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Re: Amare , Boris and Horry our for game five...
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2007, 11:37:46 AM »
Also after the Malice at the Palace, Stern insisted he went over and over and over with the Players Association what zero tolerence meant, and they and their liarwyers all signed off.  Duncan and whoever got up after Elson hit the floor should have gotten the same treatment.  i don't like the "no alterction" in that one, altho its true Duncan did not go nearly as close to the potential alterction then Stoudamire did.

There was no altercation.  Look at any video...8 of the 10 players along with one ref have already headed down court.  The only pepole left at that end of the court are 1) the ref with the ball, 2) Nash trying to get the ball inbounded, 3) Elson getting up off the floor and running downcourt, and 4) the second ref talking to Elson as he heads downcourt.  So if there is an altercation it was either between Nash & the ref OR Elson and the ref.
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Re: Amare , Boris and Horry our for game five...
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2007, 12:24:00 PM »
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In the end, the Suns fans will feel that the league/refs gave game 5 to the Spurs.


Actually Lurker, I'd bet Suns fans already feel the league has given Game 5 to the Spurs.
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Re: Amare , Boris and Horry our for game five...
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2007, 12:26:00 PM »
There was no altercation.  Look at any video...8 of the 10 players along with one ref have already headed down court.  The only pepole left at that end of the court are 1) the ref with the ball, 2) Nash trying to get the ball inbounded, 3) Elson getting up off the floor and running downcourt, and 4) the second ref talking to Elson as he heads downcourt.  So if there is an altercation it was either between Nash & the ref OR Elson and the ref.
No point is on leaving the bench and entering the court.  You can leave it if there is no altercation.  Why not just have it you can't leave it to enter the court, period.  Check ins only.

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Re: Amare , Boris and Horry our for game five...
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2007, 05:37:21 PM »
What are the odds of the Spurs losing Gm 5 and then winning a fully loaded Gm 6 and 7 vs Phx?
30-1?

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Re: Amare , Boris and Horry our for game five...
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2007, 05:59:33 PM »
^^^I have no idea what the Vegas oddsmakers would come up with, but in my humble opinion I think that very will could happen. 

I would not be surprised at all to see the Suns win tonight.  As many have pointed out, especially JoMal's post which I fully agree with, I think the writing is on the wall for the Suns to pull this one out.  Heck, it's not like they're not used to playing without Stoudemire.  They will play a wide open style as usual, and it will come down to hitting their 3's.  If Raja, Barbosa, Nash and Marion shoot well from behind the arc I see the Suns pulling this one out.  Duncan is playing out of his head because Kurt Thomas has actually been doing a pretty good job on him.  Duncan has just been money with the bank shots around the basket.  If KT can stay out of foul trouble, I think the Suns can pull the upset tonight.


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Re: Amare , Boris and Horry our for game five...
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2007, 09:10:10 PM »
OK Rick, I will say it just one more time and perhaps you will understand finally (yeah right). Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw both COMPLETELY LEFT THE BENCH AREA in order to involve themselves (or prtetend they wanted to involve themselves) in the confrontation that was going on between Horry and Bell (IMO Bell dodged a bullet here).

Isn't that an assumption on your part that they intended to get involved in the incident?  This is why the rule is stupid.  It presumes that the reason they got up was to get involved in an altercation.  That is just plain stupid, and it appears the whole world agrees with me about the rule.  I saw the game and I saw the replay.  I saw Amare and Diaw get up and head down along the sideline.  The league says they were 25 feet away from their seats.  But there was no altercation, no fight no nothing.  I wonder just how much they could see from their seats, particularly since D'Antoni was standing between them and the play, which took place on the same side as their bench. 

I imagine they could see that Horry was standing there, and they heard the collision and the noise from the crowd. But it would have been nearly impossible for them to see what happened to Nash.

Bell definitely dodged a bullet, it looked to me like he wanted to take a swing at Horry.  And if you think Horry really only weighs 245, I have a bride I'd like to sell you!   



Amare took WAAAY more than the 3 steps you said he took, but then, you also said Horry had 100 lbs on Nash. Amare was a solid 10-15 feet from his bench and easily 3-4 feet ON THE PLAYING FLOOR, hence the suspension. The rule SAYS NOTHING about whether they actually become involved in whatever is going on on the floor or not, it says you leave the bench, you get suspended, and Amare hardly just "stood up". You really should watch a game if you are going to comment like you know what happened, 3 step tells me you did not see anything.

I think this rule is far too arbitrary in its enforcement, I would like to see it modified so that if a player does get up, even enter the playing floor, he would be suspended for:
A) Getting involved in any way, shape, form, or fashion, or
B) Have his personal conduct in this situation evaluated on a case by case basis to determine whether a suspension is warranted; ie, was he clearly moving with the intent to involve himself, was he mouthing off so as to escalate, or was he merely looking to help a team mate up or try to see if he was OK. IMO the tape shows that whether he was acting or not, Amare made it look like he was going after Horry, so his suspension is warranted, Diaw is a perfect example of why this rule needs modification, he didn't go out as far as Amare, he did not need restraining, and he didn't have that "I'm going to punch somebody" look, fine him, yes, suspend him, no.

I think the rule has its place, if Auburn Hills didn't convince anyone of that, than maybe that sick, immoral pornography called ultimate fighting is more your speed than basketball. A rule to prevent escalation is a good thing, but a rule that is so black and white zero tolerance is not the way to go.