Malik says goodbye

[Reality]

Well just in case there is someone out in cyber world that cares:

>What did Malik do in the games where he and Horry played equal minutes?  Huh, >answer that!  

If you mean a couple of the Mem games where they both played like 4 minutes a game, its pretty insignifigant.
Since it was only a couple games the entire playoffs, they did about the same.

>

22% as it was is a bad % for Malik.

>If you aren't going to chastise Malik for shooting 22%, then I think you have to >give Horry a break on the 23% -- doesn't that make sense?

No it doesnt.  Horry was 22% in 27 minutes per game, way more shots.  Rose 8 per game.  Randolph when trying to find a pattern for stats, you need to use more then the few minutes Rose played in the series, esp vs LA.  One a coach with an offensive brain would have noticed.  The year before Popazit would have let Dallas beat them.  He had no intention of putting Stevie Kerr in.  Only when two Spurs guards had foul trouble Super Steve came in.  When both Horry and Malik were playing poorly offensively in the same games i would have pulled both of them and gone on to punk the Imposter Lakers.  I wouldn't have chastised either one of them.

>Oh, and why didn't you respond to the rebounding issue (one of Malik' stronger >points compared to Horry).  Why don't you do the math on RP48 minutes played >during this playoff run?  

14.3 Horry, 14.1 Malik.
rrrrrraaaaagh Horry dominated him.  What about this "math"?

In game 3 vs Lakers Malik in only 15 minutes pulled down 7 boards.  Why he didn't duplicate that in Game 4s 11 minutes i don't recall.  Must have to do with Kobes greatness.  

>Oh, and why you are at it -- why didn't you notice what Horry did in the Memphis game?  Did you fail to note that?  It's the reason WHY he played more minutes in the Lakers series -- and then when he wasn't performing, Pop brought in Malik and gave him a few more minutes than he was giving Horry and what did Malik do?  Nothing -- how many rebounds did he get in game four against the Lakers in 11 >minutes?  One!  One rebound!  Guess you want to overlook those stats, huh?  

14.3 to 14.1 rrrrrraaaagh.  What do you want me to "overlook" about this rp48 stat?


>Face it, Pop DID give Malik some minutes in the playoffs -- but Malik failed to >produce in those minutes!

Somewhat true.  7 boards in 15 minutes tho?  Thats producing.  Otherwise they produced about the same.  Yet Pop kept Malik out, kept Horry in.  It didn't work.  It was .4 from working so it was close.  I want Malik in the .4 low scoring Game 5 clincher.  Who knows maybe Malik would have tanked in Game 5 also.

>Oh, you mean "punking the Lakers" to the Lakers three NBA Championships? I >agree -- thanks Malik for making that happen!

Brakk!  Brakk!  the Lakers won three straight *titles*.  Thanks to Malik.  Pfffft.

The 2002 title was real.  Props.  The other ones let me get that Juice order blank form out again.

[Guest_Randy]

You have a REALLY bad habit, Reality -- of flat IGNORING anything that doesn't agree with your conclusions.

What did Horry do in the Memphis series?
What did Malik do?

ANSWER that question!  

Neither played well in the Lakers series -- but there was a LOT of Spurs who didn't -- how many of those are you going to "bench" -- you going to play Timmy all by himself?

And it REALLY doesn't make any difference how many minutes he played as to the FG% -- IF Malik had come in and shot 50% -- probably even 45% and garnered rebounds, then Pop would have played him.  

What I find interesting is this:  

1)  Horry produces in 1st playoff series.
2)  Rose didn't (something you STILL won't admit)
3)  Horry doesn't produce in 2nd series
4)  Rose doesn't produce in 2nd series.

But you think that Rose should have played more minutes than Horry.  Interesting logic -- Rose hadn't done much of ANYTHING in the playoffs and yet you want to give him minutes?  Why?  You keep saying that Pop should have played Malik more minutes -- he DID!  In game 3 of the Lakers, Malik had 15 minutes to Horry's 12 -- what did Rose do?  1 of 6 from the floor!  You keep pointing to 8 minutes and pumping 7 rebounds but you neglect to notice that Rose was 1-6 from the floor -- 2 missed 3 pointers and 2 out of 4 (50%) from the line -- oh, he DID get 7 rebounds.  In game 4 against the Lakers -- Rose got 11 minutes, Horry got 7.  What did Rose do?  1 rebound -- 2 points (1 for 2) -- Horry?  You seem to be QUITE impressed with Roses 7 rebounds in 15 minutes but not impressed with Horry's game 4 of 6 rebounds in 7 minutes?  Oh, that's right -- that falls into the category of "it doesn't support YOUR twisted version of reality so let's ignore that."  

