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http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Spurs-still-may-land-big-man/t9kKDXFp5EezhSQ-cQ9nTg.cspx
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Oh boy, another older plodding frontliner to keep Duncan down.
Pops Mensa-bootay comes in vs Dallas and does very well, including a long long overdue athletic dunk over Dork.
Popacement has benched him ever since. What gives? Too athletic and exciting for 'Cement?
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Oh boy, another older plodding frontliner to keep Duncan down.
Pops Mensa-bootay comes in vs Dallas and does very well, including a long long overdue athletic dunk over Dork.
Popacement has benched him ever since. What gives? Too athletic and exciting for 'Cement?
Older? he was born in 1981 Reality....he would bring the team average age down. lol
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Oh boy, another older plodding frontliner to keep Duncan down.
Pops Mensa-bootay comes in vs Dallas and does very well, including a long long overdue athletic dunk over Dork.
Popacement has benched him ever since. What gives? Too athletic and exciting for 'Cement?
Older? he was born in 1981 Reality....he would bring the team average age down. lol
::shaking my head::
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http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Spurs-still-may-land-big-man/t9kKDXFp5EezhSQ-cQ9nTg.cspx
Wow! You get a healthy Manu back and add 6'10 Gooden to the mix and the Spurs CLOSE the gap with the Lakers. The Lakers better make sure they keep HC advantage if the Spurs are going to beef up. LA times reported that PJ is going after Gooden as well.
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http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Spurs-still-may-land-big-man/t9kKDXFp5EezhSQ-cQ9nTg.cspx
Wow! You get a healthy Manu back and add 6'10 Gooden to the mix and the Spurs CLOSE the gap with the Lakers. The Lakers better make sure they keep HC advantage if the Spurs are going to beef up. LA times reported that PJ is going after Gooden as well.
LOL, yeah, total C-blocking PJ. :P :P
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Oh boy, another older plodding frontliner to keep Duncan down.
He's in his 20's you moron! :D
OWNED!
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Oh boy, another older plodding frontliner to keep Duncan down.
He's the same as Pao Gasol.
rrrrrrraaaaaauuuugh owned!
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So Goodens on the way to the Spurs.
Groin injury and all. Will he play the rest of this season?
What can Gooden do that Pops Mensa-Bootay can't do?
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What can Gooden to that Tim Thomas can't do?
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What can Gooden to that Tim Thomas can't do?
Smile.
:P
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^^ :D
True that might be our best "enforcer" role vs the Lakerz.
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What can Gooden to that Tim Thomas can't do?
Get into the paint and score? :D
The All-Reality Team:
Von Wafer
Kurt Thomas
Fabs Obencho
Whomever scored the most points on the Lakers in last nights game
Shaq O Neal
*In Dick Vitale Voice* YEAH BABY
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Gooden on paper looks like a good upgrade for a big on our team:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/drew_gooden/index.html
compared to kurt:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kurt_thomas/index.html
and bonner:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/matt_bonner/index.html
By the way Bonner is the second best rebounder on the team, Bonner Reality....coming in at a whopping 4.90 boards, Thomas is 4.70. Gooden is at 8.7, I think Tim will appreciate any help he can get from Drew - assuming he will pay and not sit too long. Tim is averaging 10.6, so this tells you how lttle help Tim is actually getting right now from our "bigs." I just hope this guy can play soon, any help he can offer would be welcome.
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What can Gooden to that Tim Thomas can't do?
Play for the Spurs. Tim Thomas plays for the Bulls.
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What can Gooden to that Tim Thomas can't do?
Play for the Spurs. Tim Thomas plays for the Bulls.
Even on the flub, since when is Kurt Thomas athletic and active in scoring in the paint???? I've been watching a lot of Spurs games the last few weeks (they've been getting national love btw) and I don't see this new Kurt Thomas.
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Thomas isn't athletic...he is a savvy vet who knows how to defend and work under the basket. He also has a reliable 12-15 foot jumper that is more important than having another scorer in the paint.
But then I also think Gooden is a better rebounder and low post scorer. I am not arguning that Gooden won't help but I don't see Gooden as this year's Gasol deal either.
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What can Gooden to that Tim Thomas can't do?
