A.I. and Webber to reduce salaries

[Reality]

Randy maybe it wasn't just your exuberence over seeing Joes post.
It just did it to me also.

[Joe Vancil]

Reality,

David Robinson *DIDN'T* do it your way.  He took the money - a large chunk of it.  Granted, he did become a role player, but for goodness sake, he wasn't paid "role player" money.

He didn't take "role player" money and back up Shaquille O'Neal in Los Angeles.  He took "star" money and played a role on a team that got swept in 2001.

As for Duncan, don't get me wrong - I'm one of the few folks who will say that Duncan had ABSOLUTELY NO FAULT in the sweep of 2001.  Duncan played an absolutely MASTERFUL series.  He simply didn't have enough help.  My question is with regards to why he didn't accept a MLE and play for the Lakers instead of taking the maximum offer from the Spurs in the summer of 2000?  Wasn't it clear that the Lakers were the superior team at that point?  

As for Webber in 2004, keep in mind that Webber was considered the team's best player.  YES, the Kings were winning without him - but the consensus was that when he came back, the Kings would be JUST THAT MUCH BETTER!  And I guarantee you that I'm not the only one who thought that.

For Webber, it didn't work out, and the Kings tanked.  Even when Webber wasn't on the court.  Webber took the fall for it all, although other folks weren't doing particularly well, either.

Had Duncan not come back at the start of 2001, and San An got off to a great start, would you not put Duncan back in the moment he was available?  Would you not revert to using Duncan as you'd used him before?  I know I would - because we'd be "just that much better."

If you want to blame Webber for choking in 2004, I'm reasonably okay with that.  I personally believe he did a decent job of filling the role laid out for him, but due to the losses and him being the focal point, he has to carry some of the blame for the collapse.  But he came back, and came back into his role.  That's what the team expected him to do.  That's what the fans expected him to do.  That's why he was the Kings' equivalent of Duncan - albeit not as talented as Duncan.

If you took Duncan, put him in Webber's situation, Duncan would do the same thing that Webber did.  The only question is whether or not he'd be successful whereas Webber failed.

But Webber did his best to earn his contract - to carry the load that he was designated to carry.  I won't fault him for that.  He didn't want to sit the bench and be a multi-million dollar seat-warmer, like Dikembe Mutombo.  He wanted to help.  He wanted to do his part.

I'm not about to fault *ANY* player for that.

But if Webber had just sat the bench and done nothing, you can be sure that IF HE WERE ABLE TO PLAY, I'd *DEFINITELY* fault him for *THAT*.




 

[Reality]

Reality,

David Robinson *DIDN'T* do it your way.  He took the money - a large chunk of it.  Granted, he did become a role player, but for goodness sake, he wasn't paid "role player" money.

He didn't take "role player" money and back up Shaquille O'Neal in Los Angeles.  He took "star" money and played a role on a team that got swept in 2001.

As for Duncan, don't get me wrong - I'm one of the few folks who will say that Duncan had ABSOLUTELY NO FAULT in the sweep of 2001.  Duncan played an absolutely MASTERFUL series.  He simply didn't have enough help.  My question is with regards to why he didn't accept a MLE and play for the Lakers instead of taking the maximum offer from the Spurs in the summer of 2000?  Wasn't it clear that the Lakers were the superior team at that point?  

As for Webber in 2004, keep in mind that Webber was considered the team's best player.  YES, the Kings were winning without him - but the consensus was that when he came back, the Kings would be JUST THAT MUCH BETTER!  And I guarantee you that I'm not the only one who thought that.

For Webber, it didn't work out, and the Kings tanked.  Even when Webber wasn't on the court.  Webber took the fall for it all, although other folks weren't doing particularly well, either.

Had Duncan not come back at the start of 2001, and San An got off to a great start, would you not put Duncan back in the moment he was available?  Would you not revert to using Duncan as you'd used him before?  I know I would - because we'd be "just that much better."

