NBA player I never liked), but when's he's gone to another team for a title shot because he didn't have the stuff to bring one to your team, you won't like him as much.
Ron Artest is a chest-beating, taunt-screaming, fight-fearing punk. The fact that he can NOT get into another confrontation is moot (and his own fault by the way); he ran from both Boozer and Harpring on the same night. WUSS.
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He hurt his heel last night and looked HORRIBLE. Almost like he had actual butter on his hands last night.
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After the Lakers "built" an 18 point lead in the 1st I lost interest. 30 point lead in the 3rd wasn't enough to bring me back.
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After the Lakers "built" an 18 point lead in the 1st I lost interest. 30 point lead in the 3rd wasn't enough to bring me back.
It actually got to 40 points at one point last night...
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Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
BTW, Ted, I hope you do know that Artest flat out can NOT confront anyone on the court ever again if he wants to continue playing in the NBA. That little fact DID cross your mind in his confrontation with Harpring, I am sure.
Right?
Poor misunderstood Ron Artest.
Punched a fan.
Now he can't be man.
Personally, I have a theory. He went after the pencil-necked Detroit fan instead of the obviously knuckle-headed tough guy who actually threw the beer because he knew the little guy probably wouldn't fight back.
JoMal, I understand what it's like to have to cheer for a total dickhead. We had Karl Malone on our team. And when he's playing well, you like the fact that he's a dirty swine on the court. You like it when he splays open Isiah's forehead and knocks out David Robinson (for some reason, the nicest NBA player I never liked), but when's he's gone to another team for a title shot because he didn't have the stuff to bring one to your team, you won't like him as much.
Ron Artest is a chest-beating, taunt-screaming, fight-fearing punk. The fact that he can NOT get into another confrontation is moot (and his own fault by the way); he ran from both Boozer and Harpring on the same night. WUSS.
And, Ted, I also understand homerism just fine and how you can be proud of your players for their on-court antics, while they play for YOUR team. But the reputation of the Jazz - in the post-Malone era, that is - of being thugs and deviants who like to inflict pain rather then basketball strategy on opponents to instill fear in them makes your Artest comments something like the pot calling the kettle black. From the point of view of some other team, I could let it slide, but the Jazz have never had a reputation of being soft and neither has Artest, regardless of your rather lame attempts to imply he is when playing the likes of Matt Harpring (!) or Carlos Boozer.
Plus to what end was the result? The next game played by the Jazz against the Kings, they lost by 13 points and could not bully the likes of Quincy Douby or John Salmons, neither of whom come close to the apparent awe-inspiring drivel you think Ron Artest deserves from some sort of face-down by not one, according to you, but TWO Utah players, one of whom is much bigger and plays a different position then Artest.
They tried to provoke Artest in that game played in Utah, but clearly had no thoughts of duplicating that once on the road against the Kings in Sacramento. Why, if it was so affective at home, would they, in your words, clearly WUSS out, on the road? Because THAT is the definition of cowards, not what Artest did in a hostile environment, both in Detroit and Salt Lake City. You can call what he did in the Motor City plenty of adjectives, and THEY ARE ALL DESERVED, including stupid, thoughtless, destructive, and certainly long-lasting in his case for the rest of his NBA career, but implying he could not take on either Harpring or Boozer, one-on-one, and not, as you implied, ganged up on, is short-sighted, to be polite about it.
Artest will carry the dregs of his mistakes the rest of his life as well as for the rest of his NBA career, but watching him showing any kind of restraint, under the circumstances he faced on the road in Utah, and then essentially mocking him for doing it, and from a fan of the most embarassing thug team of our era, is the height of hypocracy and persecution.
And if the Jazz can not or will not play to the same thug levels on the road, gutless as well.
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I can and do rip on Artest for a lot of things. He's brought it upon himself.
One thing; however, I won't attack him for is not allowing himself to be goaded by the opposition. I didn't see the game in question, but if in fact Harpring, or Boozer, or any player tried to get under his skin and Artest walked away, I would commend him for that. As Chris Rock would say, "That's what you're SUPPOSED to do!".
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I can and do rip on Artest for a lot of things. He's brought it upon himself.
One thing; however, I won't attack him for is not allowing himself to be goaded by the opposition. I didn't see the game in question, but if in fact Harpring, or Boozer, or any player tried to get under his skin and Artest walked away, I would commend him for that. As Chris Rock would say, "That's what you're SUPPOSED to do!".
