Post devoted to the Sheed bashing

[Derek Bodner]

Here's to all the posts made at the trade deadline saying sheed, the cancer, would be the downfall of the pistons.

Here's one such post (poster identify concealed):

There are plenty of players in the NBA who are talented but problematic to deal with and create problems for their teams because of it, with Portland seeming to collect most of them. Rasheed by far outshines them all, now that Vin Baker lost his sobriety and talent.

With Wallace, any team that takes him on immediately has to start up the spindoctoring machine to explain itself, plan for trouble, be prepared with all the politically correct responses once it goes bad, then finally start updating their resumes when it finally implodes.

People really don't change their stripes once they get comfortable in them, just the location where he is playing. Wallace's true nature will surface eventually regardless of who runs the team he infects.

I always having been a sheed fan who thought he got a bad rap, and most of his problems were simply not being able to control his anger and letting his emotions (of wanting to win, which is very important to me) get out of control.  

[spursfan101]

Seriously, who would have known he would be able to turn it around like that. Maybe he wasn't the problem. Maybe the Jailblazers culture were??

[SPURSX3]

Seriously, who would have known he would be able to turn it around like that. Maybe he wasn't the problem. Maybe the Jailblazers culture were??

oh come on, you know he is at home smoking a big fat blunt!  way to go sheed!  hey i also remember saying i wouldnt mind seeing sheed on our team!   :cheers:  

[gaither]

I was pleasantly surprised out how much Rasheed Wallace reformed his out-of-control ways after joining the Pistons. Sometimes a change in environment can make a huge difference. I think he has responded to the more disciplined approach by the management and coaching staff of the Pistons. I only hope this is not a temporary manifestation of a more controlled RWallace brought on by impending contract negotiations. I've seen scenarios like that play out too many times in the NBA, and I fear I've become a cynic.  :unsure:  

[spursfan101]

True. Just because he has a rink dosen't mean that he's no longer a punk with an anger management problem. From what I saw (haven't been watching Detroit b-ball all year), he seems to have kept it in check. :up:  

[westkoast]

I heard Bonzi Wells use to beat him up and force him to hit the blunt

[SPURSX3]

I heard Bonzi Wells use to beat him up and force him to hit the blunt

that was ONLY during the craps game right after practice...that was ONE time......geeeeeeeeeeez

[Derek Bodner]

I think portland had a LOT more problems than sheed.  damon, patterson, bonzi and randolph, IMO, were probably worse people.  just not as visible.

sheed became the poster child because what he did was visible for the cameras, but i don't think he was the heart of the problem.

and yeah, he probably is at home smoking a blunt.  But so do probably about 60% of all nba players, it's just the stupid ones that get caught.  that alone doesn't make you a malcontent cancer.  in fact, it probably makes you easier to get along with

[SPURSX3]

I think portland had a LOT more problems than sheed.  damon, patterson, bonzi and randolph, IMO, were probably worse people.  just not as visible.

sheed became the poster child because what he did was visible for the cameras, but i don't think he was the heart of the problem.

and yeah, he probably is at home smoking a blunt.  But so do probably about 60% of all nba players, it's just the stupid ones that get caught.  that alone doesn't make you a malcontent cancer.  in fact, it probably makes you easier to get along with

I'll smoke to THAT!! :lol2:  

[ziggy]

Here's to all the posts made at the trade deadline saying sheed, the cancer, would be the downfall of the pistons.

Here's one such post (poster identify concealed):

There are plenty of players in the NBA who are talented but problematic to deal with and create problems for their teams because of it, with Portland seeming to collect most of them. Rasheed by far outshines them all, now that Vin Baker lost his sobriety and talent.

With Wallace, any team that takes him on immediately has to start up the spindoctoring machine to explain itself, plan for trouble, be prepared with all the politically correct responses once it goes bad, then finally start updating their resumes when it finally implodes.

People really don't change their stripes once they get comfortable in them, just the location where he is playing. Wallace's true nature will surface eventually regardless of who runs the team he infects.

I always having been a sheed fan who thought he got a bad rap, and most of his problems were simply not being able to control his anger and letting his emotions (of wanting to win, which is very important to me) get out of control.

Now I was a Rasheed fan when he was in Portland.  I could see his positives, and the good things he brought.  I could how hard he worked the last couple of years at getting his technicals under control.  I could see how much of a team player he was, and how badly he wanted to win.  I am really happy he got his ring.