If you want to blame Webber for choking in 2004, I'm reasonably okay with that.  I personally believe he did a decent job of filling the role laid out for him, but due to the losses and him being the focal point, he has to carry some of the blame for the collapse.  But he came back, and came back into his role.  That's what the team expected him to do.  That's what the fans expected him to do.  That's why he was the Kings' equivalent of Duncan - albeit not as talented as Duncan.

If you took Duncan, put him in Webber's situation, Duncan would do the same thing that Webber did.  The only question is whether or not he'd be successful whereas Webber failed.

But Webber did his best to earn his contract - to carry the load that he was designated to carry.  I won't fault him for that.  He didn't want to sit the bench and be a multi-million dollar seat-warmer, like Dikembe Mutombo.  He wanted to help.  He wanted to do his part.

I'm not about to fault *ANY* player for that.

But if Webber had just sat the bench and done nothing, you can be sure that IF HE WERE ABLE TO PLAY, I'd *DEFINITELY* fault him for *THAT*.

Absolutely DR only did it 1/2 my way in the 03 Title year.  Reduced but vital role, but still pulled star bucks.  And i was hooting for his trade value or salary and role reduction in 00 01 02, but no takers plus the Elliot career cut short so front line problems.

Duncan I would trust more, for the exact reasons that actually happened.  Duncan is better then Webber, also Duncans charachter is such he would not pull what the Kings mgment, Adleman and Webber pulled in 04.  Webbers injury was such you could obviously tell he was not the same.  Plus the Spurs have never rocked and rolled minus Duncan* as well as the Kings did when Webber was out.  For 40+ games!  Dunker would not do that to a Spurs team that ripped off a 40-10 run, or if he was that injured and hurting his teams play and costing the Spurs losses, he would accept a reduced role.  Until he was better.  I honestly believe that.

*The Spurs did have a great mini run when Dunker was out in 03-04 for 10 games.  Due in 99.99% part that Pop-O-repress let go, released and let the Spurs play open flow offense.  TurkeyGlue came alive on 3s, they rocked.

No way was it clear the Lakers were better after 00 thus Dunker need to abandon Spurs ship and become a GlitterBum.  Dunker knew Gnobili was on the way (sooner or later) and he shared with me his belief that GNob was going to be a top notch NBA player.  Plus the greasy prayer of the Lakers slithering past the '00 Dunleavy Blazers combined with Shaun Elliots outage was more like the greasy escapes of past ie Len Bias dying, Mychael Thomson coming over in another of many shady marketing forced *trades* and thus the 87 title fluking their way.

Allan Houston, Pippen in his final year with Blazers....waste of salary and hurting team and teamates big time.  Can't wait to see what Larry Brown does with Houston.  Also if Larry will get Stephon Marbury to share and play well.  If anyone could do it, Larry will.  Or we will get to see a millionaire selfISH player sit on his butt.  I predict.

[WayOutWest]

Dunker need to abandon Spurs ship and become a GlitterBum.  Dunker knew Gnobili was on the way (sooner or later) and he shared with me his belief that GNob was going to be a top notch NBA player.  Plus the greasy prayer of the Lakers slithering past the '00 Dunleavy Blazers combined with Shaun Elliots outage was more like the greasy escapes of past ie Len Bias dying, Mychael Thomson coming over in another of many shady marketing forced *trades* and thus the 87 title fluking their way.

You pretty much lose credibility with this paragraph.

Duncan should NOT take a CHANCE with G-Nob, he should take the sure thing with Shaq and Kobe in 2002.  After 2001 the Lakers CLEARLY showed they were one of the greatest teams of all time let alone their current era.  TD, by your logic, should have immediately jumped on the Laker championship train after the Lakers dominated the 2001 playoffs to the tune of 15-1.  The Lakers with TD playing PF would have been racking up titles to this day, even with Shaq departing to Miami the Lakers would still be the favorites with Kobe and TD.

Mychael Thompson did exactly what you wanted.  Took a starter from a team who was not in real contention for a title and traded him to perenial title team, one of the greatest off all time if not THE greatest, and he was a BACKUP ROLE player.

