Iguodala/Williams or Gordon/Deng

[rickortreat]

Chicago didn't even make the Playoffs with Gordon and Deng!  It's absurd to compare them with players who are integral parts of a team that actually made the playoffs.

[jemagee]

Chicago didn't even make the Playoffs with Gordon and Deng!  It's absurd to compare them with players who are integral parts of a team that actually made the playoffs.

Except well, basketball is more than just one season, and they did make the playoffs, and other players on the tema had horrible seasons last year and Deng had injury issues.

There's a lot of absuridities in this thread in my opinion, but focusing on one season and only one season, and only focusing on whether they made the playoffs, well that's probably second to saying 'andre iguodala isn't worth much because of six games against the pistons'.

The bobcats didn't make the playoffs last year, they were terrible, so i'm assuming you think okafor wouldn't be an improvement over sam?

[Derek Bodner]

Chicago didn't even make the Playoffs with Gordon and Deng!  It's absurd to compare them with players who are integral parts of a team that actually made the playoffs.

Deng and Gordon have made the playoffs 3 of the 4 years they've been in the league.

Iguodala has made the playoffs 2 out of the 4 years he's been in the league.

Williams has made the playoffs 1 out of the 3 years he's been in the league.

Brand has made the playoffs 1 out of the 9 years he's been in the league.

When Deng and Gordon made the playoffs those 3 years, they actually did so without losing records.

So last year, when Deng and Gordon won 49 games and made the playoffs, and Iguodala and Williams won 35 games and didn't make the playoffs, Deng and Gordon were winners, and Iguodala and Williams losers?  And that's all flip-flopped 180 degrees in one year?

Okay.

[Stanford]

And if Speights actually meets his potential... well, let's just say that we can forget about the Celtics being our biggest rival and that we will get very acquainted with the Blazers in the Finals over the next 15 years.

We don't have a franchise player for the next 15 years. I think Thad can be better than Andre, but I don't think that makes him a #1 player. Without a guy like Brand, we're a middle of the road team.

[tk76-]

People talk about the Pistons as having a collection of second level stars.

I think in 2 years Brand, Iguodala, Thad and Lou can all be second level stars.  Maybe Miller too if he has not lost a step.

Winning without a superstar is hard, but then again how often can you find a Duncan, Shaq or MJ.

[Stanford]

Winning without a superstar is hard, but then again how often can you find a Duncan, Shaq or MJ.

Unfortunatly, that's the harsh reality of the NBA.

[Skates]

Winning without a superstar is hard, but then again how often can you find a Duncan, Shaq or MJ.

Unfortunatly, that's the harsh reality of the NBA.

Absent getting very lucky in the draft or being a big market that attracts big name FA's, like hypothetically LeBron going to Nj/NY/Brooklyn, the next best way to get a superstar is too build a team full of young, affordable talent and move decisively when a superstar becomes available.  Somebody take John Paxson back in time a few years and explain this to him and Garnett or Amare are on the Bulls.

[tk76-]

Was there ever an Amare to the Bulls deal on the table?

[Skates]

Was there ever an Amare to the Bulls deal on the table?

There were rumors based in large part on the suns owner wanting to get less expensive players in and the constant bickering between Marion and Stoudemire, who both sound like major PITA's, whatever truth there were to the rumors is unknown.  Pretty much all of the deals proposed in the rumors pages for the Bulls to pick up a franchise player fell apart wehnever someone asked for Luol Deng.  Now they can't get him signed and could potentially lose him for nothing next year.  Oh irony (and bad management), thy name is John Paxson.

[Stanford]

Not to mention, Kobe!

[Skates]

Not to mention, Kobe!

You are correct sir.  I knew there was another one, but I was too lazy to try and look it up.