Well.... he kinda walked away. He did get tech'd up twice and kicked out of the game in the fourth, but considering what Harpring and Boozer were trying to do to him, it was a victory of sorts that Artest simply walked off the court, slapping hands with his teammates as he went, while boo's rained down on him, as they did all game long.
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^^Yeah, I'd say that's a triumph for Ron.
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I'd say having the patience of a mature adult and NOT getting tech'd up twice and taking it to the Jazz until the last fraction of the last second of the game ticked off the clock and perhaps, but not necessarily, getting the win would have been more of a triumph for Ron. <shrug>
. . . and since when did the Jazz become Bad Boys Pistons Ocks-Style, goodness JoMal, but you have a flair for the dramatic.
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Baby steps, Skandery, baby steps ... ;)
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I'd say having the patience of a mature adult and NOT getting tech'd up twice and taking it to the Jazz until the last fraction of the last second of the game ticked off the clock and perhaps, but not necessarily, getting the win would have been more of a triumph for Ron. <shrug>
. . . and since when did the Jazz become Bad Boys Pistons Ocks-Style, goodness JoMal, but you have a flair for the dramatic.
Allow this old man his senior moments, youngster. And having a flair for dramatic is the bread and butter of Dabod's arena,is it not?
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. . . Tis true, tis true.
Please continue I think you were in the middle of, ". . and lo as Harprings evil laugh reigned maniacly down across the backdrop of the Great Burn, Ronaldus Artestius stood grim and resolute to foil his nefarious plans . . ."
Baby steps, Skandery, baby steps ...
:D
Hey msc, why do I feel like you're Richard Dreyfuss and I'm Bill Murray.
"Babystep to 4 o'clock, Babystep to 4 o'clock!!"
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I'd say having the patience of a mature adult and NOT getting tech'd up twice and taking it to the Jazz until the last fraction of the last second of the game ticked off the clock and perhaps, but not necessarily, getting the win would have been more of a triumph for Ron. <shrug>
. . . and since when did the Jazz become Bad Boys Pistons Ocks-Style, goodness JoMal, but you have a flair for the dramatic.
I was thinking the same thing. From JoMaL's post you would have thought the Jazz play basketball like the NY Giants defense in the super bowl. Since when did they get so dirty and cheap? They've always been a hard nosed team but as far as going to take guys heads off, nah. I don't see it.
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. . . Tis true, tis true.
Please continue I think you were in the middle of, ". . and lo as Harprings evil laugh reigned maniacly down across the backdrop of the Great Burn, Ronaldus Artestius stood grim and resolute to foil his nefarious plans . . ."
....did it really come across sounding like that?
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. . . Tis true, tis true.
Please continue I think you were in the middle of, ". . and lo as Harprings evil laugh reigned maniacly down across the backdrop of the Great Burn, Ronaldus Artestius stood grim and resolute to foil his nefarious plans . . ."
....did it really come across sounding like that?
Yes..it read like a script for battlestar galactica
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. . . Battlestar Galactica with writers on loan from "Days of Our Lives" and the screen-writer from "Terms of Endearment".
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. . . Battlestar Galactica with writers on loan from "Days of Our Lives" and the screen-writer from "Terms of Endearment".
I was thinking more along the lines of "Schindlers List". (sic?)
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Hey msc, why do I feel like you're Richard Dreyfuss and I'm Bill Murray.
"Babystep to 4 o'clock, Babystep to 4 o'clock!!"
:D
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I was thinking more along the lines of "Schindlers List". (sic?)
Holy cow :D
I typed it, thought for a second, deleted, and re-wrote "Terms of Endearment".
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I have tried figuring out what it is you guys are trying to say with all these script analogies, and frankly I am stumped.
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I have tried figuring out what it is you guys are trying to say with all these script analogies, and frankly I am stumped.
Simply put....Don't become a writer
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Does the great JoMal have a blind spot?
But the reputation of the Jazz - in the post-Malone era, that is - of being thugs and deviants who like to inflict pain rather then basketball strategy on opponents to instill fear in them makes your Artest comments something like the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't have an issue with you calling them thugs and deviants. I know that's you just flaming me.
Here's what I have an issue with:
who like to inflict pain rather then basketball strategy
Seriously O stately one, what the hell are you talking about? The Jazz have one of the top five execution offenses in the league. When they run it well, it is like watching a layup drill. No basketball strategy? Are you having another senior moment or something? I could swear you are talking about the New York Knicks or the Portland JailBlazers (not the Trailblazers as they are again known). I won't go further because I believe deep down you probably wish you could take back that proverbial fastball down the middle.
