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Offline JoMal

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OT:FORMER WHITE HOUSE TERRORISM ADVISOR
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2004, 03:10:39 PM »
December 31, 2003 - Note to self - always try to avoid any Message Board discussions involving race, religion, or politics, and stop downloading porn at work.

Okay, so much for keeping all of my new year's resolutions.

Have you noticed how quickly this discussion has evolved into a 'who's really at fault for allowing Al Qaida to bomb the U.S'? Clinton knew, but didn't respond in a satisfactory manner; Bush knew, but did not act quickly enough, then targeted another country as being responsible when knowing full well that Al Qaida was behind it.

It all sounds like bullshit knee-jerk reactions after the fact. Al Qaida, to the best of my recollection (and cell phone records to the contrary) did not tell either Clinton or Bush what they actually planned to do. They did not sit still afterwards for very long with a big bullseye over their hidden cave to direct incoming USAF staff to plop a seeing-eye bombs in their laps either.

They are a terriorist organization that clearly wants war with the U.S. Both Democrats and Republicans. They do not plan their attacks based on which party happens to occupy the White House. What 9/11 clearly showed, and the other, less lethal, attacks were leading up to, was that no one in U.S. politics, military, or the intelligence branches really understood the extent of the threat.

So, after the planes hit, the first thing it appears everyone in these organizations did was start to point fingers. As, apparently, many of you all are doing.

Congradulations on letting Al Qaida win, guys. As Bush currently is making abundantly clear.

My, JoMal!! Now you are sounding Democratically partisan, all of a sudden. Well, no. It so happens that the biggie - 9/11 - happened on Bush's watch. Maybe another type of guy would have done things differently, but under Bush's post-9/11 watch, American values as we knew them are quickly evaporating. The Bill of Rights has been violated; the constitution ignored.

My very first reaction after calming down after 9/11 was this: The terrorists have given the U.S. President carte blanche to do ANYTHING now to confront the enemy organizations of the United States. Did the terrorists ever stop to think what that means to them and their homelands? Did anyone (besides the omnipotent JoMal) in the United States ever stop to think what this might mean to our own way of life? For our future lives out for at least the next twenty years?

The one certainty is this- we are committed, MUST BE COMMITTED AS A NATION ACTING AS ONE to fighting Al Qaida and other arabic terror groups. In their countries, not here. Not because they don't have legitiment gripes about us, they do. But because they want to destroy our way of life. To take the American dream and smash it. To rid the world of McDonalds and Coke and KFC. To denounce our NBA rights!!!!

Which makes Bush's lame excuse (WMD's for crying out loud- the U.S. army will have to bring them into Iraq for the inspectors to find any) for invading Iraq highly questionable, but completely supported by most Americans because - they gladly handed him carte blanche to do what he feels like in this pursuit.

Does anyone else get a shiver up their spine thinking about what that could mean? We have to fight these terrorists, yes, but we also have to remember that we are giving up what it means to be "AMERICAN" to accomplish it. We have left ourselves inviting targets for so much more damage then 9/11. Are we going to rally in support of the widows and orphans the same way if the numbers go from 4,000 dead to 50,000? 100,000? Surely, you all must realyze those numbers could prove to be very conservative once these decades of fighting conclude. And believe it that crushing Al Qaida is just the start.

We in the U.S. have always had Israel to buffer the Arab world from regularly denouncing our exploitive natures. No longer. If Israel ceased to exist and the Palastinians won, don't think for a second they would not quickly choose another target for revenge. If we are lucky, they will go back to backstabbing each other. But if they unite, which seems to be the case now, the Iraqi war will be looked back on as simply a prelude.

Thanks to 9/11 and who-cares-now who was responsible for allowing it to happen. What we have to really worry about is that Bush considers any action he takes to be legitimate to eradicate terrorists.

We may not have ready "targets" to bomb right now outside Iraq, but that will be changing.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2004, 03:12:53 PM by JoMal »
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.....We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.....We are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular....We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."

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OT:FORMER WHITE HOUSE TERRORISM ADVISOR
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2004, 03:13:44 PM »
I think you misunderstood me WOW, I AM NOT a Bush backer, and I AM NOT a Kerry backer. I back no political ideology whatsoever. To me, Bush is Kerry and Kerry is Bush, they are one size fits all liars that care about no one but themselves and gaining power, the same goes for just about any politician you can name. The truly altruistic and benevolent ones don't get into power because they lack the ability to play in the dirt and compromise like the power mad ones.

I was merely pointing out, that if the laymen can skew the facts to support his position like some on this board did regarding this Clarke and his accusations, what makes anyone think he is not doing the EXACT SAME THING? And Albright’s disingenuous assertion that Clinton authorized neutralization of Al Quaida and bin Laden is unbelievably misleading. Clinton did authorize analysis of how to go about it and begin gathering intelligence to that end and when they had absolute confirmation of which camp he was in courtesy spies and on the ground Northern Alliance observers; he declined to provoke the Taliban and ordered a halt to the operation. So you see, you can make assertion dance on the head of a pin if you seem sincere enough. Funny how Clarke didn’t criticize Clinton for not taking out the man he claims he saw as the biggest threat of all. Funny how Albright is sincere and Dr. Rice is a liar. That is exactly what I mean by skewing the facts to push an agenda, if the layman is capable of it; the politician has elevated it to an art form.
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« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2004, 03:15:40 PM »
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Thanks for biting Jomal, maybe now, he'll stop.
Stop bitting pillows?
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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2004, 03:19:32 PM »
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QUOTE (spursfan101 @ Mar 23 2004, 07:49 PM)
Thanks for biting Jomal, maybe now, he'll stop. 


Stop bitting pillows?

We aren't biting!! Nobody is biting anything here!!!!  No references to SPURSX3 and biting!!!!  
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.....We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.....We are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular....We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."

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« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2004, 03:20:57 PM »
Jomal...brilliant freagin post!  Made some really valid points.

( I could hear the star spangled banner playing in the background as I read it).



 
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« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2004, 03:56:09 PM »
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Jomal...brilliant freagin post!  Made some really valid points.

( I could hear the star spangled banner playing in the background as I read it).
I agree with 101, that was a good post. I'd like to learn how to get above the ingrained partisan animosity like that, too.
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« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2004, 04:04:20 PM »
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Jomal...brilliant freagin post!  Made some really valid points.

( I could hear the star spangled banner playing in the background as I read it).
I agree with 101, that was a good post. I'd like to learn how to get above the ingrained partisan animosity like that, too.
FYI Ted, I just checked, I'm registered Repulican.  LOL!  :lol:   I thought I was an independant, but I had to double check cause my wife told "that's your boy.."  :blink: I guess she was right, she votes alot more than I do.
"History shouldn't be a mystery"
"Our story is real history"
"Not his story"

"My people's culture was strong, it was pure"
"And if not for that white greed"
"It would've endured"

"Laker hate causes blindness"

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« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2004, 04:04:29 PM »
I can only rise above the hostility at night.  During the day my job keeps me too edgy.  

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« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2004, 04:22:22 PM »
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Jomal...brilliant freagin post! Made some really valid points.

( I could hear the star spangled banner playing in the background as I read it).

Actually it should be Taps. We may be seeing the end of our way of life to fully combat this enemy. Which means they have already won.

 
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.....We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.....We are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular....We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."