Pop GAVE Rose his chance -- in game 3 he squandered it with poor FG%, in game 4, Rose didn't do anything so it leaves Pop in this dilemna -- play Horry or Rose -- Rose is a better one-on-one post defender, Horry is a better team defender who can knock down an outside shot (although he wasn't hitting, at least Horry had done SOMETHING in the playoffs).

It's really funny that you want to "applaud" Rose by choosing a series that Rose played poorly in -- why didn't you talk about what Rose HAS done -- rather than what he HASN'T done!  That would have been a better post for a person "claiming" to try to give props for Malik.

[SPURSX3]

Ok so what ive got from this thread....

Horry is the sole reason why the Spurs lost to the Lakers last year in the playoffs.

Malik Rose is the sole reason why the Spurs have beat the Lakers once in the last 5 years during the playoffs.

West, dont forget that REALITY is now a bandwagon freeagent, having been replaced, by of all things, a pet rock.

I cant believe this thread has gone on this long...

ok  I like Malik, Pop made the right move for Malik, the team, and the fans.  nuff said...

 

[westkoast]

Ok so what ive got from this thread....

Horry is the sole reason why the Spurs lost to the Lakers last year in the playoffs.

Malik Rose is the sole reason why the Spurs have beat the Lakers once in the last 5 years during the playoffs.

West, dont forget that REALITY is now a bandwagon freeagent, having been replaced, by of all things, a pet rock.

I cant believe this thread has gone on this long...

ok  I like Malik, Pop made the right move for Malik, the team, and the fans.  nuff said...

I thought the move was a bad move but I took a step back and looked at the following..

1 ) Pop has done a VERY excellent job of moving and grabbing players to keep the Spurs team at the top of the NBA.  Obviously what Pop thinks is the way to go has turned out to be the way to go...many times.  Where is Koast?  Certainly not taking Mitch Kupchek's spot anytime soon :lol:

2 ) I dont get to watch the Spurs as much as the Spurs fans around here so if you guys are telling me that Horry is able to pull some weight like Malik did then Ill believe it.

3 ) After reading about  the money issues comming up after this season I again had to switch up what I was saying about the trade.  From a money stand point this def makes alot of sense.

[Reality]

Well I actually hope the Spurs Krishna, Randy and Suckup are correct by default.

Because now with Timmy Dunker down we'll get to see what Nazr Mohammed can do.  Oh wait his two minutes per game are already enough for you. :rofl:

I know pom pomers, Nazr had been injured, no need to babble about his Spurs stats.  Or is there? :rofl:  

[westkoast]

Well I actually hope the Spurs Krishna, Randy and Suckup are correct by default.

Because now with Timmy Dunker down we'll get to see what Nazr Mohammed can do.  Oh wait his two minutes per game are already enough for you. :rofl:

I know pom pomers, Nazr had been injured, no need to babble about his Spurs stats.  Or is there? :rofl:

Its all good........Thats the upside of having a team deep like the Spurs.  If a big time player goes down you have plenty of guys to help pull that massive load that Timmy does.

Besides, its not like Malik would be the perfect man to come in and fill Tim's shoes.  He would be doing small things here and there like all these others guys will be doing.

[SPURSX3]

Well I actually hope the Spurs Krishna, Randy and Suckup are correct by default.

Because now with Timmy Dunker down we'll get to see what Nazr Mohammed can do.  Oh wait his two minutes per game are already enough for you. :rofl:

I know pom pomers, Nazr had been injured, no need to babble about his Spurs stats.  Or is there? :rofl:

Its all good........Thats the upside of having a team deep like the Spurs.  If a big time player goes down you have plenty of guys to help pull that massive load that Timmy does.

Besides, its not like Malik would be the perfect man to come in and fill Tim's shoes.  He would be doing small things here and there like all these others guys will be doing.