I'll tell you all what started the whole thing. Harpring was inserted in the game; Artest tried to post him up; he found it more difficult than he may have expected; elbows began to be thrown both ways; and Ron Artest LOST HIS MIND.
Then the next game, the Kings beat the Jazz by outrebounding them 45 to 31. Two technical fouls were called during the game; one on Mehmet Okur, another on Jerry Sloan. I supposedly, Quincy Douby and John Salmons stood up to the deviant, bone-crunching, mindless Jazz thugs. The heroes took that day and rode on to a brave, glorious, honorable loss the next night against Golden State, who were unable to beat the vicious Jazz this year.
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I have tried figuring out what it is you guys are trying to say with all these script analogies, and frankly I am stumped.
Simply put....Don't become a writer
That's like telling you not to become a comprehender.
Oh.....right.
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I have tried figuring out what it is you guys are trying to say with all these script analogies, and frankly I am stumped.
Simply put....Don't become a writer
That's like telling you not to become a comprehender.
Oh.....right.
Don't get upset because I think you should stick to what you currently do for a living ;)
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I have tried figuring out what it is you guys are trying to say with all these script analogies, and frankly I am stumped.
Simply put....Don't become a writer
That's like telling you not to become a comprehender.
Oh.....right.
Don't get upset because I think you should stick to what you currently do for a living ;)
Right.....and since I have no intention of doing otherwise, and you DO have to write to post here, once again, you have lost me. Is because I CAN write you feel intimidated? In that case, I am so sorry. :'(
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I have tried figuring out what it is you guys are trying to say with all these script analogies, and frankly I am stumped.
Simply put....Don't become a writer
That's like telling you not to become a comprehender.
Oh.....right.
Don't get upset because I think you should stick to what you currently do for a living ;)
Right.....and since I have no intention of doing otherwise, and you DO have to write to post here, once again, you have lost me. Is because I CAN write you feel intimidated? In that case, I am so sorry. :'(
Often older people get left in the dust or just turn into it....this is one of those times.
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Does the great JoMal have a blind spot?
Do I have a blind spot? :D :D
Ted, that wall you are heading into isn't going to move.
I don't have an issue with you calling them thugs and deviants. I know that's you just flaming me.
Here's what I have an issue with:
who like to inflict pain rather then basketball strategy
Seriously O stately one, what the hell are you talking about? The Jazz have one of the top five execution offenses in the league. When they run it well, it is like watching a layup drill. No basketball strategy? Are you having another senior moment or something? I could swear you are talking about the New York Knicks or the Portland JailBlazers (not the Trailblazers as they are again known). I won't go further because I believe deep down you probably wish you could take back that proverbial fastball down the middle.
You don't mind me calling the Jazz thugs and deviants, but have a problem with their tendancy to ignore basketball strategy over the issuance of pain instead. Okaaaay, at least we are now getting somewhere.
But being one of the top five (actually fifth) in scoring offense is so not the same as being number 1. Are the Jazz number 1 in any category? Let's see. They are close in assists, and steals (and turnovers), but they are only number 1 in one category that I can see - personal fouls per game.
Sounds like they do have an interest in the "inflicting pain" department a tad bit more then they do in offensive strategy after all.
I'll tell you all what started the whole thing. Harpring was inserted in the game; Artest tried to post him up; he found it more difficult than he may have expected; elbows began to be thrown both ways; and Ron Artest LOST HIS MIND.
Then the next game, the Kings beat the Jazz by outrebounding them 45 to 31. Two technical fouls were called during the game; one on Mehmet Okur, another on Jerry Sloan. I supposedly, Quincy Douby and John Salmons stood up to the deviant, bone-crunching, mindless Jazz thugs. The heroes took that day and rode on to a brave, glorious, honorable loss the next night against Golden State, who were unable to beat the vicious Jazz this year.
Really? It was that Sacramento outrebounded the Jazz that resulted in the Kings winning the second game? Not the 50 (that's right, FIVE-OOO) free throws the Kings shot, making 40, compared to the Jazz going to the line only 23 times? Because you would certainly think, if the Kings outrebounded the jazz by 14, well, they must have shot many more field goals, right. Instead, the Jazz shot 14 more field goals then the Kings in that game and still lost by 13.
