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Offline Derek Bodner

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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2004, 10:54:30 AM »
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understand that X3 WAS citing non-partisan facts.

Not how he stated it it wasn't fact.

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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2004, 10:57:09 AM »
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Geez, 101, you've got to calm down just a bit. "Dbobs." What is that, like 18 posts in 15 minutes?

Take your time, breath, and understand that X3 WAS citing non-partisan facts.

Typical, Republicans are always trying to supress something. First the black vote. Now...my posts!  :D  
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2004, 10:57:24 AM »
Also, for Kerry not doing anything as a Senator:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/...409.sirota.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

Kerry did more to fight terrorism with less resources than Bush did sending troops and spending $120 billion in Iraq.  He was doing this while GW Bush's main political experience at the time was helping his daddy run the campaign.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2004, 10:59:04 AM by dbodner »

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2004, 11:07:12 AM »
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He was doing this while GW Bush's main political experience at the time was helping his daddy run the campaign.

No, that's wrong. He helped run Texas educational system into the ground.
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2004, 11:09:11 AM »
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No, that's wrong. He helped run Texas educational system into the ground.

the BCCI incident happened around 1988.  Bush's political experience at that time consisted of helping his father.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2004, 11:10:21 AM »
I also think Kerry won, on the finer points of debate. He was definitely more polished and articulate. I have no idea what kind of effect he had on more undecided voters, but he didn't say much that really moved me. He also looked much better than Bush, mainly because I think Bush expected to not be on camera, which he was. The networks were very clever in circumventing the language in the debate contract, which said the camera could not "cut away" to show either the opponent or the audience when one candidate is speaking. Instead of "cutting away," they just split the screen, and I think it caught Bush flat-footed.

The one thing I heard that bugged me is Kerry's line: "passes a global test." Positions like this always make me worry that Kerry will be nothing but a UN bitch. I'm all for being popular around the world, trust me. But when you are THE global superpower, you don't just abdicate your spot at the top of the hill so people will like you.

If Kerry finds out that Syria has WMDs that they plan to give to Tamid or Ansar Al Islam, is he going to blink when France doesn't want him to attack another country in which France has major oil interests? I'm not so sure he wouldn't.
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2004, 11:22:51 AM »
Ted what X3 stated is in fact a very slanted half fact.  In regard to a number of the systems Kerry supposedly "voted against" they were part of a defense bill in the early 90's after the Cold War ended.  What Kerry in fact, voted for was a  bill smaller than some wanted.  

Now comes the key part.  Among those loudly pushing for the smaller defense bill that Kerry voted for was then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney.  It was also during the time when Bush the Elder was using the phrase "peace dividend" to describe the view that now that we no longer had the Soviets to worry about we could slow down spending on defense.  

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2004, 11:27:51 AM »
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What Kerry in fact, voted for was a bill smaller than some wanted.

Yup.  Most of what Republicans have claimed Kerry "voted against" wasn't necessarily voting against such actions, but voting against specifics and wanting reformations of the bills.  But such is a campaign.

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2004, 12:06:19 PM »
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Most of what Republicans have claimed Kerry "voted against" wasn't necessarily voting against such actions, but voting against specifics and wanting reformations of the bills.

That sounds like a flip-flop statement. Are you for it or against it? If you voted for bills with which you ABSOLUTELY agreed, you'd NEVER vote for a bill to pass. It's called pork. Both sides do it. Doesn't excuse it, and it ISN'T an excuse for not arming our troops.

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2004, 01:18:57 PM »
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the BCCI incident happened around 1988. Bush's political experience at that time consisted of helping his father.

Wasn't talking about that. I was talking about his NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.  IMO, and in the opinion of my many teacher friends,  were teaching our children how to pass a test, and not much of anything else.
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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2004, 01:34:52 PM »
You have that precisely backward D.  Using troops as means of insuring pork barrelling is inexcusable.  It's like a mirror image of Democrats trying to pass huge, cumbersome medicare bills by claiming Republicans who vote against it are voting to kick seniors out into freezing gutters.