Author Topic: Raiders to go after Mike Vic? Giving up Porter and Moss?! Good? Bad? Thoughts?  (Read 4342 times)

Offline westkoast

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The Raiders are preparing to make a run at Michael Vick, according to NFL sources. The Raiders package would include receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the No.1 overall pick in the 2007 draft for Vick and the Falcons first round pick (10th overall).
-- foxsports.com

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Raiders should make that trade ASAP.

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Stupid is as stupid does.
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Hey Mr. 2-14 what else are you gonna do with Moss Porter and #1.

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Hey Mr. 2-14 what else are you gonna do with Moss Porter and #1.

Apparently trade them for a guy who provides the void in leadership the Raiders sorely miss.
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That would be a terrible trade for the Raiders.  Absolutely....brutal.

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 :) what exactly do you two propose they do with Porter and Moss?
Since they are currently adding so much.

New coach = rebirth of Team Effort (moss and porter?)

When asstard Porter laughed at his teamates misfourtunes during the early season why would you even want him as a teamate?


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sure, you try to get rid of an asstard like that, BUT NOT for a glorified running back who might complete a pass every now and then FACING charges for marijuana possession in Miami. 

Terrible trade for the Raiders!
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:) what exactly do you two propose they do with Porter and Moss?
Since they are currently adding so much.

New coach = rebirth of Team Effort (moss and porter?)

When asstard Porter laughed at his teamates misfourtunes during the early season why would you even want him as a teamate?



My question is if you trade those two players for Vick....who is he going to throw to?

Porter is a pretty good reciever.  At least the best one the Raiders have had over the past handful of seasons.
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Good point.  While the others mistakenly diss Vicks passing, those who watched know it was largely ATLs weak recievers that cost Vick his 3rd playoffs in 4 years.

If 2007 Oakland presented Vick with crappy recievers the same thing would happen.  Except they would still go 8-8 thanks to SuperVick. :D

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:) what exactly do you two propose they do with Porter and Moss?
Since they are currently adding so much.

New coach = rebirth of Team Effort (moss and porter?)

When asstard Porter laughed at his teamates misfourtunes during the early season why would you even want him as a teamate?



My question is if you trade those two players for Vick....who is he going to throw to?

Porter is a pretty good reciever.  At least the best one the Raiders have had over the past handful of seasons.

westkoast, how the heck would anyone know how good any of the Raider receivers are? Aren't NFL teams required to have this thing called a "quarterback" somewhere on the field to throw them the ball?

The Raiders put 'some guy' behind this liney thingy that on most teams actually tries to protect him from harm, but in the Raiders' brilliance, the coaches tell them, "hold those bad men across from you out of the backfield for a minimum of 15 seconds so we can have our wideouts race waaaaaay down field and maybe curl back and be wide open". Problem is, they don't include those bad men across from them in these little meetings to tell them NOT to play like NFL defensive linemen and actually crash that party. This has proven to be especially effective on third and long plays, where the Oakland quarterbacks get sacked just about every time. Turns out, guarding against the blitz is not part of the 1960's Raider offensive playbook, as teams did not blitz back then, or at least did not call it that. Al Davis has yet to understand what this concept is and everyone around him are too afraid to tell him.

On a side note, the new Raider coach is going to be Lane Kiffen, the 31 year old USC offensive coordinator. A former quarterback at Fresno State, his limited coaching time spent in the NFL was as a "defensive quality control coach" with Jacksonville in 2000, when he worked with the secondary. The rest of his coaching tenures were with Fresno State (Graduate Assistant in 1997 and 1998), Colorado (offensive line assistant), then Jacksonville, and he has been at USC since 2001, first as the tight end coach, then wide receivers coach, passing game coordinator, and finally the offensive coordinator in 2005.

Now he becomes Al Davis' thirty-one year old "Offensive-minded Quality Control and Head Coach, <with a minor in ass-kissing and Yes Sir, Mr. Davis>) that will no doubt stir the Raider Nation to untold new heights in mutual respect over the five year contract Kiffen was given. 
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Aren't NFL teams required to have this thing called a "quarterback" somewhere on the field  to throw them the ball?

...preferably behind the Center.

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Now he becomes Al Davis' thirty-one year old "Offensive-minded Quality Control and Head Coach, <with a minor in ass-kissing and Yes Sir, Mr. Davis>) that will no doubt stir the Raider Nation to untold new heights in mutual respect.
 

Wow...my minor is waaaay more impressive and no one's bangin' on my door to coach an NFL team.
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:) what exactly do you two propose they do with Porter and Moss?
Since they are currently adding so much.

New coach = rebirth of Team Effort (moss and porter?)

When asstard Porter laughed at his teamates misfourtunes during the early season why would you even want him as a teamate?



My question is if you trade those two players for Vick....who is he going to throw to?

Porter is a pretty good reciever.  At least the best one the Raiders have had over the past handful of seasons.

westkoast, how the heck would anyone know how good any of the Raider receivers are? Aren't NFL teams required to have this thing called a "quarterback" somewhere on the field to throw them the ball?

The Raiders put 'some guy' behind this liney thingy that on most teams actually tries to protect him from harm, but in the Raiders' brilliance, the coaches tell them, "hold those bad men across from you out of the backfield for a minimum of 15 seconds so we can have our wideouts race waaaaaay down field and maybe curl back and be wide open". Problem is, they don't include those bad men across from them in these little meetings to tell them NOT to play like NFL defensive linemen and actually crash that party. This has proven to be especially effective on third and long plays, where the Oakland quarterbacks get sacked just about every time. Turns out, guarding against the blitz is not part of the 1960's Raider offensive playbook, as teams did not blitz back then, or at least did not call it that. Al Davis has yet to understand what this concept is and everyone around him are too afraid to tell him.

On a side note, the new Raider coach is going to be Lane Kiffen, the 31 year old USC offensive coordinator. A former quarterback at Fresno State, his limited coaching time spent in the NFL was as a "defensive quality control coach" with Jacksonville in 2000, when he worked with the secondary. The rest of his coaching tenures were with Fresno State (Graduate Assistant in 1997 and 1998), Colorado (offensive line assistant), then Jacksonville, and he has been at USC since 2001, first as the tight end coach, then wide receivers coach, passing game coordinator, and finally the offensive coordinator in 2005.

Now he becomes Al Davis' thirty-one year old "Offensive-minded Quality Control and Head Coach, <with a minor in ass-kissing and Yes Sir, Mr. Davis>) that will no doubt stir the Raider Nation to untold new heights in mutual respect over the five year contract Kiffen was given. 

JoMaL,

Prior to the last two HORRIBLE seasons Porter was leading the team in catches and yardage I believe.  He was the best reciever on the team the year they got punked by the Bucs in the Superbowl.

Other then that, your post was funny as hell.
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You guys are off the hook.
SuperVick is staying put and i would assume Moss and Porter are too.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740940 

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More like staying "putt-putt". As for Jerry Porter being the best receiver with the Raiders, that would sound more impressive if he actually had been activated for more then a game or two last season. What he did before for the team has little bearing on what he is doing now, besides being a thorn in the side of the organization.
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