Wow!!! Let's hear once again about the superior Jazz basketball strategy, which just might, and correct me if I am wrong, not tend to transfer on the road as well as it seems to in SLC. The Jazz "basketball strategy" in the home game against the Kings was clearly to see if they could frustrate and ignite Artest - to make him, how did you put it? To LOSE HIS MIND. And sure enough, Ron got t'ed up twice and tossed from the game. I bet you thought ole Ronnie has gotten tossed out of lots of games this year. Why don't to look up that stat to see how many other teams have gotten Ron that upset. Nope, just that Jazz "basketball strategy" you are so proud of came up with the brilliant idea to try to DUPLICATE WHAT HAPPENED IN DETROIT.
And you can't tell me the same strategy was not on their minds in Sacramento when they sent the Kings to the line 50 times.
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Often older people get left in the dust or just turn into it....this is one of those times.
And spinning just makes dust without settling it...definitely one of those times.
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Often older people get left in the dust or just turn into it....this is one of those times.
And spinning just makes dust without settling it...definitely one of those times.
If you are referring to a twister...those only come up in redneck areas so I wouldn't know anything about them. Please make references to things that people outside of your neighborhood can relate to.
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Often older people get left in the dust or just turn into it....this is one of those times.
And spinning just makes dust without settling it...definitely one of those times.
If you are referring to a twister...those only come up in redneck areas so I wouldn't know anything about them. Please make references to things that people outside of your neighborhood can relate to.
Sorry, but I can't quite replicate drive-by shootings, dope deals, and meth labs via the Internet. Perhaps if you would just step outside for a minute......
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Often older people get left in the dust or just turn into it....this is one of those times.
And spinning just makes dust without settling it...definitely one of those times.
If you are referring to a twister...those only come up in redneck areas so I wouldn't know anything about them. Please make references to things that people outside of your neighborhood can relate to.
Sorry, but I can't quite replicate drive-by shootings, dope deals, and meth labs via the Internet. Perhaps if you would just step outside for a minute......
I live in Orange County...we don't have those. Are you getting so old that you mistook me for W.O.W?
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Often older people get left in the dust or just turn into it....this is one of those times.
And spinning just makes dust without settling it...definitely one of those times.
If you are referring to a twister...those only come up in redneck areas so I wouldn't know anything about them. Please make references to things that people outside of your neighborhood can relate to.
Sorry, but I can't quite replicate drive-by shootings, dope deals, and meth labs via the Internet. Perhaps if you would just step outside for a minute......
I live in Orange County...we don't have those. Are you getting so old that you mistook me for W.O.W?
Ah, well. My mistake. Orange county, of course. Where the Bozone Layer is so thick, bright ideas from W.O.W's neighborhood can't penetrate. I am sure, from your constant predications about my age, that you might still be young enough to dream of escaping the affects of Orange County reintarnation, and avoid coming back to life as a Beverly Hillbilly wannabe.
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Sorry, but I can't quite replicate drive-by shootings, dope deals, and meth labs via the Internet. Perhaps if you would just step outside for a minute......
Ah, well. My mistake. Orange county, of course. Where the Bozone Layer is so thick, bright ideas from W.O.W's neighborhood can't penetrate. I am sure, from your constant predications about my age, that you might still be young enough to dream of escaping the affects of Orange County reintarnation, and avoid coming back to life as a Beverly Hillbilly wannabe.
Nice ;D
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Often older people get left in the dust or just turn into it....this is one of those times.
And spinning just makes dust without settling it...definitely one of those times.
If you are referring to a twister...those only come up in redneck areas so I wouldn't know anything about them. Please make references to things that people outside of your neighborhood can relate to.
Sorry, but I can't quite replicate drive-by shootings, dope deals, and meth labs via the Internet. Perhaps if you would just step outside for a minute......
I live in Orange County...we don't have those. Are you getting so old that you mistook me for W.O.W?
Ah, well. My mistake. Orange county, of course. Where the Bozone Layer is so thick, bright ideas from W.O.W's neighborhood can't penetrate. I am sure, from your constant predications about my age, that you might still be young enough to dream of escaping the affects of Orange County reintarnation, and avoid coming back to life as a Beverly Hillbilly wannabe.
You know when you have a retarded guy clapping for you after a joke you fell short
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You know when you have a retarded guy clapping for you after a joke you fell short
Or your English translater is taking a few days off. S-H-A-L-L I S-P-E-A-K S-L-O-W-E-R?
