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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2008, 04:51:22 PM »
I am surprised you know who Barbie is.  I thought for sure that you would have said Betty Bop or someone more in your range of age.  Could you explain to me what Cher Glitter is?  I don't get your 4 decade old references, sorry.

I am also disapointed that once again someone from California has to ride the back of a Mexican to get something done.  In this case it is a shot at the youngest and most attractive male on the board.  Did you at least give WOW some of your old blankets and maybe some old mountain bikes so he doesn't have to steal bikes from the local elementry school?

Elementry school bike theives get more respect than a wanabe-engineer "Tech consultant".  Better keep your admin password a secret or some 4th grader will steal your job.
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2008, 04:53:57 PM »
I am surprised you know who Barbie is.  I thought for sure that you would have said Betty Bop or someone more in your range of age.  Could you explain to me what Cher Glitter is?  I don't get your 4 decade old references, sorry.

I am also disapointed that once again someone from California has to ride the back of a Mexican to get something done.  In this case it is a shot at the youngest and most attractive male on the board.  Did you at least give WOW some of your old blankets and maybe some old mountain bikes so he doesn't have to steal bikes from the local elementry school?

Elementry school bike theives get more respect than a wanabe-engineer "Tech consultant".  Better keep your admin password a secret or some 4th grader will steal your job.

I'll have to watch my back for that 4th grader.  You though?  Well we know you couldn't steal my job.  I am at a Nuclear Power Plant getting my consulting on.  They don't let illegals and felons in here.  Double whammy for you.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2008, 05:49:59 PM »
I'll have to watch my back for that 4th grader.  You though?  Well we know you couldn't steal my job.  I am at a Nuclear Power Plant getting my consulting on.  They don't let illegals and felons in here.  Double whammy for you.

Nuclear Power Plant?  Like a "Tech Consultant" would know the difference between a fuel rod and Rod Stewart. 

FYI: When your arse in hot water because you installed MSAccess over their DCS database and the core starts overheating because all their PLC's and Controllers crashed....just think of me and give thanks when the Emergency Cooling Water Injection System kicks on automatically.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2008, 06:05:49 PM »
I'll have to watch my back for that 4th grader.  You though?  Well we know you couldn't steal my job.  I am at a Nuclear Power Plant getting my consulting on.  They don't let illegals and felons in here.  Double whammy for you.

Nuclear Power Plant?  Like a "Tech Consultant" would know the difference between a fuel rod and Rod Stewart. 

FYI: When your arse in hot water because you installed MSAccess over their DCS database and the core starts overheating because all their PLC's and Controllers crashed....just think of me and give thanks when the Emergency Cooling Water Injection System kicks on automatically.

Clearly I know the difference.  One is a key part of the plant and one is a key part of JoMaL's drive to work every morning.
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2008, 06:17:12 PM »
Clearly I know the difference.  One is a key part of the plant and one is a key part of JoMaL's drive to work every morning.

Based JoMals and your obession with each other I do believe you think you're sexy...to each other....

Do all the residents of AZ a favor and step away from the DCS......it's not for children nor consultants.....

That reminds me....stop me if you've heard this one.....

Once upon a time there was a sheepherder tending his sheep at the edge of a country road in rural Wyoming. A brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee screeched to a halt next to him. The driver, a young man dressed in a Brioni suit, Cerrutti shoes, Ray-Ban glasses, Jovial Swiss wristwatch and a BHS tie, jumped out and asked the herder "If I guess how many sheep you have, will you give me one of them?" The herder looked at the young man, then looked at the sprawling herd of grazing sheep and said "Okay." The young man parked the SUV, connected his notebook and wireless modem, entered a NASA site, scanned the ground using satellite imagry and a GPS, opened a database and 60 Excel tables filled with algorithms, then printed a 150-page report on his high-tech mini-printer. He turned to the herder and said "You have exactly 1,586 sheep here." The herder answered "Say, you are right. Pick out a sheep." The young man took one of the animals and put it in the back of his vehicle. As he was preparing to drive away, the herder looked at him and asked "Now, if I guess your profession, will you pay me back in kind?" The young man answered "Sure." The herder said immediately "You are a consultant." "Exactly! How did you know?" asked the young man. "Very simple," replied the herder. "First you came here without being invited. Secondly, you charged me a fee to tell me something I already knew. Thirdly, you do not understand anything about my business, and I'd really like to have my dog back."


