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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2005, 05:14:55 PM »
I can't believe this thread has gone on this long.  It's not even a contest.  Kobe is a complete player and one of the best in the game.  Ginobli isn't comparable in terms of the attention he draws, his abiltiy to shut down an opponent, make spectacular shots or anything else.

People compare Kobe with players like MJ and Doc from the past and sets the standard for T-Mac and the other 2's and 3's.  Ginobli isn't the standard setter.  How many kids out there dream of being the next Manu?   :rolleyes:  

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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2005, 05:22:08 PM »
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You didn't vote Jomal.  Who would you rather have on your team?
So far its JoeV and I making 2 for GNob.
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I'm supposed to vote? My :moon:

You know, Kobe is a terrific talent and no question has skills which can only improve the team he is on. But there is something about him that does not sit just right with me to say he is the franchise player who you might want to build your team around. There is an intangible element that prevents me from immediately jumping on his bandwagon and declaring him over Ginobili.

Ginobili is active and disruptive. He can pressure the other team on both ends of the court. But he is not the all star Kobe is, no question.

Still, adding a player like Manu to your squad cuts into the needs of your team in so many ways.

With Kobe, you start wondering if he is cutting that player out, building a clique with this other player, media-feuding with another player.... and just who was that woman he was seen around town with the other night? Some who saw him claim it was not his wife. Others support him for having a life off the court. And why does he need to have the team pay for that charter flight to his court dates? Oops... looks like he lost one of his lucrative endorsements. Uh, oh.... during a timeout in the game last night, Kobe turned his back on Tomjanovich and people near the huddle claim Kobe dissed Rudy and told his teammates to ignore that play and let him run it his way instead. But others say there was no misunderstanding and Rudy was completely cool with the way Kobe showed leadership. Kobe still wants Malone back, if Karl will sit at the other end of the bench and put blinders on so he won't be looking at the missus. He demands a double-team and wants that ball in his hands for the last second short. Missed that one? <shrug> "Those things happen. I will want to take that shot again and I will get it next time".

You know, I've got issues, but COME ON!!

Thinking of Manu in a King's uniform makes me smile a little bit; thinking of Kobe in a King's uniform makes me smile a lot....then smile a bit defensively....then shrug and smile.......then squint and think of how intrusive the fans of other teams can get when he says something that was off the cuff and taken the wrong way.....then declare he is a great team leader to those in doubt and raise my voice a bit to convince these dolts that it is obviously true.....then angrily compare his stats to those of any other player in the same position...... then feel relieved when the game last night was controlled by Kobe and the team wins with his outstanding play...... then cringe when he shoots a last-second rim-rattler the next night in a close loss, even though Odom was open underneath.

Then go on the Internet chat room that night and insist he is the best player in the NBA since sliced bread......er......Michael Jordan.

>whew!!>
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2005, 05:26:02 PM »
Hold on a minute, there.

I'd rather have Manu as a teammate.  No doubt about it.

I'd rather have Manu that Kobe on the Spurs.  The contrary view would be feasible, however.

Kobe's the better player.  No doubt about it.

If I had to build around ONE and ONLY ONE of these guys, I know that Kobe's up to the task.  Don't know about Ginobilli.  Give me some other players, and I'll let you know, though.  Neither of these guys would be the kind of player I'd WANT to build my team around;  I'd want a Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, etc.

If I had to watch one of them every game, I'd take Manu.  I like hustle players.

Hope that clarifies my position.


 
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2005, 08:15:43 PM »
JoeV your post makes perfect Realistic sense.  Purpose of thread was not to have everyone pick GNob but see who has a clue.  That Kobe has more skills I can go with at this point in time.  GNob is getting better.  Not sure Kobme is.  "Player" includes a lot of things.  Tell me what kind of a great player gets his ass handed to him and pouts and refuses to get the ball to Shraq like KobeIdol did v Pistons.  But of course he is sooooo much better then the Piston guards.

For all the dogmatics who insist Kobadiah is soooo much better, i guess the LA Flamers with not only the great and powerful Kobe but Shaq, Malone, Payton, the 4 Hall of Flamers the blow hards insisted were much better then the Pistons who had NO chance.
Have a cup.  

Likewise to those who do not include intangibles GNob brings such as steals, ability to fit in with team etc, fine go praise Kobe.  He's .500 in his career without Shraq.  Where he goes from here with his dream to be like Mike, i dont know.  

rt Kobadiah is no where near MJ or The Doc at this point.