You are arguing with yourself.  According to you Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, T-Mac and Kevin Garnett should ALL be Lakers since they signed their current big dollar deals durring the Lakers championship dominance.  I would have been happy with just TD and KG, but your way of thinking gives the Lakers a much better second string.

[Guest_Randy]

Dunker need to abandon Spurs ship and become a GlitterBum.  Dunker knew Gnobili was on the way (sooner or later) and he shared with me his belief that GNob was going to be a top notch NBA player.  Plus the greasy prayer of the Lakers slithering past the '00 Dunleavy Blazers combined with Shaun Elliots outage was more like the greasy escapes of past ie Len Bias dying, Mychael Thomson coming over in another of many shady marketing forced *trades* and thus the 87 title fluking their way.

You pretty much lose credibility with this paragraph.

Duncan should NOT take a CHANCE with G-Nob, he should take the sure thing with Shaq and Kobe in 2002.  After 2001 the Lakers CLEARLY showed they were one of the greatest teams of all time let alone their current era.  TD, by your logic, should have immediately jumped on the Laker championship train after the Lakers dominated the 2001 playoffs to the tune of 15-1.  The Lakers with TD playing PF would have been racking up titles to this day, even with Shaq departing to Miami the Lakers would still be the favorites with Kobe and TD.

Mychael Thompson did exactly what you wanted.  Took a starter from a team who was not in real contention for a title and traded him to perenial title team, one of the greatest off all time if not THE greatest, and he was a BACKUP ROLE player.

You are arguing with yourself.  According to you Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, T-Mac and Kevin Garnett should ALL be Lakers since they signed their current big dollar deals durring the Lakers championship dominance.  I would have been happy with just TD and KG, but your way of thinking gives the Lakers a much better second string.

You pretty much lose credibility with this paragraph.

WOW, when did Reality ever have credibility?  Esp. when a thread even comes close to mentioning the Lakers.

You are arguing with yourself.  According to you Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, T-Mac and Kevin Garnett should ALL be Lakers since they signed their current big dollar deals durring the Lakers championship dominance.  I would have been happy with just TD and KG, but your way of thinking gives the Lakers a much better second string.

You guys have to realize that Reality's philosophy here NEVER applies to the Lakers -- in fact, he wouldn't even trot out this philosophy if the Lakers were currently a top contender.

However, you do also have to appreciate the position that Reality is in:

We all know that he has jumped on the Spurs bandwagon (even the Spurs fans call him a bandwagon fan).

You must realize the tenuous position this puts him in (i.e. the real reason for his current philosophy) -- let me put it this way:  the Spurs WILL eventually go through a rebuilding phase (as soon as TD retires); and because the Spurs no longer being are a top team means he will have to jump to yet ANOTHER bandwagon and he doesn't want all of us to see his NEXT bandwagon jump (and we all know he won't stick to a team that isn't on top).  So his fix to the whole scenario is for the Spurs to draw every top superstar in the league so that he never has to jump off the bandwagon.

Of course, we all know that this isn't going to happen -- the Spurs WILL have a rebuilding period after TD is gone and Reality will have to jump to another bandwagon right in front of our eyes!!!   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  

[rickortreat]

Philadelphia has some of the rudest people you've ever met?  Yo, ever been to Jersey?  Frankly I allways though people from Indiana were the biggest assholes I ever met, but what do I know.

At least in Philadelphia they tell you how they feel.  They don't smile at you then stab you in the back like the scum in Texas.  

[Reality]

Duncan should NOT take a CHANCE with G-Nob, he should take the sure thing with Shaq and Kobe in 2002.  After 2001 the Lakers CLEARLY showed they were one of the greatest teams of all time let alone their current era.  TD, by your logic, should have immediately jumped on the Laker championship train after the Lakers dominated the 2001 playoffs to the tune of 15-1.  The Lakers with TD playing PF would have been racking up titles to this day, even with Shaq departing to Miami the Lakers would still be the favorites with Kobe and TD.

Mychael Thompson did exactly what you wanted.  Took a starter from a team who was not in real contention for a title and traded him to perenial title team, one of the greatest off all time if not THE greatest, and he was a BACKUP ROLE player.

