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Offline Reality

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« on: July 22, 2005, 12:03:56 PM »
SAR could have joined Miami, Spurs, Heat, Pistons.....

Ray Allen

on and on.

It's getting old and tired.

So it's possible that the Nets could shock and make the Finals.  How much you wanna put down on that?  I'm giving 10-1 odds.  Lets see your money.

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2005, 12:50:59 PM »
I think you ought to chill a little on SAR's opinion to go to the Nets.

Why did Malone choose the Lakers over SA?  A lot of it had to do with the fact that he wanted the STARTING PF job.  

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SAR could have joined Miami, Spurs, Heat, Pistons.....

That's only three teams -- would Pop guarantee SAR a starting PF job?  I think Pop is pretty happy with the team he has -- and he LIKES having two 7' playing together.  Pop wouldn't guarantee Malone a starting position -- why would he guarantee SAR?  Miami and the Heat are actually the same team but they resigned Haslem and while SAR is a better player (at least offensively), the Heat don't need to mess with the chemistry (and Haslem is one of Shaq's favs -- don't want to make Shaq mad).  We all know that SAR isn't going to start for Detroit -- so who CAN he start for?  

NJ has a great PG (if Kidd can get healthy again) and they have a great SF (Jefferson) -- they NEED a post player and that need is something that SAR can fulfill.

If SAR was all about money, he would have taken the sign-and-trade that Portland was scrambling to put together but he was more interested in going to a team that he thought had a chance in the playoffs (it certainly helps that he moved to the EC) and that needed a PF where he could start.

Most great players actually want to earn a ring rather than watching others earn it.  I don't find it too surprising that SAR didn't go to the Spurs, Heat, Pistons -- I think he could have helped some other teams (SacTown would have been a better fit, IMO) who had a better shot but I don't see SacTown (even with SAR) beating Phoenix or San Antonio.  I think that SAR went to the team that he thought he could help the most!

As for Ray Allen, why are you surprised?  First, the guy loves Seattle -- is there anything wrong with staying put?  Second, if he is happy staying where he is (umm, Seattle did pretty well last year) -- why berate him for his decision?  If EVERY great player decided to jump to a team they thought that had a legit shot at a championship, the NBA wouldn't be a lot of fun during the regular season.  Besides, how many of us (you included) would reject an offer to make twice the money doing the same thing?  

Players who go for a ring rather than big bucks are going to continue to be the exception in the NBA -- just like it is everywhere else in the world.  I actually know people who have turned down making more money elsewhere because of having to move family, relocating, etc.  I think there are a lot of factors and I don't have a problem with a guy who decides to stay put!  Now if he stays put and whines about never winning a championship -- that's a different subject.

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2005, 01:03:53 PM »
Not to mention the nba is filled with ego's.  I think a lot of people would love to be the person to put a team over the top.  He goes to the Spurs, congrats, you just rode in on a horse that won the year before.  Whoopty doo.  However if he wins with NJ, and they win, he's the piece that put them there.

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2005, 01:22:28 PM »
IMO, The Sixers would love to have him in Philly.  Too bad they can't afford him.

Dabods:  Don' t the Sixers get some more space now?  Didn't they have money counting agaist the cap that was going to Coleman, MacCullough and Gieger?

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 01:26:32 PM »
Geiger's been off the cap for 2+ years.  Coleman was traded to Detroit, so he hasn't been on our cap since.  MacCulloch came off last February, and we're still well over the cap, so it gives is no extra room.

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2005, 01:32:26 PM »
Okay, folks - how many players have signed with a team "just to get a ring" and actually GOTTEN a ring?  Mitch Richmond is the only one I can think of.

The idea of signing somewhere "just to get a ring" is laughable, just because of how unsuccessful people are when they try it.  
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2005, 02:16:28 PM »
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Miami and the Heat are actually the same team
Randy,
First this proves you actually read posts, so kudo's for that.  Second Reality gave you one great big opening and you were much to easy on him  :bash: , but a nice sedated jab :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl: .

In any case on Shareef, the guy has never been in the playoffs, and he took $3 to $4 million less than the market value of similar players so he could play for a team that has a chance to go fairly deep in the playoffs.  No one can predict the future, so you go to a situation that fits you well, and gives you a good shot at being successful and competing for a trip to the finals.  I think Shareef did that.  The Nets have a real shot at ho,me court in the first round, and the East will be very competitive 1-5 (Heat, Pistons, Pacers, Cavs, Nets) with at least 3 other teams (Philly, Washington, and Chicago) very much in the mix.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2005, 04:23:58 PM »
I think I would rather have Abdur-Rahim than Cwebb.  Sixers would have been better off not making the trade with Sactown and working something out with Portland for Shareef.

It's bad that NJ gets a decent player at a positon where the Sixers are lacking.  

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2005, 05:59:15 PM »
How about NJ.  They told Kenyon Martin, "NO WAY ARE YOU A MAX PLAYER", got 3 draft picks and a trade exception for him, used 2 of those draft picks and the Alonzo Mourning Albatross to get Vince Carter, kept the Clippers pick that was not lottery protected, and added Shareef Abdur Rahim for half of the money Kenyon Martin got, using the trade exception that they got for Martin.