Jomal great 1st post.  After that.....Randy...er Bart Simpson.....er.....if you...... dont want...... to ......vote, ..........fine dont.  

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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2005, 09:29:36 PM »
Well, in terms of being a team player  no he isn't.  But Kobe has more NBA rings than Doc, and he got them at a yonger age than MJ (with Shaq).

But ego is a very hard thing for an athlete to conquer.  Doc did, but not getting championships for so many yearas will do that to you.  I'm not sure MJ ever mastered his ego, the boys in DC certainly weren't impressed!

I would say that Phil Jackson was the one who was able to keep Kobe and Shaq together for long enough to win those championships.  A task many coaches may not be up to.  Larry Brown comes to mind as one who's own ego was so great that he could not.  Already there are signs that the Pistons and getting a little pissed at Larry's critical comments.  Phil probably bailed on the Lakers for that reason.  Kobe is soooo full of himself that he knows everything and thinks all he needs our role players on his team to get back to the Championship.

In MJ's era there weren't too many great Centers, and not enough decent teams to keep him from winning.  Today's NBA is different (Thank Heaven!) and a superalative 2 surrounded by role players won't get it done, no matter how much the refs kiss his butt.

Kobe is a better player, and the ego nonsense requires a strong coach (Not Rudy T., IMO)  I say if you have a good coach that won't back down and demands that Kobe play within his system, then you take Kobe to build a team around.  Frankly, I wouldn't take either he or Ginobli to start a franchise.  I'd take Timmy D. over any of them now.  


A few years of stuggle might be all it takes for Kobe to realize that he's playing a team sport, and he has to put the team ahead of his own goals to be successful.  Maybe I'm making too light of his narcissism, but many players are too full of themselves in all sports these days, as are business leaders and politicians.  Signs of a corrupt and decaying culture I'm afraid.  They want us to do this  :hail:   :moon:  while they do that.

It makes me want to  :puke:

It's only a stupid game for Heaven's sake.  In the grand scheme of things, it means nothing.  But people make them into hero's and make themselves into fools in the process  :crazy:

Even so, I think Kobe would win more games on any team you put him on instead of Ginobli.  But I do wish he'd gain a little more maturity and become a better human being.  

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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2005, 09:36:25 PM »
Reality, you are SUCH an idiot -- you don't even REALIZE what most people are even saying in this thread, you are so blinded by hatred for Kobe and the Lakers.  

Manu is a good player -- will he be a great player?  That is yet to be seen -- he probably will have to prove it on a team that doesn't have TD -- many days Manu isn't even the second option on the team but the third (he and Parker go back and forth on who is the second option on nights) and yet you want to compare him to Kobe who IS carrying the Lakers?  

Kobe demands double teams -- Manu doesn't.

As for steals, Manu is like 1/2 a steal per game higher than Kobe -- and that half a steal is based on having TD in the middle -- it means that Manu can gamble more.  

This is a REALLY stupid thread -- and you are trying to twist peoples words to support your own prejudism.

Your initial thesis:  Which player would you build a team around -- Manu or Kobe.  It ISN'T about who is the better team player -- that's NOT your thesis -- your thesis is which is a better player to build a team around.  

Kobe IS a player to build a team around.

Manu is a player you use once you have a player to build a team around.

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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2005, 10:04:06 AM »
I wouldn't even consider Manu to build a team around, given the choice betwen Manu and Kobe and it's no contest.  Sounds like everyone except Reality agrees.

IMO Manu will never be a franchise player.  Franchise guys that play the back court have always had the ability to score despite incredible defense.  Kobe and T-Mac can both shot the jumper with some one in their face becaue they can rise over the defender, Manu cannot.  Manu needs space or help to get his shot off, Kobe and T-Mac can actually tell their defender "I'm going to pull up and shoot a jumper" and most defenders can't do anything about it.  Manu can drive because you respect his jumper but he can't just pull up for a last second shot with a defender in his jersey.  Kinda like Kareems sky hook, you know it's comming but theirs nothing you can do about it.


His D isn't anything to make taco's about either.

 
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2005, 10:18:47 AM »
For the love a...


Reality, there is more to take into account than one 48 point game.  IMO manu will have his jersey raised to the rafters one day - becaus he is a great hustle player.  but franchise player???  

come on, fantasy NBA next year, you mean to tell me that if it were between manu and kobe, and it's your selection, you mean to tell me YOU would take Manu???

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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2005, 10:22:37 AM »
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For the love a...


