Malik says goodbye

[SPURSX3]

http://video.woai.com/viewer/content/speci..._ID=14&Obj_ID=4

[SPURSX3]

The Spurs played like they have really been affected by Malik leaving the team.  Hopefully they pull out of this sadness so they can regroup and get back to winning games.  It was nice to see Malik take down 8 rebounds for NY helping them beat the Pacers.  good game.

[Reality]

"The Spurs had pursued Mohammed because of his size and potential. New York officials initially did not want to let him go unless they received Nesterovic in return."

Is this article saying The Spurs could have had Mohammed for RashaStiff?  And kept Rose?  Say it aint so.

Well i am happy to hear Malik say he is not bitter at 'Zit.
Why on Earth did Pop trade Malik?  And throw in 2005 AND 2006 1st Round draft pics? :crazy:

What is Pop saying, what specific reasons are being given?  Video says the day before Pop expected no trades to come down.  

When you get quotes please post.
I've some some about the cap relief.  Not enough to convince me.
Also that they want to make a run at Argentia boy the forward and need cap space.  Okay dump RashaStiff instead of trading Malik.  Oh no takers?  :rolleyes:

As for last nights game and the trade overall it seems to make zero sense.  Tim Dunker refusing to talk to media about it is another bad sign.

[SPURSX3]

"The Spurs had pursued Mohammed because of his size and potential. New York officials initially did not want to let him go unless they received Nesterovic in return."

Is this article saying The Spurs could have had Mohammed for RashaStiff?  And kept Rose?  Say it aint so.

Well i am happy to hear Malik say he is not bitter at 'Zit.
Why on Earth did Pop trade Malik?  And throw in 2005 AND 2006 1st Round draft pics? :crazy:

What is Pop saying, what specific reasons are being given?  Video says the day before Pop expected no trades to come down.  

When you get quotes please post.
I've some some about the cap relief.  Not enough to convince me.
Also that they want to make a run at Argentia boy the forward and need cap space.  Okay dump RashaStiff instead of trading Malik.  Oh no takers?  :rolleyes:

As for last nights game and the trade overall it seems to make zero sense.  Tim Dunker refusing to talk to media about it is another bad sign.

why did Pop trade Malik...  his contract is too high for us to really try to resign Tony, Devin Brown, and we have to have room for Luis Scola.

why malik over rasho.  sinple we have one real center, the rest are are power fowards.  which means we are over loaded at the power forward spot.

malik was hardly used because pop has robert horry who can do what malik does, so robert is first off the bench now instead of malik.

rasho needs backup, or we need a better starter, pop will see who is playing better and use them appropriately.  

malik is a great guy, and the team does like him, even Pop, but come on the guy was not being used for what he is paid, we need that money for players that can help us - not saying that we couldnt count on him, but he is playing a spot that we have too many players at - it will only be worse next year when we sign luis scola.

he will be better off in new york or a team that can use his skills, he deserves that much.  our team will miss his heart and great friendship, but it is a good move for both the team and malik actually.  he still lives here in SA, his family has moved down here from philly and they love it here, malik intends to keep his "philly's famous" joints open and running, and eventually he will be back in SA to help the organization - after his NBA career unless somehow he comes back like sean did.

so no, pop was not crazy to trade him instead of rasho.  although it still bites....

[Reality]

 

>why did Pop trade Malik...  his contract is too high for us to really try to resign Tony, Devin Brown, and we have to have room for Luis Scola.

The Scola guy better be good.  Why hasn't he already signed?  I love Devin Brown but dont see how he is a must sign over Malik.  Yes i know who Scola is, the smart ass that jammed with 1 game second left and a 10 point lead against the US Oly team.  And yes i know the jam might have represented 60 years of having it handed to them by team USA so I'm not that uptight about the jam, just dissapointed in nutless Team USA to let him do it.

>why malik over rasho.  sinple we have one real center, the rest are are power fowards.  which means we are over loaded at the power forward spot.

Completely Zits fault for overeacting when the Lakers were gifted Karl Malone and Pouton.  His response was to sign Rasha.  Rasha has been okay, very good at times but obviously he is not the backup or twin tower to Tim that they needed.
Why not RashaStiff for Mohammed?  There is your improvement.  Knicks probably insisted Rose be a part of it.