I'd really like to have my dog back!

I'd really like to have my dog back!

I'd really like to have my dog back!

That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO a consultant!!!!!!  That is so you weakkoast!
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2008, 06:21:30 PM »
Clearly I know the difference.  One is a key part of the plant and one is a key part of JoMaL's drive to work every morning.

Based JoMals and your obession with each other I do believe you think you're sexy...to each other....

Do all the residents of AZ a favor and step away from the DCS......it's not for children nor consultants.....

That reminds me....stop me if you've heard this one.....

Once upon a time there was a sheepherder tending his sheep at the edge of a country road in rural Wyoming. A brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee screeched to a halt next to him. The driver, a young man dressed in a Brioni suit, Cerrutti shoes, Ray-Ban glasses, Jovial Swiss wristwatch and a BHS tie, jumped out and asked the herder "If I guess how many sheep you have, will you give me one of them?" The herder looked at the young man, then looked at the sprawling herd of grazing sheep and said "Okay." The young man parked the SUV, connected his notebook and wireless modem, entered a NASA site, scanned the ground using satellite imagry and a GPS, opened a database and 60 Excel tables filled with algorithms, then printed a 150-page report on his high-tech mini-printer. He turned to the herder and said "You have exactly 1,586 sheep here." The herder answered "Say, you are right. Pick out a sheep." The young man took one of the animals and put it in the back of his vehicle. As he was preparing to drive away, the herder looked at him and asked "Now, if I guess your profession, will you pay me back in kind?" The young man answered "Sure." The herder said immediately "You are a consultant." "Exactly! How did you know?" asked the young man. "Very simple," replied the herder. "First you came here without being invited. Secondly, you charged me a fee to tell me something I already knew. Thirdly, you do not understand anything about my business, and I'd really like to have my dog back."


I'd really like to have my dog back!

I'd really like to have my dog back!

I'd really like to have my dog back!

That is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO a consultant!!!!!!  That is so you weakkoast!

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2008, 06:39:36 PM »
Nuclear Plant Technician eh?

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2008, 09:17:01 PM »
Nuclear Plant Technician eh?



I am not a plant tech and i've already been asked if I met a real life homer simpson....but you need super high level access to even get into those areas.  That I do not have.

WOW i've heard the joke before and that may apply to other industries (I met a cofee industry consultant not too long ago WTF!!!)....but when it comes to engineering all that is said in that joke at the end is so far from the truth.  Don't you work with engineers?  I think you should have a better understanding of the difficulties of training them, getting the software installed to a point where they do as little thinking as possible, and explaining how a work flow should go.

And I would have plugged you into the Rod Stewart joke but I know you only listen to Vicente Fox on the way to work.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2008, 09:46:05 PM »
I am not a plant tech and i've already been asked if I met a real life homer simpson....but you need super high level access to even get into those areas.  That I do not have.

WOW i've heard the joke before and that may apply to other industries (I met a cofee industry consultant not too long ago WTF!!!)....but when it comes to engineering all that is said in that joke at the end is so far from the truth.  Don't you work with engineers?  I think you should have a better understanding of the difficulties of training them, getting the software installed to a point where they do as little thinking as possible, and explaining how a work flow should go.

And I would have plugged you into the Rod Stewart joke but I know you only listen to Vicente Fox on the way to work.

My first job was a Control Systems Engineer.  Been a Project Engineer and a Project Manager, I even started to gear up to be a P.E. but then I started to travel way too much and just chased the money instead of the glory.  Now I just write software so that anything and everything can be done from an HMI.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2008, 09:51:39 PM »
I am not a plant tech and i've already been asked if I met a real life homer simpson....but you need super high level access to even get into those areas.  That I do not have.

WOW i've heard the joke before and that may apply to other industries (I met a cofee industry consultant not too long ago WTF!!!)....but when it comes to engineering all that is said in that joke at the end is so far from the truth.  Don't you work with engineers?  I think you should have a better understanding of the difficulties of training them, getting the software installed to a point where they do as little thinking as possible, and explaining how a work flow should go.

And I would have plugged you into the Rod Stewart joke but I know you only listen to Vicente Fox on the way to work.

My first job was a Control Systems Engineer.  Been a Project Engineer and a Project Manager, I even started to gear up to be a P.E. but then I started to travel way too much and just chased the money instead of the glory.  Now I just write software so that anything and everything can be done from an HMI.