The Nets may not win an NBA title, but Rod Thorn deserves Executive of the Year, just for that series of moves.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2005, 06:29:52 PM »
why?

One second, they're saying they're not interested in a max contract.  Bruce Rattner completely guts a team, trading 2/5 of the starting lineup for picks.  Then half a season later finds another max contract player to play a position they don't need.

IMO they would have been better off with KMart and Kittles (although in retrospect with the injury...but he may not have gotten injured in NJ) than VC.  Their lack of a postgame, on either side of the ball, was their downfall last year.  And SAR only fixes that problem on one end of the court.

That team had a proven track record.  2 straigth finals.  Breaking it up, IMO, was a mistake.
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2005, 06:30:30 PM »
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Okay, folks - how many players have signed with a team "just to get a ring" and actually GOTTEN a ring?  Mitch Richmond is the only one I can think of.

The idea of signing somewhere "just to get a ring" is laughable, just because of how unsuccessful people are when they try it.
Billy Walton leaving Flamerville and coming out to Boston to muscle up with one of if not the top NBA team of All Time, the '86 Celts.  50-1 Home record will never be touched.

Clyde the Glyde on the Hou Rockets '95.

I'm moving fwd chronologically.  

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2005, 06:49:59 PM »
Yeah, but those guys that got the rings were the exception and not the rule.  Malone, Payton, Barkley, Pippen, Kidd, Walker...

The only guy who's good at it is Robert Horry.  Whatever team he's on, you have to watch in the playoffs.  

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2005, 07:04:40 PM »
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why?

One second, they're saying they're not interested in a max contract.  Bruce Rattner completely guts a team, trading 2/5 of the starting lineup for picks.  Then half a season later finds another max contract player to play a position they don't need.

IMO they would have been better off with KMart and Kittles (although in retrospect with the injury...but he may not have gotten injured in NJ) than VC.  Their lack of a postgame, on either side of the ball, was their downfall last year.  And SAR only fixes that problem on one end of the court.

That team had a proven track record.  2 straigth finals.  Breaking it up, IMO, was a mistake.
At the end of 03-04 they had Kittles and KMart, plus their own pick the next 3 years.  Kittles was to make $9.6 million, and KMart was wanting $9.5 million, and they had Mourning, A Williams, and Eric Williams making a combined $12.9 million.  That is $32 million to these 5 players and 3 draft picks.  They finished the season 47-35, and lost in the second round of the playoffs

They now have Vince Carter making $13.8 million, Shareef Abdur Rahim making $5 million, got $3 million in cash for their #1 last year, added Antoine Wright in the draft this year, and will have an almost guaranteed lottery pick next with the Clippers pick.  That is $18.8 million less the $3 million in cash they got for last years #1 pick, and highly probable lottery pick next year.
The franchise is in far better shape today than last year, and they have as good if not a better chance of competing for a trip to the finals than they had after 03-04.  After a couple of successful seasons they will leave NJ for NYC, as the Knicks continue to struggle to get out of salary cap hell.

If I was NJ I would much rather be where they are today, than where they would be if they had kept KMArt, and not made any of the other moves they have made.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2005, 07:06:30 PM »
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Okay, folks - how many players have signed with a team "just to get a ring" and actually GOTTEN a ring?  Mitch Richmond is the only one I can think of.

The idea of signing somewhere "just to get a ring" is laughable, just because of how unsuccessful people are when they try it.
Billy Walton leaving Flamerville and coming out to Boston to muscle up with one of if not the top NBA team of All Time, the '86 Celts.  50-1 Home record will never be touched.

Clyde the Glyde on the Hou Rockets '95.

I'm moving fwd chronologically.  

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Clyde was traded by Portland to Houston for Otis Thorpe and a #1 pick.  He didn't sign as a FA with Houston.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2005, 07:28:23 PM »
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Clyde was traded by Portland to Houston for Otis Thorpe and a #1 pick.  He didn't sign as a FA with Houston. [/quote]
 Clyde was clearly in "trade me or I wont play" mode.  In fact he sat out the last 6-7 Blazer games before the trade, didn't he?  I was frying at Looooser Wally Walker turning down the 1st shot at Clyde.  Clyde for Kendall Gill -straight across. :eek2:  :nod:   Sonics would have titled IMO.

Anywho I was taking it as players who have been in the league for a while, played well but playing on teams that either did not make the playoffs for some time or putzed around with 1st round and outs or just flat didn't have a title.  Now granted, Clydes Blazer teams were fantastic, in fact a couple years I thought they had the best squad but the Rick Adleman syndrome.

Pippen did the right thing coming to the Blazers.  They chocked away a title shot.

Randolph, Malone coming to L.A. just soley he could "start as a PF". :rolleyes:
He had visions of sugar plumbs, more cheapshots, fairys and and an NBA title 100%.