Reality, there is more to take into account than one 48 point game.  IMO manu will have his jersey raised to the rafters one day - becaus he is a great hustle player.  but franchise player???  

come on, fantasy NBA next year, you mean to tell me that if it were between manu and kobe, and it's your selection, you mean to tell me YOU would take Manu???

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2005, 09:51:06 AM »
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For the love a...


Reality, there is more to take into account than one 48 point game.  IMO manu will have his jersey raised to the rafters one day - becaus he is a great hustle player.  but franchise player??? 

come on, fantasy NBA next year, you mean to tell me that if it were between manu and kobe, and it's your selection, you mean to tell me YOU would take Manu???

 :crazy:
Hey Patrick,

Did you hear about the Christian nuts getting offended by Sponge Bob and you holding hands too much?

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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2005, 11:44:27 PM »
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For the love a...


Reality, there is more to take into account than one 48 point game.  IMO manu will have his jersey raised to the rafters one day - becaus he is a great hustle player.  but franchise player???  

come on, fantasy NBA next year, you mean to tell me that if it were between manu and kobe, and it's your selection, you mean to tell me YOU would take Manu???

 :crazy:
I think Kobadiah is better at this moment.  Not sure how long it will last tho.
The gap is nowhere near as vast as Krishna Nation swallows.

Kobe and Lakers were soo much better then Pistons.  Who won?
What all entails in being a better "player".  Kobe at times can look like MJ.  Other times he dribbles 14 times in the halfcourt set and forces up a clanker.

Get a Flamer to answer that Pistons q. and Ill buy you both a cup.*

*Your cup will vary signifigantly from theirs. :D  :nod:  

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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2005, 01:24:11 AM »
Perfect example tonight....

Manu plays very well (great hustle I might add) but his MONSTER game according to the sportscasters is a 25 6 and 3 game.  30 6 and 5 is expected of Kobe.  That right there sums it up.
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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2005, 09:17:07 AM »
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For the love a...


Reality, there is more to take into account than one 48 point game.  IMO manu will have his jersey raised to the rafters one day - becaus he is a great hustle player.  but franchise player??? 

come on, fantasy NBA next year, you mean to tell me that if it were between manu and kobe, and it's your selection, you mean to tell me YOU would take Manu???

 :crazy:
I think Kobadiah is better at this moment.  Not sure how long it will last tho.
The gap is nowhere near as vast as Krishna Nation swallows.

Kobe and Lakers were soo much better then Pistons.  Who won?
What all entails in being a better "player".  Kobe at times can look like MJ.  Other times he dribbles 14 times in the halfcourt set and forces up a clanker.

Get a Flamer to answer that Pistons q. and Ill buy you both a cup.*

*Your cup will vary signifigantly from theirs. :D  :nod:
First, it's time for a little REALITY check -- it's NOT just Laker fans who are telling you your assessment is idiotic -- go back and check it, there isn't ANYONE on this board who agrees with you!

Also, I don't know any Laker fan who would compare Kobe with MJ either!  Kobe isn't as good as MJ was.

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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2005, 03:30:22 PM »
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For the love a...


Reality, there is more to take into account than one 48 point game.  IMO manu will have his jersey raised to the rafters one day - becaus he is a great hustle player.  but franchise player??? 

come on, fantasy NBA next year, you mean to tell me that if it were between manu and kobe, and it's your selection, you mean to tell me YOU would take Manu???

 :crazy:
I think Kobadiah is better at this moment.  Not sure how long it will last tho.
The gap is nowhere near as vast as Krishna Nation swallows.

Kobe and Lakers were soo much better then Pistons.  Who won?
What all entails in being a better "player".  Kobe at times can look like MJ.  Other times he dribbles 14 times in the halfcourt set and forces up a clanker.

Get a Flamer to answer that Pistons q. and Ill buy you both a cup.*

*Your cup will vary signifigantly from theirs. :D  :nod:
First, it's time for a little REALITY check -- it's NOT just Laker fans who are telling you your assessment is idiotic -- go back and check it, there isn't ANYONE on this board who agrees with you!

Also, I don't know any Laker fan who would compare Kobe with MJ either!  Kobe isn't as good as MJ was.
I think we all can come to an agreement here.......Lets just genetically engineer a Kanobili.

And just for the record, Kobe is and never will be Michael Jordan status.  There is one and only one Jordan.  Just like there will only be one Kobe and one Lebron.
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2005, 04:20:21 PM »
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And just for the record, Kobe is and never will be Michael Jordan status.  There is one and only one Jordan.  Just like there will only be one Kobe and one Lebron.
And just one and only one Ginobili....



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