Can ask why you left engineering to go on the software side?  The reason I ask is a few co-workers of mine did the same thing.  They started off in engineering and then left to do consulting/software after.  Though they never exactly have said why.  It's kind of a trend in engineering consulting.  I am assuming cuz you can probably make more money consulting then you can engineering in most cases but again, I am assuming.
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2008, 10:44:46 PM »
Can ask why you left engineering to go on the software side?  The reason I ask is a few co-workers of mine did the same thing.  They started off in engineering and then left to do consulting/software after.  Though they never exactly have said why.  It's kind of a trend in engineering consulting.  I am assuming cuz you can probably make more money consulting then you can engineering in most cases but again, I am assuming.

Depends on what kind of engineering, engineers are usually very specialized and you can get bored after a short while.

I actually work in a niche market, Industrial Automation.  My first job was a Control Systems Engineer so I was all about Industrial Automation.  At the time there were not very many HMI based control and automation systems, especially Windows based ones on commercial PC's.  Back in the day all you had were custom control systems or a DCS from big companies.  HUGE dollars.  What I did was take commercial grade off the shelf components and "integrate" a control system that was custom fitted to your process or application.  Until then your process or application had to conform to the control system you purchased.

So that was my niche from day one, and it hasn't changed much.  Basically I take any process and automate it.  I've automated almost everything, Food processing, Oil and Gas, Power Management, Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles, Pharmaceutical, Vessel Management, Plastic Injection Molding, Traffic Light Controls and CoGen Plants.  Basically, you take a piece of industrial or field equipment (i.e. Pumps, Generators, Conveyors, Tanks, Switchgear, etc...) and ad instrumentation (i.e. Pressure/Temperator Sensors, Current Transmitters, Position Indicators, On/Off Switches, etc...) wire it back to I/O modules (I/O = Input/Output) and maybe have all those modules controlled by an industrial controller like a PLC (Programmable Logic Controller) or controlled by a PC.  Then you can communicate to that controller with a PC via industrial network, serial connection or Ethernet.  You then develop or configure an HMI to give them a graphical representation of their process.

Everyone under the sun can do that now a days, you can buy stuff that's very easy to use and develop an HMI and there is even some software out there that can generate control code based on your process diagrams or P&ID's.  Being able to read a P&ID and write the actual control code that runs a factory or plant is what seperates me from 90% of the "programmers" and "engineers" out there, having an electrical background and troubleshooting ability seperates me from another 5%.  Most of my competition is from really old foggies or big engineering companies.  I've met hundreds of engineers and worked with at least 50 or 60 and only 4 guys I've met or worked with can do everything I do, and only one of them was clearly better than me, the other 3 were too geeky to handle the sales and marketing side of the buisness.

So now the buzz word is "Enterprise Wide Automation" and that is what I started consulting on starting back in 2000, it was kinda new back then.  Basically it's taking all the data from all the instrumentation on the factory floor and pushing it up to some Corporate VP or IS Manager.  Being able to get real-time data about your production in a usable format for "non-engineers" is very useful and actually makes it easier for them to spend money when higher level management can actually see the results on their PC or desk.  So all I do is write software that crunches data that is comming from factory floors all over the country.  Even though Industrial Automation is 10X harder then writing some data crunching client server app, companies will pay 2X the money for the easy stuff just because management can see and understand it.  That's why I do what I do today, but I still get sucked into some form of Industrial Automation when stuff breaks or needs adjustment.

The current landscape is you have egineers, network guys, computer guys, software guys, electricians and process guys to execute an automation project.  I can do all the jobs but engineering and process is my weakest link.  Engineers need to be able to properly spec the equipment based on the process requirements, that is tough stuff because it almost always requires a specialist (i.e. electrical engineer, mechanical engineer or an engineer familiar with the local regulations).  That's too much stuff to memorize but all the stuff inbetween I can do, bascially I can take a P&ID and deliver a "turn key" system to the end user.  The problem I have is software guys are pushing down into my world much harder than I'm pushing into theirs because so many companies outsourcing software to places like India for 1/3 the cost.  Basically companies want a one-stop-shop and it's easier for a software guy to pick up 80% of my work since the tools and languages I use are much easier than something like .NET or C#.  A lot of the custom fit software I used to write you can now buy and simply "configure" and do minor developement so I think it's time for me to update my skills.
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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2008, 07:56:57 PM »

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Depends on what kind of engineering, engineers are usually very specialized and you can get bored after a short while.

