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« on: March 19, 2004, 09:59:04 PM »
FORMER WHITE HOUSE TERRORISM ADVISOR: BUSH ADMIN WAS DISCUSSING BOMBING IRAQ FOR 9/11 DESPITE KNOWING AL QAEDA WAS TO BLAME
Fri Mar 19 2004 17:49:30 ET

Former White House terrorism advisor Richard Clarke tells Lesley Stahl that on September 11, 2001 and the day after - when it was clear Al Qaeda had carried out the terrorist attacks - the Bush administration was considering bombing Iraq in retaliation. Clarke's exclusive interview will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday March 21 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Clarke was surprised that the attention of administration officials was turning toward Iraq when he expected the focus to be on Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. "They were talking about Iraq on 9/11. They were talking about it on 9/12," says Clarke.

The top counter-terrorism advisor, Clarke was briefing the highest government officials, including President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in the aftermath of 9/11. "Rumsfeld was saying we needed to bomb Iraq....We all said, 'but no, no. Al Qaeda is in Afghanistan," recounts Clarke, "and Rumsfeld said, 'There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq.' I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with [the 9/11 attacks],'" he tells Stahl.

Clarke goes on to explain what he believes was the reason for the focus on Iraq. "I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection [between Iraq and Al Qaeda] but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there, saying, 'We've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection,'" says Clarke.

Clarke, who advised four presidents, reveals more about the current administration's reaction to terrorism in his new book, "Against All Enemies."
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2004, 11:35:59 AM »
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House is dismissing as a "red herring" charges from the administration's former counter-terrorism coordinator that President Bush has been more focused on Iraq than al Qaeda.

Richard Clarke detailed his allegations that Bush has done "a terrible job" battling terrorism during an interview Sunday night on CBS's "60 Minutes" and in a book to be published Monday.

A White House spokesman said Clarke is motivated by politics.

"He has chosen at this critical time, in the middle of a presidential campaign, to inject himself into the political debate," spokesman Dan Bartlett said. "And he has every right to do so. But in so doing, his judgments -- his actions, or the lack thereof -- should also come under scrutiny."

Clarke said he asked for a Cabinet-level meeting in January 2001, shortly after the president took office, to discuss the threat al Qaeda posed to the United States.

"That urgent memo wasn't acted on," Clarke told CBS. Instead, he said, administration officials were focused on issues such as missile defense and Iraq.

Clarke said Bush "probably" shares some of the blame for the attacks. He is scheduled to testify this week before the independent commission investigating 9/11.

"Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism," Clarke said in the CBS interview. "He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."

According to a White House statement issued Sunday night, "The president recognized the threat posed by al Qaeda, and immediately after taking office, the White House began work on a comprehensive new strategy to eliminate al Qaeda."

The statement said National Security Council deputies and second-ranking officials met frequently between March and September 2001 to work on that goal.

The national security team worked "aggressively and rapidly" to develop a course of action using all elements of national power: military, intelligence, diplomatic actions and financial pressure, according to the statement.

"The new strategy called for military options to attack al Qaeda and Taliban leadership, command-and-control, ground forces and other targets."

Clarke left the government in February 2003 after 30 years of public service.

In the CBS interview, Clarke said Bush should have gone to "battle stations" when the CIA warned him of a threat in the months before the attacks.

"He never thought it was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security adviser to hold a Cabinet-level meeting on the subject," he told CBS.

But National Security Council deputy Stephen Hadley said on the CBS program that Bush did hear those warnings and was impatient for intelligence chiefs to develop a new strategy to eliminate al Qaeda.

"At one point the president became somewhat impatient with us and said, 'I'm tired of swatting flies. Where is my new strategy to eliminate al Qaeda?'"

Clarke said he eventually got to address a Cabinet meeting on terrorism months after his initial request, and only a week before the attacks.

Bartlett said Clarke used the opportunity "to talk about cyber-security."

Bartlett said Clarke offered five recommendations to battle al Qaeda when the Bush administration took office.

"All of those recommendations were focused on overseas efforts that would have been nothing to prevent the attack on 9/11," he said. "All of those recommendations were being acted upon. It did not have to wait for a meeting that would take place in September."

He dismissed Clarke as a disgruntled former employee who left the government after he was passed over for the No. 2 job in the Department of Homeland Security. He also noted that Clarke has taught a college course with Rand Beers, another former counter-terrorism official now advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.

"Despite all of these grievances -- despite all of these fundamental concerns about the actions our country has taken -- it's only now, in the course of this campaign, that Dick Clarke decides to talk in the form of this book," Bartlett said.

