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OT - can someone help out
« on: February 21, 2007, 12:06:55 AM »
I posted something about firefox on general discussion.  Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 01:41:14 PM »
What is the problem with the very overrated Firefox X3?
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 02:46:43 PM »
I posted something about firefox on general discussion.  Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?

What was the something?   I don't see anything on the General Board....

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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 10:32:51 PM »
I posted something about firefox on general discussion.  Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?

What was the something?   I don't see anything on the General Board....

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I've been using Firefox for a couple of months now and I'm not impressed, I prefer IE 7.
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 01:18:01 PM »
I posted something about firefox on general discussion.  Can someone help me out with this Firefox problem?

What was the something?   I don't see anything on the General Board....

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Derek, I run both IE 7 and whatever version Firfox throws at you on a daily basis side by side. While I am hardly a huge fan of Mr. Gates and his underwhelming browser, Firefox is slower, more cumbersome and irritating that almost any version of IE I have used concurrently with FF.

FF has in inordinately slow load and refresh rate, throws 900 million updates at you on a daily basis, hits me with tons of script errors, and is ridiculously cumbersome and non-intuitive to tweak and set up to suit my personal preferences. It errors out just as frequently as IE (although reloading a lost session when it does shut down is a neat feature).

IE 7 may not be the be all end all browser, but it is faster, more user friendly, more intuitve to set up and updates in the background whereas I cannot get FF to do so no matter how hard I try.

I do use them both but when I need speed and quicker navigation, IE is superior (I hate saying that about a Microsoft product)
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 09:51:14 AM »
How many of those script/html errors are you getting because people are not following standards and just writing for IE?

Its true Firefox does bog down if you leave it open for an extended amount of time but there are ways to fix that.  I'd imagine they would patch up the memory leak soon.

As for IE7?  I think its a piece of crap personally.  Everything that is in IE7 has been around in Firefox and Opera for YEARS.  I dont think IE7 is noticeably faster then Firefox either.  I use Firefox in Ubuntu and it screams for me personally.
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 09:56:23 AM »
I use Firefox in Ubuntu and it screams for me personally.

I run Firefox in the good ole USA, not in podunk Africa, and it runs pretty slow for me.

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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 12:29:01 PM »
I've messed around with Firefox here and there and honestly haven't noticed much of a time lag and it seems more secure. 

It seems a lot of the java scripts and trojans that infect your machine don't affect Firefox since they're written for IE 7.  Computer people, is this the right or wrong way of thinking about that.  Since I really have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 12:58:53 PM »
I've messed around with Firefox here and there and honestly haven't noticed much of a time lag and it seems more secure. 

It seems a lot of the java scripts and trojans that infect your machine don't affect Firefox since they're written for IE 7.  Computer people, is this the right or wrong way of thinking about that.  Since I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

That could be correct, same reason Mac's are not hit by alot of viruses as well, nobody cares enough to write a virus for a Mac.  Same reason no team in the NBA gets hyped to beat the Clippers.
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 02:22:26 PM »
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That could be correct, same reason Mac's are not hit by alot of viruses as well, nobody cares enough to write a virus for a Mac.  Same reason no team in the NBA gets hyped to beat the Clippers.

most virii on windows could be avoided if people wouldn't sign on and run their applications as privileged accounts.  That is a problem that is unique to windows and not really prevalent in other operating systems.

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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 05:42:55 PM »
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That could be correct, same reason Mac's are not hit by alot of viruses as well, nobody cares enough to write a virus for a Mac.  Same reason no team in the NBA gets hyped to beat the Clippers.

most virii on windows could be avoided if people wouldn't sign on and run their applications as privileged accounts.  That is a problem that is unique to windows and not really prevalent in other operating systems.

Do you mean log in as a guest or user instead of an admin?
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 06:36:34 PM »
Yes.

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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2007, 06:49:46 PM »
Yes.

What do other OS's do, Unix and VMS were the same from what I remember.  I don't see that as a drawback from the OS, it's more of an implementation issue.  A gun is great unless you point it at yourself and pull the trigger.  I'd rather have the user account access feature than not, how do "other" OS's handle privileges?
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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2007, 08:58:53 PM »
Back when i was forced to use windows for work, I created two accounts.  One as an administrator, one as a regular user.  I'd login to the workstation as the regular user, then if I need to install something or do something else administratively, I'd use "run as".

*nix's work the same way.  The user you login as is a regular, unprivileged user.  You can use "sudo" to run an application as root, which you will need to provide your password in order to do so.

The problem is, if you're running IE as a privileged user, and IE is exploited, that exploit is then run as an administrator.  That leaves open to infinitely more damage that can be done to your computer.  Combine that with XP's primitive permissions structure, and it's a recipe for disaster.  Logging in as an administrator is by far the most easily correctable security hole, and Microsoft never even attempted steer users in a safe direction.  Vista has taken steps to correct this (which is why you're prompted before Vista does anything), but it's still a mess. 

For example, if an application gets exploited in Linux, and it was running as my user, they may be able to delete my personal files, but in no way can they delete/modify system folders or binaries.  Gaining access is essentially useless (unless your goal was to gain my password file for those XXX sites).

like I said, combine that with windows file permissions, and the lack of any worthwhile firewall that comes with it (which you have to then go to 3rd party vendors), and the piss poor update mechanism, and it's a bad combination.

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Re: OT - can someone help out
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2007, 10:47:43 PM »
I guess that might be a problem for the "home" flavor of Windows.  I typically have several account levels at home, I run XP Pro.  Lowest level for my kids, they need me to do pretty much anything new, otherwise they can use the PC without incident and without complaint.  You can use the default permission level or customize to your hearts content.  I don't think 3rd party software is a bad thing, there are tons of cool things out there by third parties.  If I wanted a fisher price dumb and go PC I'd buy my kids a Mac, it's a very well integrated product, everything from PC to MP3 is really smooth, then again so is a Playstation.
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