>malik was hardly used because pop has robert horry who can do what malik does, so robert is first off the bench now instead of malik.

This is my biggest beef and biggest disagreement with you.  Horry can not (well did not) do what Malik did.  Horry shot 23% vs the Lakers and did not make a 3 pter in the 6 game playoff series.  Malik was benched for 4 of those games vs the Flamers.  That aint right! :nonono:   In the 74-73 miracle game, for all intents and purposes the elimination game, a tight defensive low scoring game is exactly where Malik excells on both ends.  

This year the per 48 stats has Malik slamming 18 pts and 13 boards a game.  6 of those rpg were Malik Special Offensive Boards.  Horry is at 13 and 5, both with similiar minutes.  Perhaps Horry has lost the Title Touch at 34 years old but Malik at 30 has not.

>rasho needs backup, or we need a better starter, pop will see who is playing better and use them appropriately.  

Okay well whats done is done.  Malik has been traded, Mohammed is now a Spur.  Nobody has posted squat about Mohammed (WOW where is NYC Dog?) so fine, lets give the guy a shot and see what he can do in a Spurs uniform.  He is 3-4 inches talled then Malik.  If he can run that would be a huge plus.

I don't underestimate the heart/attitude factor that Malik brought.  I remember the Celts before Red Aeurbach went brain dead.  Another great warrior in the Malik mode was Cornbread Maxwell.  After putting the Lakers in their place in the 1984 Finals he had a falling out with Red in '85 and was traded over Reds feeling the '85 Championship was Bostons if Cornbread would have rehabbed his injury harder.
Traded after the 85 season.

Props to Malik.  What a great guy and props for the video, that was classy.  

[Guest_Randy]

Reality, for once you actually do have a point -- Malik had a great part in the "chemistry" of the Spurs -- much like most of the players do.  Malik has been the "warrior" -- much like Bruce Bowen but TD has really grown in that area making Malik less necessary.  

The fact is that Malik wasn't even playing much -- and he was making a lot of money to ride the pine!  He wasn't going to play the center position -- he wasn't even getting playing time and the Spurs really NEED a decent back-up (or someone to replace Rasho in the starting position).  I'm not sure that Nazr is a starter -- neither are the Spurs -- but all they had to trade was a player who wasn't playing (and making too much money to not play) -- it was a pretty easy business decision.  If you look at the Spurs roster, the weak link is the center position -- they can probably win a championship even with that weak link -- Detroit, IMO, is the only team that will make them pay in this area -- and SA can still overcome that deficit.  Few championship teams have not had weaknesses -- it's just a matter of strengths being greater than weaknesses.  

SA made a pretty good swap here -- I don't have a CLUE what Isaiah was thinking.  Malik is definately good enough to help a team but NY is already LOADED with PF's and from what I hear, they still want to give the starting position to Sweeney (why would you trade your starting Center for PF to ride the bench?).  Isaiah just doesn't have a CLUE -- and when you factor in that the Spurs got two draft picks in addition to Nazr?  SA made a pretty good deal here -- and laughed all the way to the bank.

SA WILL miss Malik -- but it's not because of his presence on the court.  They miss him because SA, at this point, acts like family in the lockeroom and Malik WAS a big part of the family.

[SPURSX3]

 

>why did Pop trade Malik...  his contract is too high for us to really try to resign Tony, Devin Brown, and we have to have room for Luis Scola.

The Scola guy better be good.  Why hasn't he already signed?  I love Devin Brown but dont see how he is a must sign over Malik.  Yes i know who Scola is, the smart ass that jammed with 1 game second left and a 10 point lead against the US Oly team.  And yes i know the jam might have represented 60 years of having it handed to them by team USA so I'm not that uptight about the jam, just dissapointed in nutless Team USA to let him do it.

>why malik over rasho.  sinple we have one real center, the rest are are power fowards.  which means we are over loaded at the power forward spot.

Completely Zits fault for overeacting when the Lakers were gifted Karl Malone and Pouton.  His response was to sign Rasha.  Rasha has been okay, very good at times but obviously he is not the backup or twin tower to Tim that they needed.
Why not RashaStiff for Mohammed?  There is your improvement.  Knicks probably insisted Rose be a part of it.