Get into the paint and score? :D
The All-Reality Team:
Von Wafer potential 2009 Championship
Kurt Thomas 2008 Championship sans Popped
Fabs Obencho 2007 Championship
Whomever scored the most points on the Lakers in last nights game
Shaq O Neal 2006 Championship
*In Dick Vitale Voice* YEAH BABY
Not a bad bunch of solid roleys, B-Rad. I don't mind this list at all.
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Thomas isn't athletic...he is a savvy vet who knows how to defend and work under the basket. He also has a reliable 12-15 foot jumper that is more important than having another scorer in the paint.
But then I also think Gooden is a better rebounder and low post scorer. I am not arguning that Gooden won't help but I don't see Gooden as this year's Gasol deal either.
I just wonder when -if ever, Timmy Dunks will be given a solid frontline. DRob is long gone.
Gooden might be okay. NazrRash was good for one title. Not enough. I need back to backers.
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I just wonder when -if ever, Timmy Dunks will be given a solid frontline. DRob is long gone.
Gooden might be okay. NazrRash was good for one title. Not enough. I need back to backers.
Depends on what you define as a solid frontline. If you mean an all-star big man then it ain't gonna happen. If you mean solid role players that play team defense and rebound...then they have those.
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Someone to take the pressure off Timmy Dunks by adding both O and D is what has been prayed for. Snakebitten by both Splitter and Manhinmi for this season.
If we're going to roll the dice on Bonner being hot, then gawd help us. If he does get hot all the way to a title I will buy WoW three complete dinners at the L.A. eseside restraunt of his choice.
Fabs was great in 2007, he needs to retire now or get traded for Gasol. I do not think we title with Fabs at more then 15 min per game.
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What can Gooden to that Tim Thomas can't do?
Play for the Spurs. Tim Thomas plays for the Bulls.
Is he actually PLAYING for the Bulls this time around? Or is he still in full pout mode, like last time around?
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Thomas isn't athletic...he is a savvy vet who knows how to defend and work under the basket. He also has a reliable 12-15 foot jumper that is more important than having another scorer in the paint.
But then I also think Gooden is a better rebounder and low post scorer. I am not arguning that Gooden won't help but I don't see Gooden as this year's Gasol deal either.
Who would? Gasol was a LEGITIMATE ALL-STAR. (And, just for the record, Laker fans, that's PAU Gasol. His brother Marc is no All-Star (or potential All-Star)). Gooden is a very solid young player.
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Thomas isn't athletic...he is a savvy vet who knows how to defend and work under the basket. He also has a reliable 12-15 foot jumper that is more important than having another scorer in the paint.
But then I also think Gooden is a better rebounder and low post scorer. I am not arguning that Gooden won't help but I don't see Gooden as this year's Gasol deal either.
Who would? Gasol was a LEGITIMATE ALL-STAR. (And, just for the record, Laker fans, that's PAU Gasol. His brother Marc is no All-Star (or potential All-Star)). Gooden is a very solid young player.
If Marc Gasol continues to improve his game he can easily be a 'potential' all-star. As soon as the Tim Duncan and Dirk's start to drop off here I don't see a huge amount of big men in the WC who would keep him out *IF* he continues to improve like he has since training camp.
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If Marc Gasol continues to improve his game he can easily be a 'potential' all-star. As soon as the Tim Duncan and Dirk's start to drop off here I don't see a huge amount of big men in the WC who would keep him out *IF* he continues to improve like he has since training camp.
Just to name 3 other western centers...
Yao
Bynum
Oden
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If Marc Gasol continues to improve his game he can easily be a 'potential' all-star. As soon as the Tim Duncan and Dirk's start to drop off here I don't see a huge amount of big men in the WC who would keep him out *IF* he continues to improve like he has since training camp.
Just to name 3 other western centers...
Yao
Bynum
Oden
Yao will be gone the same time Duncan is.
Bynum, sure. If he of course can stay healthy for any stretch of time during the first half of a season.
Oden, I think he will be an all-star as well but he has the injury problem too.....
You know Gasol's numbers are comparable to Bynum's and Oden's right now. Just saying.....I am by no means saying he will be better than both of them but he's not a bad player. He has shown improvement over the course of the year.
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Oh boy, another older plodding frontliner to keep Duncan down.