If Reality WAS a real Spurs fan he would know that when Tim has been out of a game the one Spurs to really step up and cover his points has been - amazingly enough - RASHO!  I believe stepped up last year while Tim was out for about four game, and I believe he averaged 20+ points per game, this year Tim had missed two games, Rasho had a good night for one of them and a poor night for the second, I think he scored like 4 or 5 points.  so 5/6 games of good performance by him while Tim is down is very good in my book.  He wont always pull through like that, but hey, who could??  Tim is the Franchise here, nobody else can replace him, even Manu who stepped up for 31 cant replace the big man.  So before REALITY-impaired tries to say Nazr is the reason we could lose the upcoming game, just let me say that if Malik WAS still here - we still could lose easily if Tim was out for this next game.  

I like the "Suckup" referrence, that was creative... :rofl:

[Reality]

Duncan was out for 10 games last year.  Rasha stiff came no where near averaging 20 pts a game.

PopaStiff, who had repressed the Spurs to -100 pts a game for 50 of the 55 games before Dunker went down, was forced to open it up.  Turkey began to blossom, as did Parker and Manu in run mode.  Passed 100+ 5 of the 10 games!
50 Games with 5 100+s compared to a 10 game stretch with 5.  Signifigance?  
The Spurs are like 39-1 over the past two years when RepressA-Zit allows them to open it up on O and get over 100 pts.


Rasha did fill in nicely.  However it was the open offense of ALL that made it work for the Spurs in the non-Tim stretch.
As you can see PopaStiff has also opened it up much more this season.  It works.  Get a grip.

That Pop is a great D coach I concur.  Very very pleased to hear Malik say he was "a great person, not just a great coach".  Isn't that what its really all about?

Nonetheless, can you see where if Pop would consistently add Offense to his already great D schemes, well that would do it for me.

Okay I know now that you simply go to games and root root root for the Spurs as Randy and Westkoast do for the Lakers.  Just as i look to them for skewed hoop knowledge I will realize you have many of the same type views.  Its cool.  Randy, can we talk again about something you do know a lot about?  That being singing/voice stuff.  Other side please.

Many studies have also been done on Birth to Grave You Must Root for Only One Team cultism.  I'll post them later.

Can we agree that 100+ is goooood for the Spurs?  Open up offense is goooood for the Spurs. If you caught the OT win at PHX earlier this year you know what I'm talking about.  The bomb.

[westkoast]

Well I actually hope the Spurs Krishna, Randy and Suckup are correct by default.

Because now with Timmy Dunker down we'll get to see what Nazr Mohammed can do.  Oh wait his two minutes per game are already enough for you. :rofl:

I know pom pomers, Nazr had been injured, no need to babble about his Spurs stats.  Or is there? :rofl:

Its all good........Thats the upside of having a team deep like the Spurs.  If a big time player goes down you have plenty of guys to help pull that massive load that Timmy does.

Besides, its not like Malik would be the perfect man to come in and fill Tim's shoes.  He would be doing small things here and there like all these others guys will be doing.

If Reality WAS a real Spurs fan he would know that when Tim has been out of a game the one Spurs to really step up and cover his points has been - amazingly enough - RASHO!  I believe stepped up last year while Tim was out for about four game, and I believe he averaged 20+ points per game, this year Tim had missed two games, Rasho had a good night for one of them and a poor night for the second, I think he scored like 4 or 5 points.  so 5/6 games of good performance by him while Tim is down is very good in my book.  He wont always pull through like that, but hey, who could??  Tim is the Franchise here, nobody else can replace him, even Manu who stepped up for 31 cant replace the big man.  So before REALITY-impaired tries to say Nazr is the reason we could lose the upcoming game, just let me say that if Malik WAS still here - we still could lose easily if Tim was out for this next game.  

I like the "Suckup" referrence, that was creative... :rofl:

LOL ya...if I dont give the Spurs or any other team credit I am a Laker nozer blinded by the smog.  If I give credit where credit is do...I am a suck up.  Its lose lose unless you 100% agree with the almighty basketball god known to us common fans just as "Reality"

Like I said, after seeing Luis play and hearing about the contract of Malik I too have to agree this was a better trade for the long run.  Pop is worried about the Spurs for years to come not just in case they need Malik to come in and single handly destroy the Lakers in the playoffs :rolleyes:

100+ is good for the Spurs as long as they get a W.  Just like if they scored 80 and got the W.  IMO how much they score is not as important as how much the other team scores.  Come playoff time the defense is going to be what wins them the games.  