Clarke said that, a day after the attacks, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld pushed for a retaliatory strike on Iraq, though the evidence pointed to al Qaeda, because "there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq." (Full story)

He also said Bush asked him to look for links between al Qaeda and Iraq the day after the attacks.

"Now he never said, 'Make it up,' " Clarke said. "But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this."

When Clarke told Bush that U.S. intelligence had nothing to connect Iraq and al Qaeda, he said the president responded in a "very intimidating" manner: "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection."

Bartlett said Bush "was going through a decision-making process," and needed to know "all the information available." He noted that Bush's decision ultimately was to attack Afghanistan, striking at the Taliban regime that allowed al Qaeda to operate from its territory.

"I think everybody in America would expect, within 24 hours after one of the worst attacks on our country, that the president of the United States was asking his counter-terrorism officials, 'Tell me everything. Tell me any possible link to this attack. I want to know everything,' " Bartlett said.

Bush allies defended the president on the Sunday talk shows. Republican Sen. Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania said there was "a lot of blame to go around in all quarters."

 
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2004, 01:14:45 PM »
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House is dismissing as a "red herring" charges from the administration's former counter-terrorism coordinator that President Bush has been more focused on Iraq than al Qaeda.

Richard Clarke detailed his allegations that Bush has done "a terrible job" battling terrorism during an interview Sunday night on CBS's "60 Minutes" and in a book to be published Monday.

A White House spokesman said Clarke is motivated by politics.

"He has chosen at this critical time, in the middle of a presidential campaign, to inject himself into the political debate," spokesman Dan Bartlett said. "And he has every right to do so. But in so doing, his judgments -- his actions, or the lack thereof -- should also come under scrutiny."

Clarke said he asked for a Cabinet-level meeting in January 2001, shortly after the president took office, to discuss the threat al Qaeda posed to the United States.

"That urgent memo wasn't acted on," Clarke told CBS. Instead, he said, administration officials were focused on issues such as missile defense and Iraq.

Clarke said Bush "probably" shares some of the blame for the attacks. He is scheduled to testify this week before the independent commission investigating 9/11.

"Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism," Clarke said in the CBS interview. "He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."

According to a White House statement issued Sunday night, "The president recognized the threat posed by al Qaeda, and immediately after taking office, the White House began work on a comprehensive new strategy to eliminate al Qaeda."

The statement said National Security Council deputies and second-ranking officials met frequently between March and September 2001 to work on that goal.

The national security team worked "aggressively and rapidly" to develop a course of action using all elements of national power: military, intelligence, diplomatic actions and financial pressure, according to the statement.

"The new strategy called for military options to attack al Qaeda and Taliban leadership, command-and-control, ground forces and other targets."

Clarke left the government in February 2003 after 30 years of public service.

In the CBS interview, Clarke said Bush should have gone to "battle stations" when the CIA warned him of a threat in the months before the attacks.

"He never thought it was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security adviser to hold a Cabinet-level meeting on the subject," he told CBS.

But National Security Council deputy Stephen Hadley said on the CBS program that Bush did hear those warnings and was impatient for intelligence chiefs to develop a new strategy to eliminate al Qaeda.

"At one point the president became somewhat impatient with us and said, 'I'm tired of swatting flies. Where is my new strategy to eliminate al Qaeda?'"

Clarke said he eventually got to address a Cabinet meeting on terrorism months after his initial request, and only a week before the attacks.

Bartlett said Clarke used the opportunity "to talk about cyber-security."

Bartlett said Clarke offered five recommendations to battle al Qaeda when the Bush administration took office.

"All of those recommendations were focused on overseas efforts that would have been nothing to prevent the attack on 9/11," he said. "All of those recommendations were being acted upon. It did not have to wait for a meeting that would take place in September."

He dismissed Clarke as a disgruntled former employee who left the government after he was passed over for the No. 2 job in the Department of Homeland Security. He also noted that Clarke has taught a college course with Rand Beers, another former counter-terrorism official now advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.

"Despite all of these grievances -- despite all of these fundamental concerns about the actions our country has taken -- it's only now, in the course of this campaign, that Dick Clarke decides to talk in the form of this book," Bartlett said.

Clarke said that, a day after the attacks, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld pushed for a retaliatory strike on Iraq, though the evidence pointed to al Qaeda, because "there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq." (Full story)

He also said Bush asked him to look for links between al Qaeda and Iraq the day after the attacks.