 

He sure shouldn't have.  GNob joins and bam, 1st year title.  Titles in '03 and '05 clearly showed the Fakers were not even close to being the best of all time.  Gift given Malone and Pouton and they still couldn't title. :rofl:

TD with Kobme?  Who knows what jealous contentions Kobme would have come up with playing second fiddle to TD.  Only non Laker posters. :nod:

<Mychael Thompson did exactly what you wanted.>
Yes sort of.  In fact "yes".  Except that its barfy who San Antone accepted for giving up Thompson.  Can you name that tune?  I'll give you 1 month.  2 months.  4 months.
Along with such other barfers as Kareem for _____.  Magic Marketer for _____.
Not to mention the 87 Lakers playing the most wussified West Conf of all time.
Cotton Undies Fitzimonns lost something like 35 of 37 to Fakerville.
Lenny bias dying was your ticket.  I had you quoting that the Celts would have won at least the 87 or 88 title with Bias.  Old board.  

Kings in 2002.
Spurs 03.  
Greasy .04 prayer before getting run by the Pistons in 04.
SAS n Gnob in 05.

Greatest team my ass.

[Reality]

You must realize the tenuous position this puts him in (i.e. the real reason for his current philosophy) -- let me put it this way:  the Spurs WILL eventually go through a rebuilding phase (as soon as TD retires); and because the Spurs no longer being are a top team means he will have to jump to yet ANOTHER bandwagon and he doesn't want all of us to see his NEXT bandwagon jump (and we all know he won't stick to a team that isn't on top).  So his fix to the whole scenario is for the Spurs to draw every top superstar in the league so that he never has to jump off the bandwagon.

Of course, we all know that this isn't going to happen -- the Spurs WILL have a rebuilding period after TD is gone and Reality will have to jump to another bandwagon right in front of our eyes!!!   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

I'll still be picking winners in advance and you'll still be twistin in the wind.

For here and now tho, woohoo bring on 2006!  For those of us who saw it coming, it should be sweet.

[Guest]

He sure shouldn't have. GNob joins and bam, 1st year title. Titles in '03 and '05 clearly showed the Fakers were not even close to being the best of all time. Gift given Malone and Pouton and they still couldn't title. 

Hmm, first you think that EVERY superstar should do exactly what Malone and GP did (join a top team) but then you call it a "gift."  Which is it, Reality?  It's NOT a gift according to your philosphy -- it's what every star and superstar in the league SHOULD do -- so you need to make up your mind -- which one is it?  The right thing to do or a gift?  

Kings in 2002.
Spurs 03.
Greasy .04 prayer before getting run by the Pistons in 04.
SAS n Gnob in 05.

Greatest team my ass.

The Lakers championship run was one of the best in NBA history in '01!  How can you deflect that?

The Kings didn't win 2002 -- the Lakers did!

As for the "greasy .04 prayer" -- why do you ONLY remember that shot as a prayer?  Why don't you remember the prayer thrown in by TD seconds before?  TD was WAYYY beyond the FT line (we remember how well he does there, don't we?) and he was off-balance in addition to being far beyond his range (had to be to get the shot off because Shaq was actually playing D out that far).  I don't have a problem with you calling Fish's shot a .4 prayer -- however, you are showing your bias by not admitting the shot by TD before hand was also a prayer.
However, it's not like the series was over at that point -- the Spurs STILL had a chance going to LA still leading the series, correct?  The problem is that the Lakers BEAT them in LA -- soundly!  You want to make it all about one shot -- the Lakers didn't beat the Spurs in just one game -- they beat them 4 times in a row -- you don't do that simply because of a "greasy .04 prayer" -- you do that because you WERE the better team!!!


One of the things that you need to realize, Reality -- is that the best team ALWAYS wins a series.  If you want to begin making excuses why the weren't the best team that year -- then not only do you taint the champion for that particular year but you taint EVERY champion EVERY year, IMO.  I don't expect a bandwagon fan like you to understand that -- esp. when it has ANYTHING to do with the Lakers.