He's the same as Pao Gasol.
rrrrrrraaaaaauuuugh owned!
"older" Gooden is in his 20's you moron! You got OWNED big time on that one! Obviously you cannot respond. :D
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If Marc Gasol continues to improve his game he can easily be a 'potential' all-star
You know Gasol's numbers are comparable to Bynum's and Oden's right now.
What numbers would those be, and just to cut to the chase, why are those numbers the numbers that matter?
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If Marc Gasol continues to improve his game he can easily be a 'potential' all-star. As soon as the Tim Duncan and Dirk's start to drop off here I don't see a huge amount of big men in the WC who would keep him out *IF* he continues to improve like he has since training camp.
So right now Marc has the "potential" to be a "potential all-star"?
So in basically you are saying that when the Lakers traded for Pau they new they were giving up a guy who had the "potential" to have the current "potential" to be a "potential all-star"...do I have that right?
FYI kid, you either have the potential to be an all-star or you don't. You don't work to have the potential to be an all-star. Take a break and sip some Mountain Dew or something.
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"older" Gooden is in his 20's you moron! You got OWNED big time on that one! Obviously you cannot respond. :D
"Older" Gooden is injured, slow and plodding. Not the athletic F Timmy Dunks deserves.
Try rooting for a team that earns its titles.
owned.
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"older" Gooden is in his 20's you moron! You got OWNED big time on that one! Obviously you cannot respond. :D
"Older" Gooden is injured, slow and plodding. Not the athletic F Timmy Dunks deserves.
Try rooting for a team that earns its titles.
owned.
??? ??? ???
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If Marc Gasol continues to improve his game he can easily be a 'potential' all-star
You know Gasol's numbers are comparable to Bynum's and Oden's right now.
What numbers would those be, and just to cut to the chase, why are those numbers the numbers that matter?
Points, rebounds, blocks, assists, FG% are comparable between the 3. They all hover around the same numbers in each category. Just stats wise he is on par with another top 1st year center and a solid 3rd year center. Since those numbers tend to be the ones looked at by average fans and coaches who will make the selections for the all-star game I felt it was valid to bring them up. I am trying to do a better job of using both my (as WOW puts it) supreme knowledge of the game and stats when discussing bball here.
The numbers actually don't matter as much if we are talking about getting into the all-star game in a few years though. If Bynum continues to play well in Los Angeles he is going to have more NBA fan exposure than Marc Gasol will. I would say that Greg Oden, as Portland continues to be a solid team, would get more attention than Gasol as well.
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And yet in Memphis, Pau made it to the All-Star game, while players like Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, and Dirk Nowitzki were playing in the conference. That's 3 MVPs there, folks, and we're talking that Marc Gasol *MIGHT* be able to compete *IF* he keeps improving.
<sarcasm>
I'd *SO* much rather have Marc Gasol. He's got so much more room to improve than Pau does. If he does well, he might, against inferior competition, accomplish something his brother did. Don't know why Spain plays Pau in front of him.
</sarcasm>
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And yet in Memphis, Pau made it to the All-Star game, while players like Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, and Dirk Nowitzki were playing in the conference. That's 3 MVPs there, folks, and we're talking that Marc Gasol *MIGHT* be able to compete *IF* he keeps improving.
<sarcasm>
I'd *SO* much rather have Marc Gasol. He's got so much more room to improve than Pau does. If he does well, he might, against inferior competition, accomplish something his brother did. Don't know why Spain plays Pau in front of him.
</sarcasm>
You said he will never be an all star, we will have to wait to see. You can't write him off right away based on 40 games into his pro career. It took Pau Gasol 4 years to get selected on the all-star team as a reserve for similar reasons.
No one is directly comparing Pau and Marc but you btw. I simply said he wasn't as bad of a player as people were making it seem based on the trade being so one sided (Which is exactly what you are doing even if it is blatant sarcasm.)
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The trade was ENTIRELY one-sided. LA robbed Memphis blind.
Pau Gasol is in the top 5 of win shares this year. He's a proven All-Star...and he went back to the All-Star game again this year. The big "softie" is number 5 in the league in Offensive Rebounding - which just happens to tie him with that oft-noted wimp, Paul Millsap. His offensive rating is tops in the league, per basketball-reference.com.