"Now he never said, 'Make it up,' " Clarke said. "But the entire conversation left me in absolutely no doubt that George Bush wanted me to come back with a report that said Iraq did this."

When Clarke told Bush that U.S. intelligence had nothing to connect Iraq and al Qaeda, he said the president responded in a "very intimidating" manner: "Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection."

Bartlett said Bush "was going through a decision-making process," and needed to know "all the information available." He noted that Bush's decision ultimately was to attack Afghanistan, striking at the Taliban regime that allowed al Qaeda to operate from its territory.

"I think everybody in America would expect, within 24 hours after one of the worst attacks on our country, that the president of the United States was asking his counter-terrorism officials, 'Tell me everything. Tell me any possible link to this attack. I want to know everything,' " Bartlett said.

Bush allies defended the president on the Sunday talk shows. Republican Sen. Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania said there was "a lot of blame to go around in all quarters."
Just a couple of questions that I think bear asking:

1.  If he is such a man of principle and feels that these things should be told, why didn't he quit immediately these events and share them to the press as the reason he quit?  (oh, that would leave him out of the money a book deal would bring, huh?)

2.  If he is such a man of principle that he feels the world needs to know the "truth" then why doesn't he donate all the proceeds to some charity so it doesn't look like he will say whatever it takes to get the most money off of a book deal?

3.  Is it merely coincidence that this book (and his resignation) is coming out as a presidential campaign is heating up?  Yeah, I'm sure that's only coincidence.

When you add up these things, it turns from coincidence to an obviously well planned book tour -- and it definately loses credibility for him to come out this way, IMO.  When money is your determiner, then why should we expect him to tell the truth when he could make more money on his own version?  If he had done things differently, he would have some credibility, IMO.

 

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2004, 01:44:43 PM »
Randy, that sounds very similar to the White House response as put forth by Condoleesa Rice this morning.  She (and others) in the White House don't recall any of the meetings that Clark talks about.  But they are ALL very clear about several meetings that took place when he was absent.  And Clark never directly told Bush about any of the things he said because Bush always has an open door with his advisors.  gag, cough, spit...Clark is a liar....don't believe him...cough, gag.

Smoke screens and misinformation....something this Bush administration has taken to new levels.  And to think that any well educated American still buys into the Bush rhetoric........


But then maybe I am overestimating your education seeing as how it happened in California.

 
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2004, 02:00:24 PM »
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Randy, that sounds very similar to the White House response as put forth by Condoleesa Rice this morning.  She (and others) in the White House don't recall any of the meetings that Clark talks about.  But they are ALL very clear about several meetings that took place when he was absent.  And Clark never directly told Bush about any of the things he said because Bush always has an open door with his advisors.  gag, cough, spit...Clark is a liar....don't believe him...cough, gag.

Smoke screens and misinformation....something this Bush administration has taken to new levels.  And to think that any well educated American still buys into the Bush rhetoric........


But then maybe I am overestimating your education seeing as how it happened in California.
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But then maybe I am overestimating your education seeing as how it happened in California.

And you continue to be misinformed.  I only spent two years in the California school system -- K and 1st.  All the rest of my hundred or so years in school happened in other states.

Again, address the questions -- or is it that since you dislike Bush so much you are already predisposed to anything said against him negatively.

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2004, 02:04:04 PM »
I don't buy a lot of what this guy says. The timing is just too perfect for him to make a nice bit of cash.

As far as the Bush administration goes, I think they're handling this the wrong way. They need to take a page from the Clintons on crisis management. This Clarke guy would just be another plane crash or apparent suicide.
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2004, 02:18:31 PM »
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Again, address the questions -- or is it that since you dislike Bush so much you are already predisposed to anything said against him negatively.
Randy, it's a whole lot easier (and a lot more effective!!) to just say you're uneducated.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2004, 02:29:21 PM »
Ted, Randy,

 :lol:   :lol:  :lol:

You guys sure had me fooled.  Here I thought you were good conservatives now your bad mouthing the profit motive! Coupla socialist Ivory Tower dreamers is what you are!  Next you'll be saying ridiculous garbage like "We can't trust Dick Cheney on Iraq because he profits from it through Halliburton."  

And Ted, "apparent suicide"?  Whatever.  I assume you're mainly talking Vince Foster though it's hard to tell.  The right wing has accused the Clintons of killing sooo many people, including some who are STILL ALIVE!!  

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2004, 02:42:51 PM »
And what questions am I avoiding?