I dunno Civil engineers that work the government seem to be highly specialized in wasting time....

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So that was my niche from day one, and it hasn't changed much.  Basically I take any process and automate it.  I've automated almost everything, Food processing, Oil and Gas, Power Management, Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles, Pharmaceutical, Vessel Management, Plastic Injection Molding, Traffic Light Controls and CoGen Plants.  Basically, you take a piece of industrial or field equipment (i.e. Pumps, Generators, Conveyors, Tanks, Switchgear, etc...) and ad instrumentation (i.e. Pressure/Temperator Sensors, Current Transmitters, Position Indicators, On/Off Switches, etc...) wire it back to I/O modules (I/O = Input/Output) and maybe have all those modules controlled by an industrial controller like a PLC (Programmable Logic Controller) or controlled by a PC.  Then you can communicate to that controller with a PC via industrial network, serial connection or Ethernet.  You then develop or configure an HMI to give them a graphical representation of their process.

That is pretty awesome and something that is always so interesting to me.  I use to have a friend that worked for a company in Orange County (Orbit Technology Corporation) that did something similar.  He says it is pretty straight forward once you learn what is going on but it seems real real complicated to me.  You know...its not clicking a NEXT so it way past what I can comprehend. 

How much do you know about SCADA systems???  Sounds like it would be right up your alley.

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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2008, 08:35:03 PM »
How much do you know about SCADA systems???  Sounds like it would be right up your alley.

I didn't use that term cause I figured you wouldn't know what it meant, but that is pretty much what I do.  Supervisory Control And Data Aquisition (SCADA) means different things to different companies.  For me it's: I/O + PLC + HMI + DBServer = SCADA.  Some companies sell an HMI (Human Machine Interface) as a full blown SCADA but subcontract the hardware and controls out to someone else since even the most advanced HMI package has very limited ability to talk to the real world.  Also some DCS (Distributed Control System) are packaged as SCADA systems right out of the box.  Nowadays people want the data pushed up to the "Enterprise" level, so you could say I do SCADA++.  The "++" part is a little programming inside humor (very little humor I might add).

If you have the ability to learn a programming language like BASIC or C you can pretty much learn SCADA and DCS in very little time but it takes a long while to get "slick" with those types of system since they use very rudamentary programming languages.
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I dunno Civil engineers that work the government seem to be highly specialized in wasting time....


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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2008, 09:47:42 PM »
How much do you know about SCADA systems???  Sounds like it would be right up your alley.

I didn't use that term cause I figured you wouldn't know what it meant, but that is pretty much what I do.  Supervisory Control And Data Aquisition (SCADA) means different things to different companies.  For me it's: I/O + PLC + HMI + DBServer = SCADA.  Some companies sell an HMI (Human Machine Interface) as a full blown SCADA but subcontract the hardware and controls out to someone else since even the most advanced HMI package has very limited ability to talk to the real world.  Also some DCS (Distributed Control System) are packaged as SCADA systems right out of the box.  Nowadays people want the data pushed up to the "Enterprise" level, so you could say I do SCADA++.  The "++" part is a little programming inside humor (very little humor I might add).

If you have the ability to learn a programming language like BASIC or C you can pretty much learn SCADA and DCS in very little time but it takes a long while to get "slick" with those types of system since they use very rudamentary programming languages.

Before I started working as a consultant I was doing IT for a water/waste water engineering firm so I am pretty familiar with the SCADA systems.  I don't know how to run one but I understand the concept/what it does.  The ability to automat the opening/closing of valves, shutting things down, etc all from that "command" center (that's what I call it as a joke with them) is what I pictured when you were describing what you do before.  When I would go out to the field trailers to help out the engineers on site they would take me around and show me how things worked.  In fact today I was sitting in front of a SCADA system at the power plant.  They use waste water to cool down things inside of the plant so they have a full water treatment plant out there as well.  Being as I am on the technical/computer/software side of engineering I have a lot of interest in what you do as it's kind of both worlds coming together in the middle.  Moreso then my job. 

J..I think Civil Engineering in general is kind of boring.  That is just me though.  I think Electrical/Mechanical is way more interesting.  I really don't care about roads and signing.  I guess  they are highly specialized at designing roads and everything else that comes along with civil engineering.  You don't tend to see a civil engineer doing electrical or vice versa.  Though I do know some very talented engineers that are multi-disciplined.
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