For this, Memphis got Kwame Brown's expiring contract, Javaris Crittendon, and Marc Gasol. Pau has outscored ALL THREE 1104 - 930. But if you want the really damning number, the 3 teams holding those players currently COMBINED have 60 victories - Gasol's team has 49. He's one freaking assist from having as many as ALL THREE of the other guys put together - AND ONE OF THEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A POINT GUARD! 228 Free throws made by the Marc+Crittendon+Brown combo; 263 made by Pau by himself. He's even hit more 3 pointers - 1 - than the other 3 PUT TOGETHER...when one of them is supposed to be at least a DECENT shooter.
HIGHWAY ROBBERY.
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The trade was ENTIRELY one-sided. LA robbed Memphis blind.
Pau Gasol is in the top 5 of win shares this year. He's a proven All-Star...and he went back to the All-Star game again this year. The big "softie" is number 5 in the league in Offensive Rebounding - which just happens to tie him with that oft-noted wimp, Paul Millsap. His offensive rating is tops in the league, per basketball-reference.com.
For this, Memphis got Kwame Brown's expiring contract, Javaris Crittendon, and Marc Gasol. Pau has outscored ALL THREE 1104 - 930. But if you want the really damning number, the 3 teams holding those players currently COMBINED have 60 victories - Gasol's team has 49. He's one freaking assist from having as many as ALL THREE of the other guys put together - AND ONE OF THEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A POINT GUARD! 228 Free throws made by the Marc+Crittendon+Brown combo; 263 made by Pau by himself. He's even hit more 3 pointers - 1 - than the other 3 PUT TOGETHER...when one of them is supposed to be at least a DECENT shooter.
HIGHWAY ROBBERY.
That's great Joe. We all know that. In fact we all were in agreement about this LAST YEAR.
But that is not what the conversation was about. The conversation was about Marc Gasol being a decent player and maybe being apart of the new class of good centers in the Western Conference with the ability to MAYBE make the all-star team (as a reserve).
People say that Oden and Bynum can make the all-star team and I think it's not a stretch to say Marc Gasol maybe able to as well. Like I said we will have to wait and see. To write him off because the trade was one-sided is not fair. I understand as a fan of a team in the WC the trade makes you upset but that's a different thread. One that was beaten to death LAST YEAR.
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The trade was ENTIRELY one-sided. LA robbed Memphis blind.
Pau Gasol is in the top 5 of win shares this year. He's a proven All-Star...and he went back to the All-Star game again this year. The big "softie" is number 5 in the league in Offensive Rebounding - which just happens to tie him with that oft-noted wimp, Paul Millsap. His offensive rating is tops in the league, per basketball-reference.com.
For this, Memphis got Kwame Brown's expiring contract, Javaris Crittendon, and Marc Gasol. Pau has outscored ALL THREE 1104 - 930. But if you want the really damning number, the 3 teams holding those players currently COMBINED have 60 victories - Gasol's team has 49. He's one freaking assist from having as many as ALL THREE of the other guys put together - AND ONE OF THEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A POINT GUARD! 228 Free throws made by the Marc+Crittendon+Brown combo; 263 made by Pau by himself. He's even hit more 3 pointers - 1 - than the other 3 PUT TOGETHER...when one of them is supposed to be at least a DECENT shooter.
HIGHWAY ROBBERY.
How is it robbery if Memphis agreed to it to begin with? Didn't the owner come back later and say it was a big mistake on his part to trade gasol? I don't see how this is robbery for one team's own stupidity.
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How is it robbery if Memphis agreed to it to begin with? Didn't the owner come back later and say it was a big mistake on his part to trade gasol? I don't see how this is robbery for one team's own stupidity.
You're attempting to bust Joe over word schematics?
Robbery, rip off, take your pic.
"Collusion" if you want to get into linguistics legalize.
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How is it robbery if Memphis agreed to it to begin with? Didn't the owner come back later and say it was a big mistake on his part to trade gasol? I don't see how this is robbery for one team's own stupidity.
You're attempting to bust Joe over word schematics?
Robbery, rip off, take your pic.
"Collusion" if you want to get into linguistics legalize.
I don't disagree with his position the brothers Gasol. I just saw the statement and had this ??? about it. Great move by LA in the getting Gasol.