[Guest_Randy]

You must realize the tenuous position this puts him in (i.e. the real reason for his current philosophy) -- let me put it this way:  the Spurs WILL eventually go through a rebuilding phase (as soon as TD retires); and because the Spurs no longer being are a top team means he will have to jump to yet ANOTHER bandwagon and he doesn't want all of us to see his NEXT bandwagon jump (and we all know he won't stick to a team that isn't on top).  So his fix to the whole scenario is for the Spurs to draw every top superstar in the league so that he never has to jump off the bandwagon.

Of course, we all know that this isn't going to happen -- the Spurs WILL have a rebuilding period after TD is gone and Reality will have to jump to another bandwagon right in front of our eyes!!!   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

I'll still be picking winners in advance and you'll still be twistin in the wind.

For here and now tho, woohoo bring on 2006!  For those of us who saw it coming, it should be sweet.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Picking winners in advance?   :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

That's the FUNNIEST thing that I have EVER heard!!!

How hard was it to pick the Spurs with TD and DRob back when you jumped on their bandwagon?  They were one of the TOP TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE!!!  How is that "picking" winners?  

That's like bandwagon fans jumping on board with Shaq and Kobe in '01 and saying "hey, I picked a winner!!!"  

That's like me saying "hey, I picked Tiger Woods to win the Masters."  

Yeah, that takes REAL basketball savvy, doesn't it?

The Spurs with TD were going to be a top team for YEARS to come!!!  Notice that the Spurs HAVEN'T been the top team every year you said they were going to be, huh?  What does that do for you "picking winners in advance."  You didn't jump on the Spurs bandwagon when they were rebuilding -- you jumped on it AFTER the Spurs drafted TD and added him to a team that had one a championship years before -- that didn't take a lot of prognosticating, did it?  

That's like people saying "Detroit might have a shot this year!"  

Keep dreaming, bandwagonner!!!

[Reality]

He sure shouldn't have. GNob joins and bam, 1st year title. Titles in '03 and '05 clearly showed the Fakers were not even close to being the best of all time. Gift given Malone and Pouton and they still couldn't title. 

Hmm, first you think that EVERY superstar


The Lakers championship run was one of the best in NBA history in '01!  How can you deflect that?

The Kings didn't win 2002 -- the Lakers did!

 

Never had said EVERY superstar should jump.  
Did say a lot more should pursue a title over money.  And how would I know Shaq himself would do a bit of that with his one year reduction for the upcoming 2005-6.

Malone and Payton coming over for minimum?  A gift.  Do I wish a good PF would have come over to the Spurs for '04?  Yes.

2001 Lakers one of the best?  I misread that, figured WOW was on the continuing Laker chant and setting up incense and trancing about the 3 peat.  A misread by me, sorry.  '01 Lakers could very well make the top 10.  Since they had the same players back wonder why it ended after 01.  Well, i don't wonder i know.

[Reality]

How hard was it to pick the Spurs with TD and DRob back when you jumped on their bandwagon?  They were one of the TOP TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE!!!  How is that "picking" winners?  

 

Apparantly pretty hard as in reading Krishna posts prior to 2003 the Spurs had no chance against Lakers.  I called out GNob in 2001 tho.  

Nor the '04 MOOAT Lakers.  You blow hards gave no opponent a chance.

Bitter twisting is not a pretty thing to see.

I know Randy, that some day I will be able to help you use your free will.  Pick some winners in advance.  Don't bandwagon.

I'm keeping a pair of form fitting Spurs undies ready for you and all the Laker posters.

 

[WayOutWest]

He sure shouldn't have.  GNob joins and bam, 1st year title.  Titles in '03 and '05 clearly showed the Fakers were not even close to being the best of all time.  Gift given Malone and Pouton and they still couldn't title. :rofl:

According to your logic TD should not have waited that long.  He should have gone to the Lakers in 02.  G-Nob or not, he wasn't the difference in their first title run, not to mention he was unproven, so TD, by YOUR logic, should have been on the Lakers already.