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You don't mind me calling the Jazz thugs and deviants, but have a problem with their tendancy to ignore basketball strategy over the issuance of pain instead. Okaaaay, at least we are now getting somewhere.
No, if I thought you were serious that they were really "thugs and deviants" then I would have a problem with that. The Jazz do not have the reputation you are trying to brand on them. And I'll say it once more so you can't keep ignoring it: The situation with Harpring began when Artest tried to be physical with Harpring and Harpring didn't back down. Stop trying to warp what happened in that game into Auburn Palace part 2. It's ridiculous and beneath you.
I'll tell you all what started the whole thing. Harpring was inserted in the game; Artest tried to post him up; he found it more difficult than he may have expected; elbows began to be thrown both ways; and Ron Artest LOST HIS MIND.
Really? It was that Sacramento outrebounded the Jazz that resulted in the Kings winning the second game? Not the 50 (that's right, FIVE-OOO) free throws the Kings shot, making 40, compared to the Jazz going to the line only 23 times? Because you would certainly think, if the Kings outrebounded the jazz by 14, well, they must have shot many more field goals, right. Instead, the Jazz shot 14 more field goals then the Kings in that game and still lost by 13.
Okay fine, you're right. We'll call it what it was -- home cooking from the refs for the home team. (hee hee, that's me flaming you . . . did you see that?)
Wow!!! Let's hear once again about the superior Jazz basketball strategy, which just might, and correct me if I am wrong, not tend to transfer on the road as well as it seems to in SLC. The Jazz "basketball strategy" in the home game against the Kings was clearly to see if they could frustrate and ignite Artest - to make him, how did you put it? To LOSE HIS MIND. And sure enough, Ron got t'ed up twice and tossed from the game. I bet you thought ole Ronnie has gotten tossed out of lots of games this year. Why don't to look up that stat to see how many other teams have gotten Ron that upset. Nope, just that Jazz "basketball strategy" you are so proud of came up with the brilliant idea to try to DUPLICATE WHAT HAPPENED IN DETROIT.
And you can't tell me the same strategy was not on their minds in Sacramento when they sent the Kings to the line 50 times.
Well, I guess I'm forced to concede defeat here because it has now become obvious that you have crawled all up in Jerry Sloan's arse all the way to his brain so you now know that he was coaching his team to DUPLICATE WHAT HAPPENED IN DETROIT.
In truth, I've probably been unfair to Ron Artest in judging him by one on-court meltdown this year (I'm taking your word for it on that one). If you're right and he is a new man since Detroit, then maybe he just had a bad day. I'm sure Matt Harpring can do that to you. But are you sure you're not judging the Jazz by the results of one game? I would venture to say that you're the only poster here who "thinks" the Jazz have that kind of reputation--thus the "old man" and "drama" cracks we've seen (which have until now been completely unwarranted). ;)
I do respect one thing. You are a passionate fan, and I understand it. Like I said, I once cheered for Karl Malone.
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Ted -
First off, about the age thing, you know and most everyone else knows that the only reason this keeps being thrown my way is because the art of debate is lost on those persons who actually think this is an insult. I earned my years and from this point in my life, it is nothing more then a sad joke on those who pretend otherwise. They can't get to me through legitimate arguement, so they try the personal attack. If I respond in kind, it just gets off the true topic, after a while. I like to play off with westkoast on this, because frankly it is about all he can handle, but with the rest of you I see no need. He hardly recognizes how often he acts and answers just like his so-called nemisis, Reality does, you would think he would figure that out. So let's just drop it between us, okay?
As for the real topic here, Ted, let me be upfront about why we are even in this discussion:
Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
Ron Artest is a chest-beating, taunt-screaming, fight-fearing punk. The fact that he can NOT get into another confrontation is moot (and his own fault by the way); he ran from both Boozer and Harpring on the same night. WUSS.
You are calling Artest a coward here, and a guy who backs off confrontation. He did not back down from either Harpring or Boozer in that game, which is quite obvious because HE was the one who got tossed from that game played in Salt Lake City. He will not be given the benefit of the doubt regardless. AND, most importantly, Sloan would take advantage of that, or you really do NOT understand how Jerry views basketball strategy and how best his team can win games> It was THIS slanted view of the events that brought out my response. How could you NOT think I would have something to say about it based on how you worded your post?