[SPURSX3]

Duncan was out for 10 games last year.  Rasha stiff came no where near averaging 20 pts a game.

PopaStiff, who had repressed the Spurs to -100 pts a game for 50 of the 55 games before Dunker went down, was forced to open it up.  Turkey began to blossom, as did Parker and Manu in run mode.  Passed 100+ 5 of the 10 games!
50 Games with 5 100+s compared to a 10 game stretch with 5.  Signifigance?  
The Spurs are like 39-1 over the past two years when RepressA-Zit allows them to open it up on O and get over 100 pts.


Rasha did fill in nicely.  However it was the open offense of ALL that made it work for the Spurs in the non-Tim stretch.
As you can see PopaStiff has also opened it up much more this season.  It works.  Get a grip.

That Pop is a great D coach I concur.  Very very pleased to hear Malik say he was "a great person, not just a great coach".  Isn't that what its really all about?

Nonetheless, can you see where if Pop would consistently add Offense to his already great D schemes, well that would do it for me.

Okay I know now that you simply go to games and root root root for the Spurs as Randy and Westkoast do for the Lakers.  Just as i look to them for skewed hoop knowledge I will realize you have many of the same type views.  Its cool.  Randy, can we talk again about something you do know a lot about?  That being singing/voice stuff.  Other side please.

Many studies have also been done on Birth to Grave You Must Root for Only One Team cultism.  I'll post them later.

Can we agree that 100+ is goooood for the Spurs?  Open up offense is goooood for the Spurs. If you caught the OT win at PHX earlier this year you know what I'm talking about.  The bomb.

If you are basing your stats for Rasho on ESPN game log for las season I can tell you that the logs, as far as opponents and dates, dont match for Tim and Rasho.  not sure what the problem is, but the stats are wrong on one of them.

Yes, Reality, I go to games and root root root, i see the  games as they happen, i read them the following day recap, i agree and disagree with them at times.  but hey I guess I have just followed them for over a decade blindly with no knowledge of the game whatsoever.  maybe I should just join some other teams bandwagon, look at them play occasionally or only during the playoffs, read the game box and assume I know more about that team than the local home grown fan who has follwed them for over a decade....then maybe I can elevate myself to your level of NBA wisdom.

nobody is argueing that 100+ points per game is good, but where did malik figure into that?  I thought super-manu, timmy, and tony had more to do with all that??

nobody ever said Nazr was "the one" but since you cant stand for people to call you a shmuck you would be the one to take it that way.  PS, I'll be at the game this monday sitting next to that pet rock of tims rooting blindly....maybe it can explain to me when i should cheer and how i will kow when my home team scores... :rofl:  

[Guest_Randy]

Reality, I always like Malik -- he played Shaq about as well as a smaller player could play him (Cliff Robinson still wins in that department) but while he's a solid role player and a nice guy, he isn't everything you claim.  IF he was as good as you claim, he would be doing MUCH better on a really bad Knicks team and get some playing time -- but sadly, that isn't the case -- he is struggling to get playing time from the likes of Sweeney and Maurice Taylor.

Go look up how well he is doing in NY!  I mean this is NY -- the only decent guy the Knicks have in the post is Kurt Thomas and he's only decent -- but Malik can't beat those other guys out of playing time.  Malik is a solid rebounder, a decent 18' shot and a good one-on-one post defender!  Those guys are a dime a dozen in the NBA!  Malik's a great guy and I liked his play because of his energy and hustle -- however, you have him rated WAY too high!

Perhaps after a couple of more years coming off the bench, you will begin to see true reality -- but I doubt it!  

[Reality]

Weak weak and more weak.

Seen all those Spurs games and you still never saw a Dump it To Tim and stand around offense?  You couldn't completely get that from a box score, which means how do (did) you miss the Dump It offense at all the games you saw live?  What are you watching instead?  Wait dont answer that.

Yes lets have your corrected stats on Rahso and Tim, since ESPN is wrong.  Be accountable.

[SPURSX3]

Weak weak and more weak.

Seen all those Spurs games and you still never saw a Dump it To Tim and stand around offense?  You couldn't completely get that from a box score, which means how do (did) you miss the Dump It offense at all the games you saw live.  What are you watching instead.  Wait dont answer that.

Yes lets have your corrected stats on Rahso and Tim, since ESPN is wrong.  Be accountable.