TD with Kobme?  Who knows what jealous contentions Kobme would have come up with playing second fiddle to TD.  Only non Laker posters. :nod:

TD is a much bigger man than Shaq and Kobe, TD would have handled the Laker drama much better.  In fact I think TD would respect Kobe's work ethic and welcome Kobe taking the pressure shots, we saw as recently as this years Conf finals AND finals, how TD can wilt under pressure and dissappear.  Kobe doesn't and that combo would be as deadly as Shaq/Kobe.

<Mychael Thompson did exactly what you wanted.>
Yes sort of.  In fact "yes".  Except that its barfy who San Antone accepted for giving up Thompson.  Can you name that tune?  I'll give you 1 month.  2 months.  4 months.
Along with such other barfers as Kareem for _____.  Magic Marketer for _____.

They got two 6'10 players, a PF and C, Schayes and I don't remember the other guy but the "other" guy was a decent prospect who didn't work out.  The reasont he Lakers made that trade because they gave up trying to out bang and muscle the Celts and Rockets and decided to just run their legs of.

Not to mention the 87 Lakers playing the most wussified West Conf of all time.
Cotton Undies Fitzimonns lost something like 35 of 37 to Fakerville.
Lenny bias dying was your ticket.  I had you quoting that the Celts would have won at least the 87 or 88 title with Bias.  Old board. 

No doubt I still think the 87 Celts could be the greatest team of all time but that post was before the 2001 Laker playoff run, IMO that was the greates playoff team of all time.  There is no team IMO that could beat that Laker team in a 7 game series.  Len Bias along with Reggie Williams would have made a great complitment to Bird and McHale but it never happened and who knows if Bias would have adjusted to the speed of the NBA.

Kings in 2002.
Spurs 03. 
Greasy .04 prayer before getting run by the Pistons in 04.
SAS n Gnob in 05.

Kings in 2002 lost because of FT's.  The Kings shot more FT's in the series than the Lakers and still lost.  There is no way for a ref, commissioner or men in black can interfere with a Kings player shooting a FT.  Plain and simple they just missed and it cost them a championship.

Greatest team my ass.

They were clearly the greatest team of their era and arguable all era's.  Clearly TD should have been a Laker in the summer of 01.  You cannot argue that conclusion to your line of thinking.

[JoMal]

Philadelphia has some of the rudest people you've ever met?  Yo, ever been to Jersey?  Frankly I allways though people from Indiana were the biggest assholes I ever met, but what do I know.

At least in Philadelphia they tell you how they feel.  They don't smile at you then stab you in the back like the scum in Texas.

Have I been to Jersey? I lived in Jersey. For several years I was a resident of Cinnaminson and Pennsauken. Originally, though, I am from Hazelton, Pa.

But I was first a fan of the Baltimore teams, not Philadelphia's - especially the Orioles, a team that I still follow. I attended a game at Camden Yards back in May.

But having lived in Northern California now for so many years, the A's, Raiders/Niners, and of course the Kings supercede any old affiliations I used to have.

Never could figure out why Philadelphians were always so pissed off. You are right in that they will tell you how they feel to your face and not smile and shake your hand, then do something underhanded. The only problem, is, they only seem to feel mad at everything, so they will gladly tell you to your face they despise you and the shoes you walked in with, but I never heard any one ever say, "Hey, nice tie, dude". More like, "You wear dat tie in 'ere one more time, I'll strangle you wit it!!"

[Guest_Randy]

He sure shouldn't have. GNob joins and bam, 1st year title. Titles in '03 and '05 clearly showed the Fakers were not even close to being the best of all time. Gift given Malone and Pouton and they still couldn't title. 

Hmm, first you think that EVERY superstar


The Lakers championship run was one of the best in NBA history in '01!  How can you deflect that?

The Kings didn't win 2002 -- the Lakers did!

 

Never had said EVERY superstar should jump.  
Did say a lot more should pursue a title over money.  And how would I know Shaq himself would do a bit of that with his one year reduction for the upcoming 2005-6.

Malone and Payton coming over for minimum?  A gift.  Do I wish a good PF would have come over to the Spurs for '04?  Yes.