You say Harpring is smaller, like being exacly the same height but 14 pounds ligher puts him into a completely different class, but then ignore the fact that Boozer IS bigger then Artest, by two inches and twenty pounds, and you imply Artest "ran" from both, again ignoring the fact that, gee, two against one, as long as the two are Jazz players, makes this somehow a fair confrontation. THEN you get offended by this clearly being what it is, a strategical effort to confront Ron and mix it up with him, probably with the hope that Ron would regress to his previous antagonistic attitude. And to a point, this is what happened.
But to his credit, something that you later belittled, he did not do anything other then get tossed from the game. Something you say is moot, because, gee, YOUR guys got away with the same tactics, but that home court advantage sure kicked in, didn't it? BTW, Ron did not play Harpring or Boozer any differently from how he plays every night.
And, once AWAY from the friendly confines, the Jazz played "tough" basketball at Arco like Develomental League bench players. Artest plays that way no matter if he is at Arco or Salt Lake City, even though he can not confront opponents who try to antagonize him, which clearly then , CAN NOT be a moot point. You can't even come CLOSE to saying the same thing about Boozer or Harpring. So hold the Artest name-calling to what you know about him - he at least plays like a bastard against everyone no matter what arena he is in. Is it a "moot" point to mention your players back down away from home?
I like you, Ted, and always have. But do you honestly think the Jazz players were somehow justified just because it was Artest and not a true "runner", like a Ray Allen? Artest has his faults, but the one you place on him, implying he has fear of ANYONE he plays against, is so blatantly wrong it defies logic.
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Ted -
First off, about the age thing, you know and most everyone else knows that the only reason this keeps being thrown my way is because the art of debate is lost on those persons who actually think this is an insult. I earned my years and from this point in my life, it is nothing more then a sad joke on those who pretend otherwise. They can't get to me through legitimate arguement, so they try the personal attack. If I respond in kind, it just gets off the true topic, after a while. I like to play off with westkoast on this, because frankly it is about all he can handle, but with the rest of you I see no need. He hardly recognizes how often he acts and answers just like his so-called nemisis, Reality does, you would think he would figure that out. So let's just drop it between us, okay?
As for the real topic here, Ted, let me be upfront about why we are even in this discussion:
Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
Ron Artest is a chest-beating, taunt-screaming, fight-fearing punk. The fact that he can NOT get into another confrontation is moot (and his own fault by the way); he ran from both Boozer and Harpring on the same night. WUSS.
You are calling Artest a coward here, and a guy who backs off confrontation. He did not back down from either Harpring or Boozer in that game, which is quite obvious because HE was the one who got tossed from that game played in Salt Lake City. He will not be given the benefit of the doubt regardless. AND, most importantly, Sloan would take advantage of that, or you really do NOT understand how Jerry views basketball strategy and how best his team can win games> It was THIS slanted view of the events that brought out my response. How could you NOT think I would have something to say about it based on how you worded your post?
You say Harpring is smaller, like being exacly the same height but 14 pounds ligher puts him into a completely different class, but then ignore the fact that Boozer IS bigger then Artest, by two inches and twenty pounds, and you imply Artest "ran" from both, again ignoring the fact that, gee, two against one, as long as the two are Jazz players, makes this somehow a fair confrontation. THEN you get offended by this clearly being what it is, a strategical effort to confront Ron and mix it up with him, probably with the hope that Ron would regress to his previous antagonistic attitude. And to a point, this is what happened.
But to his credit, something that you later belittled, he did not do anything other then get tossed from the game. Something you say is moot, because, gee, YOUR guys got away with the same tactics, but that home court advantage sure kicked in, didn't it? BTW, Ron did not play Harpring or Boozer any differently from how he plays every night.
And, once AWAY from the friendly confines, the Jazz played "tough" basketball at Arco like Develomental League bench players. Artest plays that way no matter if he is at Arco or Salt Lake City, even though he can not confront opponents who try to antagonize him, which clearly then , CAN NOT be a moot point. You can't even come CLOSE to saying the same thing about Boozer or Harpring. So hold the Artest name-calling to what you know about him - he at least plays like a bastard against everyone no matter what arena he is in. Is it a "moot" point to mention your players back down away from home?
I like you, Ted, and always have. But do you honestly think the Jazz players were somehow justified just because it was Artest and not a true "runner", like a Ray Allen? Artest has his faults, but the one you place on him, implying he has fear of ANYONE he plays against, is so blatantly wrong it defies logic.
Blah blah blah! Senile ramblings from an old fool! I would have some respect for you if you would stop collecting SSI checks you old fart! Show Ted some respect, you couldn't handle six teenage wives in your 20's so STFU!