LMAO!!  :rofl:

ok first you looked at the 48 minutes stat to base your whole arguement on, which is IF he could play 48 minutes - what is the best guess as to his his performance - that was your first assenine error.  secondly, you CAN go to look at the stats yourself and see that the stats DON'T match.  what am I being accountable for again??

I know the voices on your head are probably telling you, "go reality go, your soo smart, you got them on the ropes!"  I think the three of us are all laughing our arses off at this whole thing!  Atleast I am.  I cant really speak for WK or Randy.  "weak weak and more weak"  uh huh, as oppossed to the nba trinity of wisom which is "reality, himself, and the voices in his head" otherwise known as "dumb, dumber and brain dead."  You make Malik sound as if we traded Jordan away in hi hayday.  It's freaking Malik Rose, he is a great guy who plays ball and owns a couple of philly's famous cheese steak joints, but he is not the freaking nba messiah.  What is weak is the fact that you can see that if we are to get Scola next season - and re-sign tony, and devon brown - how do we do that with a LARGE contract for a player that we HARDLY ever use - scola, after all would be before Malik off the bench - so HOW DOES THAT MAKE MALIK MORE VALUEABLE TO OUR TEAM OH MASTER OF STRENGTH AND INTELLIGENCE.  Nazr may not be here next season, that just frees up money to make our team better.

you want to know what I am watching, i am watching what i have watched since David Robinson was a rookie - which is the SPurs kick tail in the NBA, and get a couple of titles in the process.  I have already explained WHY Nazr is important to us, you see that as not answering because nobody gave Nazr accolades.  I didnt say he was a savior, or an allstar, but he HELPS where Malik was not used to help - that makes sense.  whats weak is your one track mind in that you cant see the big picture for what it is.  did we trade the right person - YES WE DID, Horry is more useful to our team, as is Nazr, as is RASHO.  and although we may not be winning by as much as we were before Malik was traded - that is NOT because of his in game performance, if anything it is just the chemistry was mucked up by the trade, but we WILL get back on track - Malik was family after all.  how many times does everyone have to point these things out to you before you see the light? :moon:


 :rofl:
 

[Reality]

ok first you looked at the 48 minutes stat to base your whole arguement on, which is IF he could play 48 minutes - what is the best guess as to his his performance - that was your first assenine error.  secondly, you CAN go to look at the stats yourself and see that the stats DON'T match.  what am I being accountable for again??

 :rofl:

Okay as far as your wanting me to tell you what you were saying, I'm going to have to charge $150 an hour for that.

However, for free if you want to look at a couple of your quotes, here they are:

"If Reality WAS a real Spurs fan he would know that when Tim has been out of a game the one Spurs to really step up and cover his points has been - amazingly enough - RASHO! I believe stepped up last year while Tim was out for about four game, and I believe he averaged 20+ points per game

When I then posted the correct stats, your retort was:

If you are basing your stats for Rasho on ESPN game log for las season I can tell you that the logs, as far as opponents and dates, dont match for Tim and Rasho. not sure what the problem is, but the stats are wrong on one of them.

Go for it.  Be accountable.

[Reality]

Reality, I always like Malik -- he played Shaq about as well as a smaller player could play him (Cliff Robinson still wins in that department) but while he's a solid role player and a nice guy, he isn't everything you claim.  IF he was as good as you claim, he would be doing MUCH better on a really bad Knicks team and get some playing time -- but sadly, that isn't the case -- he is struggling to get playing time from the likes of Sweeney and Maurice Taylor.

Go look up how well he is doing in NY!  I mean this is NY -- the only decent guy the Knicks have in the post is Kurt Thomas and he's only decent -- but Malik can't beat those other guys out of playing time.  Malik is a solid rebounder, a decent 18' shot and a good one-on-one post defender!  Those guys are a dime a dozen in the NBA!  Malik's a great guy and I liked his play because of his energy and hustle -- however, you have him rated WAY too high!

Perhaps after a couple of more years coming off the bench, you will begin to see true reality -- but I doubt it!

Oh but i never said the trade would not work, just questioned whether one who showed great heart and soul should have been the one to go.   That led to X3s dogmatic stance that Malik should go, not Horry.  Westkoast agreed with me before climing into bed with you two.

I think Maliks performance in NY is perhaps he is really a closet Laker.  Being so disappointed that he could not join the Purple n Gold he is too despondant to play like the good old days when the Spurs really did kick ass.