2001 Lakers one of the best?  I misread that, figured WOW was on the continuing Laker chant and setting up incense and trancing about the 3 peat.  A misread by me, sorry.  '01 Lakers could very well make the top 10.  Since they had the same players back wonder why it ended after 01.  Well, i don't wonder i know.

Never had said EVERY superstar should jump. 
Did say a lot more should pursue a title over money.  And how would I know Shaq himself would do a bit of that with his one year reduction for the upcoming 2005-6.

Umm, you should go back and read your rants:

Randolph and all who would NOT like the NBA if players would pursue a title instead of self. HA!

KG slidin over to the Spurs.
Ray Allen, A Stoudamire to the Heat. (Randy since you cant grasp this, imagine these two becoming Glitter Marketers. Pick a point guard since RA is no where near Kobadiah in your mind)
A.I. taking minimal for the Pistons. (Okay 'bods BenWa, Prince and 'Sheed to Philly for salaries that fit.)
Indy picking up Lebron and Z.
Whooo baby bring on those playoffs.
Oh there would be some boring regular season games. And some kick arse Playoffs and finals.

Malone and Payton coming over for minimum?  A gift.  Do I wish a good PF would have come over to the Spurs for '04?  Yes.

I guess when you can't support your posts with facts, you just choose to make up new information?  Malone signed for the veterans minimum -- GP didn't sign for the minimum -- he signed for more than that.

2001 Lakers one of the best? I misread that, figured WOW was on the continuing Laker chant and setting up incense and trancing about the 3 peat. A misread by me, sorry. '01 Lakers could very well make the top 10. Since they had the same players back wonder why it ended after 01. Well, i don't wonder i know.

Congrats on learning to read -- I highly recommend you try it more often, it would be a welcomed relief around here!  

Apparantly pretty hard as in reading Krishna posts prior to 2003 the Spurs had no chance against Lakers. I called out GNob in 2001 tho.

Nor the '04 MOOAT Lakers. You blow hards gave no opponent a chance.

Bitter twisting is not a pretty thing to see.

I know Randy, that some day I will be able to help you use your free will. Pick some winners in advance. Don't bandwagon.

I'm keeping a pair of form fitting Spurs undies ready for you and all the Laker posters.

Go ahead and show me where "blowhard gave no opponent a chance."  I'm waiting!

Come on, I'm still waiting!!!  Let's see who is twisting!!!  I want to see the posts of those who said that SA had no chance in '04!!!

Umm, Reality, I hate to tell you this but most picked the Spurs to win the championship this year.  I still think Miami had a real shot at beating the Spurs (would have beat the Pistons, IMO) if Wade hadn't gone down.  But injuries are part of the game.  

But as for "picking a winnner" -- please spare us the Reality guru crap -- it didn't take a great prognosticator to determine that a team with TD (and DRob in the beginning) is going to win some championships!  The Spurs were destined just BECAUSE of choosing TD (in addition to their current squad) to be a top contender!  

But as for "picking a winner" -- if that is TRULY the case here -- then I would say that you HAVEN'T done that well.  Let's see -- when did you jump over into the Spur bandwagon?  Probably in 1999 with all the other Bull's bandwagon fans -- TD was already in the league for a couple of years by then and the Spurs were already a top team.  So in the 7 years that you've been a bandwagon Spurs fan, the Spurs have won 3 titles.  Hmm, LA has won as many titles in that time but I picked a loser and you picked a winner?  Perhaps you can help with the math on that.  

But it doesn' take a SMART basketball fan to jump on a bandwagon of a team that is already in the top of the league -- that doesn't take a lot of tremendous basketball knowledge -- it just takes a lack of character to jump on the bandwagon and beat their chest like they've been a fan all along.  I know, we always had bandwagon fans show up jumping on the bandwagon and thumping their chest about how good "their team was."  I can't consider someone a fan of a team that just supports them during their heyday at the top of the league.  That isn't a fan of a team -- it's just a bandwagon fan that, when rebuilding happens, they jump to another team to thump their chest and declare "just how smart they were for picking a team that sportscasters are also choosing."  

You should be proud of yourself, Reality!!!