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Jazz rumored to have offered Boozer 68 mil
« on: July 08, 2004, 03:58:52 PM »
Wow. I would LOVE to have a banger like Carlos Boozer next to AK47. This raises a lot of questions though.

Boozer stands to make around 20-30 million more with the Jazz than with the Cavs. I wonder if that's enough for him to reneg on whatever agreement he has with Cleveland.
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2004, 04:59:49 PM »
Now the report says the Jazz and Boozer have agreed on terms.

I have mixed feelings. I'm not too happy about the Jazz being the vehicle for Boozer screwing the Cavs, but I am very happy to have him on the Jazz (if Cleveland doesn't find a way to match).


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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2004, 06:08:07 PM »
wow, that was one of the biggest d*ck moves in a long time.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2004, 06:16:19 PM »
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wow, that was one of the biggest d*ck moves in a long time.
Hay you know you or I would make that same decision in a heartbeat.  Not only is he making more money he is going to a better team.

Boozer and AK in the middle is a nice combo.  Id like to see how penetrating guards are going to get to the hoop when the Jazz come to town.  They have one of two options 1) get a large body to dish out pain to you or 2) get swatted.  Either way it looks like only the very best finishers are going to be able to do damage in the paint.  Also, Boozer is not slow for a guy his size.  Looks like the transition defense is going to improve too.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2004, 07:07:59 PM »
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wow, that was one of the biggest d*ck moves in a long time.
It is every man for himself I guess.  I can't say that I blame him, but it is unfortunate for the Cavs.  I think they tried to operate in good faith and offer him more, but the reality is that Boozer is worth more than the exception and he got it.

This changes things a whole bunch for the Jazz.  Matt Harpring has to be on the block at this point, it will be interesting to see what they can get for him.  The Jazz has done a really nice job of rebuilding.  I don't know about Okur.  There seems to be a lot of interest in him, but I don't really see it.  He really hasn't been much of a contributor so far.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2004, 08:59:09 AM »
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Hay you know you or I would make that same decision in a heartbeat.

Hey, I never said I was above that kind of move ;)

But if you don't intend of keeping your word, don't give it out.  no matter what the temptations.

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2004, 10:45:35 AM »
It is extremely retarded to come to any kind of verbal agreement when free agency options are still available that the player and teams can persue. The Cavaliers wanted to keep Boozer and tried to get him to commit to them without exploring those options, but why would Carlos not check out the market? He probably was a bit surprised an offer such as the Jazz' was out there for him this year.  

I doubt he thought there might be when he shook hands with the Cavs, but the Cavs must have realyzed it.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2004, 12:17:17 PM »
I think the Cavs were trying to have their cake and eat it too. Sure they wanted Carlos long term, but they wanted him at the money they could pay him this year rather than what they would have to pay him next year, when he would be unrestricted and the Cavs would have his Bird rights.

Carlos would've been getting close to max money next year, and rather than have to pay him that, the Cavs tried to pull a fast one and lock him up for six years at the Mid-level exception. I just can't believe they'd be dumb enough to think he wouldn't take nearly double what they were offering.

The Cavs weren't being naive. They basically tried to pull a Glen Taylor without the napkin so they could lock in an Olympian and future all-star at half his fair market value. And for all of those Cleveland fans who are going to hate Carlos, who cares? He is now the ultimate celebrity for an entire state. He'll do just fine.

The Jazz sure come out of this smelling rosy though. I have to say, I am totally stoked for next year. If I had the money, I'd buy season tickets right now. With our lineup, our coach, and the youth and athleticism of this team, this franchise looks better than it has for years.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2004, 12:20:37 PM »
Note about Okur.

He averaged 10 ppg in 22 minutes last season. That's not very bad. And he's the perfect kind of center for the Jazz offense. He will get all kinds of open fifteen footers, and he's got better moves in the post than Osternuts or Professor Collins.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2004, 07:22:21 PM »
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wow, that was one of the biggest d*ck moves in a long time.
Actually I hadn't got the whole story on this deal when I posted earlier.  I gotta agree with Derek on this one, that is really a slimey thing to do.  Get them to let you out of your deal so you can sign a better deal, with the agreement being that you will sign with Cleveland as already agreed, and then you backout.  I guess the agent has been forced to resign from SFX over the entire affair.  Totally cheesey.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2004, 11:43:56 AM »
I think what actually happened is that SFX removed itself and any of its agents from the Boozer situation. Pelinka is still working for SFX, but SFX is no longer working for Boozer.

On the way to work, I heard them quoting from Boozer. It sounds like he's finally coming out with his side of the story. Has anyone seen it online?
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2004, 12:01:23 PM »
Boozer's side

Boozer fires back
Forward to sign with Utah Wednesday
Tuesday, July 13, 2004
Branson Wright
Plain Dealer Reporter
Carlos Boozer has had enough of the character assassination that has pounded him since last week's announcement that the Utah Jazz have offered him $68 million over six years.

Boozer has been accused of lying and backstabbing the team and its fans because he allegedly told the Cavaliers he would remain in Cleveland. As a result, the organization allowed him to become a free agent, with the intent to sign him to the mid-level exemption of $42 million over six years.

According to sources within the Cavs' organization, Boozer told team officials that if they didn't pick up his option, he would sign with them.
   
Boozer, speaking exclusively to The Plain Dealer by telephone Monday, said that is not true and he wants to set the record straight.

