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PhillyArena Community => Philadelphia 76ers => Topic started by: TheGuiltyParty on July 25, 2008, 12:47:05 PM
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Real Quick: Which pair of RFAs would you rather have??
For me, it's Iguodala and Williams by a slight margin and that's really interesting given that last year, this would have been a laughable question. I don't know what Deng will develop into in this league. Is he Jamal Mashburn at his best? Is he capable of developing into a #1 scoring option on a contending team? I don't see that anymore.
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Gordon Deng
Not because of Iguodala per se but because of Lou WIlliams, I think Gordon is a VAST improvement over lou williams and that deng is as good if not a bit better than iguodala
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I would throw Childress/Smith in the mix- but we all know how well that turned out.
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I agree that I would want Gordon over Williams but given Willams' rise this season and the fact that he's substantially younger than everyone else, I don't know that I would rather take the 2 middle players of this group.
I got this off of the Bulls' forum...
How is Louis Williams worth more than Gordon???
I don't see that.
Williams is 3 1/2 years younger.
Williams had a higher PER last year.
Williams is about the same size, yet he can play PG in addition to scoring. (The Sixers are making him a PG, but he was a scorer in HS)
Williams already gets to the line more often, gets more assists, more steals, has a better a/to ratio.
Ben is currently the better 3-point shooter, but Williams has improved drastically each season (.222, .324, .359).
TS%- Ben .558, Williams .523
Ben has played 3 1/2 times more NBA minutes, Williams certainly has a lot more upside.
I'm not sure that I agree that Williams is worth more than Gordon, just saying that it certainly is an easy case to make if you want.
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See...there's the flaw in his assumption, he's assuming that lou williams CAN play PG...the sixers hope he can play pg and plan to move him there, but i'm not sold on him as a point guard just yet.
COmparing Louis Williams numbers this past season to any previous season when he barely got any minutes also is a flawed argument in my point...he's really only had one season of substantiaol minutes.
Ben has played 3 1/2 times more NBA minutes, Williams certainly has a lot more upside.
I don't buy this anyone...i think he's enamored of williams becuase he's mroe of an unknown quantity and the grass is always greener syndrome, i know i don't agree with all his points of making the case....i think only about half are valid
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The only things I agree with are the facts and not the parts about what Williams *might* do (might play PG, might have more upside). Williams did have the higher PER, did get to the line more, did average more assists, and did have a better assist to turnover ratio. Is he better than Gordon right now? Absolutely not but I do believe the gap is closing between the two while the gap between Iguodala and Deng widened last season.
I guess the question is do you want the best and worst player of this foursome or the the two middle guys. I think I'd take Dre and Lou right now but again... it's really close.
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Lou can potential be your bench scorer and your back-up PG. Gordon does not play back-up pg (but maybe he can?) but is a much better scorer at this point.
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What about Deng? What do you guys make of him at this point in his career? We've discussed Iguodala, Williams, and Gordon on this board many times. What do you think Deng will become in this league? Is he as good as Iguodala??
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I think Deng has the potential to be better than Iguodala, but his injuries last year are more worrisome, assuming 100% healthy I'd give a slight edge long term to Luol Deng, and I see a bigger edge to gordon, hence why i picked deng gordon, i personally think all things being equal deng/gordon are better.
Course, for the sixers, deng gordon doesn't work as well cause of thaddeus young...
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Right now I would go with Iggy and Williams if I was building a team simply because they are both more versatile than their counterparts and would more flexible to build around, plus Deng's injuries worry me as well. I think the question will be easier to ask after the upcoming year as Lou reaches more of his potential and we get to check out Deng's back.
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I think the question will be easier to ask after the upcoming year as Lou reaches more of his potential and we get to check out Deng's back.
Of course it'll be easier to ask then which is why I'm asking it now. :-)
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I think the question will be easier to ask after the upcoming year as Lou reaches more of his potential and we get to check out Deng's back.