>malik was hardly used because pop has robert horry who can do what malik does, so robert is first off the bench now instead of malik.

This is my biggest beef and biggest disagreement with you.  Horry can not (well did not) do what Malik did.  Horry shot 23% vs the Lakers and did not make a 3 pter in the 6 game playoff series.  Malik was benched for 4 of those games vs the Flamers.  That aint right! :nonono:   In the 74-73 miracle game, for all intents and purposes the elimination game, a tight defensive low scoring game is exactly where Malik excells on both ends.  

This year the per 48 stats has Malik slamming 18 pts and 13 boards a game.  6 of those rpg were Malik Special Offensive Boards.  Horry is at 13 and 5, both with similiar minutes.  Perhaps Horry has lost the Title Touch at 34 years old but Malik at 30 has not.

>rasho needs backup, or we need a better starter, pop will see who is playing better and use them appropriately.  

Okay well whats done is done.  Malik has been traded, Mohammed is now a Spur.  Nobody has posted squat about Mohammed (WOW where is NYC Dog?) so fine, lets give the guy a shot and see what he can do in a Spurs uniform.  He is 3-4 inches talled then Malik.  If he can run that would be a huge plus.

I don't underestimate the heart/attitude factor that Malik brought.  I remember the Celts before Red Aeurbach went brain dead.  Another great warrior in the Malik mode was Cornbread Maxwell.  After putting the Lakers in their place in the 1984 Finals he had a falling out with Red in '85 and was traded over Reds feeling the '85 Championship was Bostons if Cornbread would have rehabbed his injury harder.
Traded after the 85 season.

Props to Malik.  What a great guy and props for the video, that was classy.  

 :nonono:

why wasnt Scola signed yet, simple, buyouts for foriegn players have a maximum amount of money that an NBA team can offer in order to do so.  Scola's holding team wanted a few mill to buy him out.  Scola, will either be free to sign next year or be able to have tre remainder of his contract bought out, either way the Spurs still own his rights, so if he plays, he plays for us.


why not Rasho for NAZR??

simple again.. Tim being the franchise players NEEDS to have solid backups to go in there and take or give the hard fouls and let him rest, a rested Tim means a better chance of winning for us, if we have to sub power forwards to sub for Rasho then we put them in foul trouble or run the risk of them getting injured, Rahso needs a backup center or atleast competition to get him to play better, and if he loses the starting spot, so be it.  But Nazr gives us a player we can use, where as Malik was NOT being used.  the stats on malik this season are nowhere NEAR what you listed.  Horry plays with heart as well, he is taller, has a longer reach, can be rough the way an NBA veteran can be at times, he is a good player all around for someone who comes of your bench.  he does give us the floor work Malik did.  He just isnt the family member to our team - our community - that Malik was.  Randy is right on about that.

[Guest_Randy]

Malik vs. Horry -- there really isn't much comparison!  Horry is a better shooter (esp. from long range and esp. in crunch time), a better finisher around the rim, a better team defender and while, Malik can play big men very well with power, Horry can play those same men in a pesky way (the way Ben Wallace played Shaq last year, the way Malone played TD last year, etc.) that changes up defense on the player and keeps them off-balance.  

I AM a huge fan of Robert Horry -- always will be -- this is a guy who did EVERYTHING the Lakers asked him to do and did it undersized and underweight -- and helped the Lakers win 3 championships in the process!  

[Reality]

 the stats on malik this season are nowhere NEAR what you listed.  Horry plays with heart as well, he is taller, has a longer reach, can be rough the way an NBA veteran can be at times, he is a good player all around for someone who comes of your bench.  he does give us the floor work Malik did.  He just isnt the family member to our team - our community - that Malik was.  Randy is right on about that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/prof...erId=739&avg=48

If you don't believe ESPN.com stats then try NBA.com
17.6 pts 13.0 boards Malik per 48 with Spurs this year.

As to what Horry did, please Randy and SpursX3 address what he did in last year playoffs in which the Spurs lost 4 straight to L.A.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?...ason=3&split=13
23% shooting overall, and that includes the Spurs wins in Game 1 & 2!