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Ted -
First off, about the age thing, you know and most everyone else knows that the only reason this keeps being thrown my way is because the art of debate is lost on those persons who actually think this is an insult. I earned my years and from this point in my life, it is nothing more then a sad joke on those who pretend otherwise. They can't get to me through legitimate arguement, so they try the personal attack. If I respond in kind, it just gets off the true topic, after a while. I like to play off with westkoast on this, because frankly it is about all he can handle, but with the rest of you I see no need. He hardly recognizes how often he acts and answers just like his so-called nemisis, Reality does, you would think he would figure that out. So let's just drop it between us, okay?
As for the real topic here, Ted, let me be upfront about why we are even in this discussion:
Artest is as much of a fighter as Melo is. He just screams and yells and plays physical, but when a guy with some balls faces him down, he backs away . . . or goes and lays down on the scorer's table where three of his teammates can guard him. I watched Ron Ron back down from Harping this year, and Harp is smaller. Artest is the master of the "c'mon bro hold me back hold me back or I'm gonna kill this guy okay bro he's getting closer pull me back a little faster" move. Whereas, Melo is the master of "dude's bros be holdin' him back, think I'll jack the sucka to show people how much of a bad ass I am what do you mean that makes me a punk bitch foo?" move.
Ron Artest is a chest-beating, taunt-screaming, fight-fearing punk. The fact that he can NOT get into another confrontation is moot (and his own fault by the way); he ran from both Boozer and Harpring on the same night. WUSS.
You are calling Artest a coward here, and a guy who backs off confrontation. He did not back down from either Harpring or Boozer in that game, which is quite obvious because HE was the one who got tossed from that game played in Salt Lake City. He will not be given the benefit of the doubt regardless. AND, most importantly, Sloan would take advantage of that, or you really do NOT understand how Jerry views basketball strategy and how best his team can win games> It was THIS slanted view of the events that brought out my response. How could you NOT think I would have something to say about it based on how you worded your post?
You say Harpring is smaller, like being exacly the same height but 14 pounds ligher puts him into a completely different class, but then ignore the fact that Boozer IS bigger then Artest, by two inches and twenty pounds, and you imply Artest "ran" from both, again ignoring the fact that, gee, two against one, as long as the two are Jazz players, makes this somehow a fair confrontation. THEN you get offended by this clearly being what it is, a strategical effort to confront Ron and mix it up with him, probably with the hope that Ron would regress to his previous antagonistic attitude. And to a point, this is what happened.
But to his credit, something that you later belittled, he did not do anything other then get tossed from the game. Something you say is moot, because, gee, YOUR guys got away with the same tactics, but that home court advantage sure kicked in, didn't it? BTW, Ron did not play Harpring or Boozer any differently from how he plays every night.
And, once AWAY from the friendly confines, the Jazz played "tough" basketball at Arco like Develomental League bench players. Artest plays that way no matter if he is at Arco or Salt Lake City, even though he can not confront opponents who try to antagonize him, which clearly then , CAN NOT be a moot point. You can't even come CLOSE to saying the same thing about Boozer or Harpring. So hold the Artest name-calling to what you know about him - he at least plays like a bastard against everyone no matter what arena he is in. Is it a "moot" point to mention your players back down away from home?
I like you, Ted, and always have. But do you honestly think the Jazz players were somehow justified just because it was Artest and not a true "runner", like a Ray Allen? Artest has his faults, but the one you place on him, implying he has fear of ANYONE he plays against, is so blatantly wrong it defies logic.
Blah blah blah! Senile ramblings from an old fool! I would have some respect for you if you would stop collecting SSI checks you old fart! Show Ted some respect, you couldn't handle six teenage wives in your 20's so STFU!
Admit it, you are impressed and wish you could fart with such authority. And, as Ted would attest, having six teenaged wifes can age you faster then a 'steaming bullet' any day.
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He hardly recognizes how often he acts and answers just like his so-called nemisis, Reality does, you would think he would figure that out. So let's just drop it between us, okay?
Daaaaaanng.
And, once AWAY from the friendly confines, the Jazz played "tough" basketball at Arco like Develomental League bench players.
Now that's just uncalled for! :-\
So hold the Artest name-calling to what you know about him - he at least plays like a bastard against everyone no matter what arena he is in. Is it a "moot" point to mention your players back down away from home?