Of course it'll be easier to ask then which is why I'm asking it now. :-)
But next year would we be comparing Deng to Iggy or to Thad? :)
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I'm not even bringing Thad into the equation because I believe he'll be better than all 4 of the players mentioned in the subject. Man, the Sixers really do have a STRONG future. It's unbelievable that we're at this point given how bleak things looked 18 months ago.
And if Speights actually meets his potential... well, let's just say that we can forget about the Celtics being our biggest rival and that we will get very acquainted with the Blazers in the Finals over the next 15 years.
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Iguodala/Williams
I'd take Iguodala alone over Deng and Gordon.
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Ditto
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Chicago didn't even make the Playoffs with Gordon and Deng! It's absurd to compare them with players who are integral parts of a team that actually made the playoffs.
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Chicago didn't even make the Playoffs with Gordon and Deng! It's absurd to compare them with players who are integral parts of a team that actually made the playoffs.
Except well, basketball is more than just one season, and they did make the playoffs, and other players on the tema had horrible seasons last year and Deng had injury issues.
There's a lot of absuridities in this thread in my opinion, but focusing on one season and only one season, and only focusing on whether they made the playoffs, well that's probably second to saying 'andre iguodala isn't worth much because of six games against the pistons'.
The bobcats didn't make the playoffs last year, they were terrible, so i'm assuming you think okafor wouldn't be an improvement over sam?
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Chicago didn't even make the Playoffs with Gordon and Deng! It's absurd to compare them with players who are integral parts of a team that actually made the playoffs.
Deng and Gordon have made the playoffs 3 of the 4 years they've been in the league.
Iguodala has made the playoffs 2 out of the 4 years he's been in the league.
Williams has made the playoffs 1 out of the 3 years he's been in the league.
Brand has made the playoffs 1 out of the 9 years he's been in the league.
When Deng and Gordon made the playoffs those 3 years, they actually did so without losing records.
So last year, when Deng and Gordon won 49 games and made the playoffs, and Iguodala and Williams won 35 games and didn't make the playoffs, Deng and Gordon were winners, and Iguodala and Williams losers? And that's all flip-flopped 180 degrees in one year?
Okay.
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And if Speights actually meets his potential... well, let's just say that we can forget about the Celtics being our biggest rival and that we will get very acquainted with the Blazers in the Finals over the next 15 years.
We don't have a franchise player for the next 15 years. I think Thad can be better than Andre, but I don't think that makes him a #1 player. Without a guy like Brand, we're a middle of the road team.
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People talk about the Pistons as having a collection of second level stars.
I think in 2 years Brand, Iguodala, Thad and Lou can all be second level stars. Maybe Miller too if he has not lost a step.
Winning without a superstar is hard, but then again how often can you find a Duncan, Shaq or MJ.
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Winning without a superstar is hard, but then again how often can you find a Duncan, Shaq or MJ.
Unfortunatly, that's the harsh reality of the NBA.
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Winning without a superstar is hard, but then again how often can you find a Duncan, Shaq or MJ.
Unfortunatly, that's the harsh reality of the NBA.
Absent getting very lucky in the draft or being a big market that attracts big name FA's, like hypothetically LeBron going to Nj/NY/Brooklyn, the next best way to get a superstar is too build a team full of young, affordable talent and move decisively when a superstar becomes available. Somebody take John Paxson back in time a few years and explain this to him and Garnett or Amare are on the Bulls.
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Was there ever an Amare to the Bulls deal on the table?
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Was there ever an Amare to the Bulls deal on the table?
There were rumors based in large part on the suns owner wanting to get less expensive players in and the constant bickering between Marion and Stoudemire, who both sound like major PITA's, whatever truth there were to the rumors is unknown. Pretty much all of the deals proposed in the rumors pages for the Bulls to pick up a franchise player fell apart wehnever someone asked for Luol Deng. Now they can't get him signed and could potentially lose him for nothing next year. Oh irony (and bad management), thy name is John Paxson.
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Not to mention, Kobe!
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Not to mention, Kobe!
You are correct sir. I knew there was another one, but I was too lazy to try and look it up.