"I didn't make a prior agreement. And if I did, I would've stayed here," Boozer said. "For them [Cavaliers] taking shots at my character is incredibly wrong, and I don't understand that. I thought I had a great relationship with them. Maybe they're trying to save face or trying to make up stuff and kill my character. And if that's the road they want to take, that's OK."

Everything was apparently fine when Cavs management met with Boozer, his wife CeCe and agent Rob Pelinka on June 30. These were friendlier times, when the two sides were prepared to talk about Boozer's future with the organization. The only thing that is clear about this meeting is that the Cavs decided not to pick up the option on the last year of Boozer's contract, which was worth about $700,000. This is where things get cloudy.

"I assumed they were going to pick up my option and work something out for the long term, but they went another route," Boozer said. "I was shocked that they didn't pick up my option. I left the meeting excited because this meant that I was going to get a long-term contract."

Boozer was surprised the Cavs didn't pick up his option because he said management gave him every indication in earlier informal conversations that they would.

So on June 30, according to Boozer, owner Gordon Gund and General Manager Jim Paxson asked him what was important to him. Boozer said that financial security and remaining in Cleveland were important.

"But during that meeting, it seemed like they were going down the road of wanting a commitment," Boozer said. "My agent pulled out the collective bargaining agreement, and he said that the rules don't allow a verbal or written agreement and everyone at the table understood that. During the course of that meeting, it was brought to my attention that [management] weren't going to pick up the option. They made that [decision] on their own."

Boozer said he had no idea why they Cavs didn't pick up the option.

"Maybe with me telling them that I wanted to be in Cleveland and wanting to have security could've made them believe I was going to sign with them, but that wasn't an agreement," Boozer said. "I never gave them my word, never signed a document and I never shook hands with the idea that I was going to sign."

The two parties met again on July 1. Boozer said this is when Paxson told him what the midlevel exemption was worth. During the Fourth of July weekend, Boozer met with Cavs management and they continued to discuss his future, and they talked about his role with the team. This was the turning point during the negotiations.

"During those conversations, I asked those guys about my role on the team, and I expressed to them the direction I wanted to go individually and with the team," Boozer said. "I wanted the chance to become an All-Star and some [in the meeting] didn't think I could accomplish that here. One primary person didn't believe I could."

That primary person, according to an unnamed source in a published report, is coach Paul Silas. From there, Boozer said he told the organization that he would explore his options.

"I called Paxson and Gordon and told them what was out there and the situation that was presented to me in Utah," Boozer said. "They told me 'You can't do this, you gave me your word.' I told them that I didn't give them my word. The only organization I gave my word to was Utah. I called [Utah GM] Kevin O'Connor and I told him that I accepted their offer and that's the only word I gave during this process. I plan to sign the offer sheet tomorrow."

Gund and Paxson were not available for comment. Silas was not available. He's in Oakland because of his mother's recent death.

The Cavs, apparently, have not given up. According to league sources, the team offered Boozer on Monday a one-year deal for $5 million. If Boozer accepts the offer, he would become a restricted free agent next season. Boozer doesn't believe the Cavs' sincerity.

"Why would they try to sign me?" Boozer said. "They've tried to demoralize me as a human being. They tried to depict me as a kind of guy that bamboozled people. They've lied and painted a picture that we had an illegal deal. They tried to say we had an oral agreement before July 1, and that didn't happen."

There also are rumors that Boozer wanted out of Cleveland because of some animosity toward LeBron James, and that he wanted to become the top gun.

"I'm not saying I want to be the man," Boozer said. "I'm going to Utah where Andrei Kirilenko is already an established All-Star in this league, and they have stud players like Matt Harpring and Mehmet Okur. I feel mature enough, educated about the game enough and good enough to take on more responsibility. . . . Obviously, there's no question that the man on the team is LeBron, and he's well-deserving of it. There's no way I would try to overshadow him."

 
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2004, 12:25:56 PM »
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Everything was apparently fine when Cavs management met with Boozer, his wife CeCe and agent Rob Pelinka on June 30. These were friendlier times, when the two sides were prepared to talk about Boozer's future with the organization. The only thing that is clear about this meeting is that the Cavs decided not to pick up the option on the last year of Boozer's contract, which was worth about $700,000. This is where things get cloudy.
Wasn't the whole point that Boozer in 2003-4 played well beyond the $700,000 a year that 2004-2005 would also be, yet the Cavs were bound contracturally to pay Boozer that.  Cavs could not tear up the contract.

Unless of course, he became a FA, in which case they would offer him the MLE for a year.  At that point, withing the rules the Cavs could offer a long term contract.
Hence, the whole idea of the Cavs allowing him to opt out with the intent he resign.

Sounds like Boozer and Kobmes agent were skanky but ill wait for more input from y'all.

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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2004, 01:18:50 PM »
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Sounds like Boozer and Kobmes agent were skanky but ill wait for more input from y'all.
Agreed Reality. This agent seems pretty slimy to me. Especially now that he has resigned and SFX (the agency that employs Pelinka) employees are telling radio hosts in Utah that supposedly SFX told Boozer that he HAD to accept Cleveland's 1 year 5 mil offer or SFX would not longer represent him. All of this after Pelinka was right in the middle of this deal being made. Why didn't Pelinka quit the minute Boozer brought up this "backstab" idea? Why didn't he quit the minute Boozer decided to accept the Jazz offer? He waits a week while his name gets dragged through the mud, and then decides to quit? This stinks to me.
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