I do not like Ron Artest. I haven't liked him since he was a Bull and I was still an erstwhile Bull fan. And I'm willing to admit that this distaste for him colors my response--heavily in the case of my Artest = Wuss post. And now that I look back, Artest does deserve some credit for not actually getting in a fight, because he looked ready to have a major meltdown. He was screaming profanities and beating his chest after every single play, even the ones that didn't end in his favor. To me from the sidelines, it looked like he was simply going insane right in front of us. But, again to his credit I guess, when Harpring got in his face after a nice little elbow (from Ron), Artest did not escalate his seeming insanity to face-to-face violence. He probably deserves a little credit and not name calling for that. Because I know for one thing, I wouldn't want to play against Matt Harpring. The guy is too dang physical and knows how to get away with it. I think John Stockton must have tutored him a bit in those last two years.
I like you, Ted, and always have.
And now I am verklempt and genuinely pleased to know you have thought well of me.
I think we have our own burdens to bear here on this board: Yours is your supposed old age. (I think I'd like to see us all run a mile race and see who ends up receiving CPR . . . WoW?) Mine is my supposed plurality of jail-bait wives--I can guarantee you this. There is no flipping way I could ah . . . er . . . service more than one wife.
PS. I think you should go cold turkey on the Bold button there buddy.
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And I'm willing to admit that this distaste for him colors my response--heavily in the case of my Artest = Wuss post.
So you don't like him cause he's black? I KNEW IT! RACIST! I bet none of your 6 wives is darker than a glass of milk!
I give Ron-Ron a wide berth, if someone has a chemical imbalance in their brain it's hard to bash them for it.
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I do not like Ron Artest. I haven't liked him since he was a Bull and I was still an erstwhile Bull fan. And I'm willing to admit that this distaste for him colors my response--heavily in the case of my Artest = Wuss post. And now that I look back, Artest does deserve some credit for not actually getting in a fight, because he looked ready to have a major meltdown. He was screaming profanities and beating his chest after every single play, even the ones that didn't end in his favor. To me from the sidelines, it looked like he was simply going insane right in front of us. But, again to his credit I guess, when Harpring got in his face after a nice little elbow (from Ron), Artest did not escalate his seeming insanity to face-to-face violence. He probably deserves a little credit and not name calling for that. Because I know for one thing, I wouldn't want to play against Matt Harpring. The guy is too dang physical and knows how to get away with it. I think John Stockton must have tutored him a bit in those last two years.
Yeah, your dislike for Artest kind of comes through, there, Ted.
And you should know, that if you had just said that the Jazz players gave back as much as Artest was giving and finally achieved getting Ron-ron kicked out of the game, I would have agreed with you and left it at that.
I like you, Ted, and always have.
And now I am verklempt and genuinely pleased to know you have thought well of me.
I think we have our own burdens to bear here on this board: Yours is your supposed old age. (I think I'd like to see us all run a mile race and see who ends up receiving CPR . . . WoW?) Mine is my supposed plurality of jail-bait wives--I can guarantee you this. There is no flipping way I could ah . . . er . . . service more than one wife.
Well.....it's true.
As for the age thing, I have no issues with BEING old, just with some other posters half my age who are already showing clear signs of senility, such as WOW, who must have a hearing ear dog that only barks a warning to him when Reality or some other poster throws a screeching high ball at him that his other, weakening instincts fail to deflect.
PS. I think you should go cold turkey on the Bold button there buddy.
My one flaw.
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And I'm willing to admit that this distaste for him colors my response--heavily in the case of my Artest = Wuss post.
So you don't like him cause he's black? I KNEW IT! RACIST! I bet none of your 6 wives is darker than a glass of milk!
I give Ron-Ron a wide berth, if someone has a chemical imbalance in their brain it's hard to bash them for it.
I do like fair skin. But then if Halle Berry showed up on my door step and I wasn't married to the most wonderful woman in the world and didn't avoid extra-marital relations of that sort, well . . .
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I do like fair skin. But then if Halle Berry showed up on my door step and I wasn't married to the most wonderful woman in the world and didn't avoid extra-marital relations of that sort, well . . .
Couldn't you just make her number 7? I'm more of a Sanaa Lathan or Gabrielle Union fan. Halle is more of a tan white girl but she does look good.
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JoMal and Ted. U 2 are heartwarming. Aaawwwww. . .
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WOW's off his gord, Halle kills Sanaa and Union. Although the main chick in "Idlewild" was friggin' hot.
. . .yeah I watched "Idlewild". shut up!