Your obvious attempts at downplaying a whistle blower?   I didn't see any questions of any substance.  Just because he released a book and stands to make money doesn't mean that his stories are untrue.  At the same time it doesn't mean that the White House spin is any more truthful.  However given GW's track record for being open & honest with the public, I would tend to believe Clark's version.

Is Clark saying anything new that hasn't been brought up before?  His main contention is that Bush was after Saddam not Al Quida.  And most of the facts (at least the few that Bush can't hide or cover up) that have come to light support this position.  Gulf War II has been Bush's private little vendetta against Saddam all along.  And the biggest crime....that so many Americans have had to die or be seriously injured to justify Bush's ego.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2004, 03:00:47 PM »
I find it credible because he is the second person from inside the Bush camp to come out and say the same thing. Paul O'Neil said Bush was gunning for Sadaam since day 1, and both said he wanted to tie-in the terrorist organization Al Quaida to the Sadaam Husein regime.  Even if no legitimate ties were there. It was the only way he could go in and force a war.  Bush took advantage of an emotional weeping nation to attack Iraq, I don't think there is any question about that.

And once again. War on Terror against Afganistan...YES!  War on Terror against Iraq using faulty information and presenting it as fact...NO!
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2004, 03:06:41 PM »
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And what questions am I avoiding?

Your obvious attempts at downplaying a whistle blower?   I didn't see any questions of any substance.  Just because he released a book and stands to make money doesn't mean that his stories are untrue.  At the same time it doesn't mean that the White House spin is any more truthful.  However given GW's track record for being open & honest with the public, I would tend to believe Clark's version.

Is Clark saying anything new that hasn't been brought up before?  His main contention is that Bush was after Saddam not Al Quida.  And most of the facts (at least the few that Bush can't hide or cover up) that have come to light support this position.  Gulf War II has been Bush's private little vendetta against Saddam all along.  And the biggest crime....that so many Americans have had to die or be seriously injured to justify Bush's ego.
Always nice for whistle blowers to wait until they can get thier thoughts together and write a nice book to let the world know about all the wrong doings of our govt.............yes, the motivation of money off this tiing COULDNT have caused this guy to write such things.  file it under fiction mr sassy pants..... ;)  
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2004, 03:11:16 PM »
Hell yes. This isn't about being a good citizen, this is about taking advantage of a marketing opportunity to sell his book. Does that make him lose credibility? No way. It makes him a smart businessman, look at the run this guy is getting from the press. Does that make him lose his credibility? No. Simply because he's the second defector from the Bush camp to make similar charges.

And since when did the Bush administration have a problem with a "friend" taking advantage of a situation to make a quick buck.  Many of Bush and Cheney's "friends" have made millions off the war in Iraq.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2004, 03:23:40 PM »
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Hell yes. This isn't about being a good citizen, this is about taking advantage of a marketing opportunity to sell his book. Does that make him lose credibility? No way. It makes him a smart businessman, look at the run this guy is getting from the press. Does that make him lose his credibility? No. Simply because he's the second defector from the Bush camp to make similar charges.

And since when did the Bush administration have a problem with a "friend" taking advantage of a situation to make a quick buck.  Many of Bush and Cheney's "friends" have made millions off the war in Iraq.
WOW two WHOLE DEFECTORS!!!  man the titanic is SINKING!!!   :o


that must mean he is credible.   forget the fact there could be behind  the scenes deals that could have broken or never worked for this jack-munch, perhaps there is more money in the the drama he is creating, yeah - the book makes him REAL credible....fruity-licker  <_<  
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2004, 03:30:38 PM »
So you don't believe 2 credible defectors spouting the same message?  Interesting.  Hey, anybody catch last nights episode of "The Practice?" They had a story about a women who refused to go into President Bush's  quarantined " free-speech protesting zone."  Whole premise was this country was founded on free speech, and our right to disagree and protest on a public street should not be taken away just because your views don't agree with the Presidents.  Pro Bush supports are free to demonstrate anywhere they want.  Viva BUSH!
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2004, 03:31:47 PM »
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So you don't believe 2 credible defectors spouting the same message?  Interesting.  Hey, anybody catch last nights episode of "The Practice?" They had a story about a women who refused to go into President Bush's  quarantined " free-speech protesting zone."  Whole premise was this country was founded on free speech, and our right to disagree and protest on a public street should not be taken away just because your views don't agree with the Presidents.  Pro Bush supports are free to demonstrate anywhere they want.  Viva BUSH!
shut up froggy pants!! shut up!!   :lol:  :P  
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