In the 4 straight loss games, Horry made zero shots in Game 3 4 and 5 combined!  Add game 6 whoopie he made 3-12.
In the .4 miracle game, the real elimination game, he played 27 minutes and did not make a shot.  Malik was benched the entire game by Zit.
What Horry did for the Lakers ended in 2003.  I'm addressing what he did last year as a Spur vs the Lakers.
Better then Malik in every way?  Not.  

I surely hope Horry returns to form.
Either way lets keep this thread a prop for Malik.

[SPURSX3]

 the stats on malik this season are nowhere NEAR what you listed.  Horry plays with heart as well, he is taller, has a longer reach, can be rough the way an NBA veteran can be at times, he is a good player all around for someone who comes of your bench.  he does give us the floor work Malik did.  He just isnt the family member to our team - our community - that Malik was.  Randy is right on about that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/prof...erId=739&avg=48

If you don't believe ESPN.com stats then try NBA.com
17.6 pts 13.0 boards Malik per 48 with Spurs this year.

As to what Horry did, please Randy and SpursX3 address what he did in last year playoffs in which the Spurs lost 4 straight to L.A.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?...ason=3&split=13
23% shooting overall, and that includes the Spurs wins in Game 1 & 2!

In the 4 straight loss games, Horry made zero shots in Game 3 4 and 5 combined!  Add game 6 whoopie he made 3-12.
In the .4 miracle game, the real elimination game he played 27 minutes and did not make a shot.  Malik was benched the entire game by Zit.
What Horry did for the Lakers ended in 2003.  Im addressing what he did last year as a Spur vs the Lakers.
Better then Malik in every way?  Not.  

I surely hope Horry returns to form.

LMFAO!!!!!


REALITY, YOU CLICKED AVERAGE "PER 48 MINUTES" CLICK ON "PER GAME" AND YOU WILL SEE HIS DAMN STATS...

LMFAO!!!     :crazy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/prof...erId=739&avg=pg

as for blaming horry, you shmuck, why dont you blame Manu for not playing Fish better at the end of the game.  Yes, Manu had his hands up, no he did not pressure Fish as hard as he could of and allowed Fish to squash our season in .4 seconds.

[Reality]

I intended to click per 48 minutes you moron.
STFU!  Read the posts.

Texas skool system.

Already addressed Manus soft D on Fisher back when it happened.  You know even the slightest pressure and we'd have been watching Swisher shoot FTs.
Playing the change the subject card is weak.

[SPURSX3]

I intended to click per 48 minutes you moron.
STFU!  Read the posts.

Texas skool system.

Already addressed Manus soft D on Fisher back when it happened.  You know even the slightest pressure and we'd have been watching Swisher shoot FTs.
Playing the change the subject card is weak.

uh huh,          

Look at the "PER GAME" stats and you can just how productive he has been throughout the year.  But hey, I guess if a player has a sporadic 20+ point game everyonce in a blue moon I guess that makes them untouchable.  WRONG.  Look, real Spurs fans can see it was good for the team, hell even Laker fans can see it was good for the team - AND for Malik.  Lay of the Childrens Motrin and Maybe you can see that this IS a good move for BOTH.  The REALITY is you probably dont watch enough games to REALLY know what having a back up center would do for us, and what little use we had out of Malik because PER GAME he was not used very often.  HEY, lets take a look and see what Horry and Rasho do in 48, whoa - again stats that dont really reflect what they do PER GAME.  man Horry averages 14 points per 48 minutes - that must make him a worse player than Malik.  oh wait, Robert can SHOOT the three on a regular basis, so why isnt his scoring up higher this season?  maybe, just maybe reality, and i hope you can understand this, maybe it's becuase of shooters like MANU and BRENT and DEVON and BENO on our team that CAN hit on a regular basis this season, so all robert has to do most of the time on offense is PASS THE BALL OUT.  Why is Rose's avg per 48 minutes higher?  well, again, bonafide spurs fans remember the "Do-Malik" era - as in he played ball like Dominque Wilkins played ball (no not human higlight reel) but as in once you pass him the ball - YOU KNEW IT WASNT GETTING PASSED TO ANYONE ELSE - Rose rarely passes the ball out, even in bad situation, he is very determined to make the basket - and that CAN be bad for the team at times.  As for Rasho lets see, 10.9ppg, 12.7totrebs,3.0 blks....man that would be nice to see those numbers night in night out right, is that the case though. NO.  Rasho is big enough to put a body on most centers in the league and take SOME of the slack off of TIM.  again keeping Tim energized and rested IS a big key to our success.  lets look at NAZR now, 18.6ppg,13.9totrebs man this must have been a steal right???  I mean if we were trading based on 48 minutes and NOT what he can actually do PER GAME.  which in Nazr's case, is allow Rasho to rest, put a bigger body on the opposing center to wear them down and help get them into foul trouble, score, rebound and most of all allow our MOTION OFFENSE to have - you guessed it REALITY- MOTION!  Rasho slows our motion offense down greatly against teams that can run like Phoenix and the Sonics, which is more than likely our biggest threats in the playoffs until we reach the finals (The East teams are a whole other story now).  WITH Nazr we can run and setup D with a real center instead of a PF taking up the middle.  Now now we have TWO centers to take fouls instead of replacing them with TIMS BACKUPS.  I know you READ ALL THAT PRIOR TO THIS POSTING.  Shmuck.   :moon:

 :bash:  :crazy:  

[Guest_Randy]

SpursX3, Reality has a real problem with reality!

Horry is a better player than Malik -- hands down!  Malik is probably a better one-on-one post player but it's not much because Horry is a very savvy defensive player and has a real feel for where the ball is going.  You have to be VERY careful with Horry for minutes because you can wear him out -- but if you limit his minutes he is going to do ALL the little things that seldom show up on a stat sheet -- and he is going to help you win titles!  All one has to do is look at the jewelry on his hands -- and know his importance on both the Rockets and the Lakers teams in winning those titles and you know you have a quality role player in Horry who is going to do whatever you need him to do -- and isn't going to look at his stat sheet at the end of the game, season or playoffs.  Horry WILL knock down a shot when he needs to (they don't call him "Big Game Horry" for nothing) but he isn't going to get upset if he doesn't get his shots!

[WayOutWest]

SpursX3, Reality has a real problem with reality!

Horry is a better player than Malik -- hands down!  Malik is probably a better one-on-one post player but it's not much because Horry is a very savvy defensive player and has a real feel for where the ball is going.  You have to be VERY careful with Horry for minutes because you can wear him out -- but if you limit his minutes he is going to do ALL the little things that seldom show up on a stat sheet -- and he is going to help you win titles!  All one has to do is look at the jewelry on his hands -- and know his importance on both the Rockets and the Lakers teams in winning those titles and you know you have a quality role player in Horry who is going to do whatever you need him to do -- and isn't going to look at his stat sheet at the end of the game, season or playoffs.  Horry WILL knock down a shot when he needs to (they don't call him "Big Game Horry" for nothing) but he isn't going to get upset if he doesn't get his shots!

Please ignore the ramblings of this pseudo-Laker fan.

The name Horry earned as a Laker is "Big Shot Rob".  

"Big Game" is reserved for Worthy as in "Big Game James".

 :rolleyes:  

[Guest_Randy]

SpursX3, Reality has a real problem with reality!

Horry is a better player than Malik -- hands down!  Malik is probably a better one-on-one post player but it's not much because Horry is a very savvy defensive player and has a real feel for where the ball is going.  You have to be VERY careful with Horry for minutes because you can wear him out -- but if you limit his minutes he is going to do ALL the little things that seldom show up on a stat sheet -- and he is going to help you win titles!  All one has to do is look at the jewelry on his hands -- and know his importance on both the Rockets and the Lakers teams in winning those titles and you know you have a quality role player in Horry who is going to do whatever you need him to do -- and isn't going to look at his stat sheet at the end of the game, season or playoffs.  Horry WILL knock down a shot when he needs to (they don't call him "Big Game Horry" for nothing) but he isn't going to get upset if he doesn't get his shots!

Please ignore the ramblings of this pseudo-Laker fan.

The name Horry earned as a Laker is "Big Shot Rob".  

"Big Game" is reserved for Worthy as in "Big Game James".

 :rolleyes:

 :rofl:

Well, I appreciate the correction but it's nice to know I'm not the only one here who makes mistakes with names.  I used the wrong nickname with Horry -- Horry is known for big shots, not big games and you got the wrong name for the pseudo-Laker fan on this board!