All that being said, lets get real for a minute.  Sheeds problems were NOT caused by the Jailblazers, he caused them himself.  He was the one who got 41 techs.  Maybe some were bogus, maybe even a lot, even still that leaves him with at least 20 plus he brought on by his actions alone, giving him the benefit of the doubt on a huge amount, a benefit he doesn't deserve.  He was the one who threw a towel at a teammate.  He was the one who threw a towel at an official.  He was the one who got suspended for 7 games for "threatening" an official after the game.  He was the one who got busted for smoking pot.  He was the one who went off on a tirade about how the whities are exploiting the "niggers", his word not mine.  He was the one who missed a bunch of easy 4th qtr. shots in 2000 WCF game 7, and 2 crucial FTs.  He is a human and he has made his share of mistakes.  I am happy for him, but HE AIN'T NO SAINT.  He is playing for a new contract, so lets keep every thing in perspective.

[SPURSX3]

Here's to all the posts made at the trade deadline saying sheed, the cancer, would be the downfall of the pistons.

Here's one such post (poster identify concealed):

There are plenty of players in the NBA who are talented but problematic to deal with and create problems for their teams because of it, with Portland seeming to collect most of them. Rasheed by far outshines them all, now that Vin Baker lost his sobriety and talent.

With Wallace, any team that takes him on immediately has to start up the spindoctoring machine to explain itself, plan for trouble, be prepared with all the politically correct responses once it goes bad, then finally start updating their resumes when it finally implodes.

People really don't change their stripes once they get comfortable in them, just the location where he is playing. Wallace's true nature will surface eventually regardless of who runs the team he infects.

I always having been a sheed fan who thought he got a bad rap, and most of his problems were simply not being able to control his anger and letting his emotions (of wanting to win, which is very important to me) get out of control.

Now I was a Rasheed fan when he was in Portland.  I could see his positives, and the good things he brought.  I could how hard he worked the last couple of years at getting his technicals under control.  I could see how much of a team player he was, and how badly he wanted to win.  I am really happy he got his ring.

All that being said, lets get real for a minute.  Sheeds problems were NOT caused by the Jailblazers, he caused them himself.  He was the one who got 41 techs.  Maybe some were bogus, maybe even a lot, even still that leaves him with at least 20 plus he brought on by his actions alone, giving him the benefit of the doubt on a huge amount, a benefit he doesn't deserve.  He was the one who threw a towel at a teammate.  He was the one who threw a towel at an official.  He was the one who got suspended for 7 games for "threatening" an official after the game.  He was the one who got busted for smoking pot.  He was the one who went off on a tirade about how the whities are exploiting the "niggers", his word not mine.  He was the one who missed a bunch of easy 4th qtr. shots in 2000 WCF game 7, and 2 crucial FTs.  He is a human and he has made his share of mistakes.  I am happy for him, but HE AIN'T NO SAINT.  He is playing for a new contract, so lets keep every thing in perspective.

Zig, all that matter to me is that Sheed got the ring and malone and payton DIDNT!!!  i dont care what he has done, i would rather him get a ring over payton and malone ANY day!!   B)  

[Derek Bodner]

sheed definitely did get himself into a lot of his problems, no doubt.  

as I said, he couldn't control his anger.  I'm not disputing that.  and he also has a little bit of the charles barkley syndrome (saying/doing the stupidest things at the stupidest times).  But what I'm saying is, much like charles, I don't think he was the bad person he was portrayed as.

For example, Ruben Patterson beats his wife/girlfriend.  But because he's not a superstar and not in the spotlight, it's rarely talked about.  Someone, "throwing a towel" becomes a bigger issue than assault.

I think sheed's finally gotten his anger under control.  I think Brown may be the best thing to happen to his career.  But I don't, nor ever did, think he was a bad person.

[Lurker]

sheed definitely did get himself into a lot of his problems, no doubt.  

as I said, he couldn't control his anger.  I'm not disputing that.  and he also has a little bit of the charles barkley syndrome (saying/doing the stupidest things at the stupidest times).  But what I'm saying is, much like charles, I don't think he was the bad person he was portrayed as.

For example, Ruben Patterson beats his wife/girlfriend.  But because he's not a superstar and not in the spotlight, it's rarely talked about.  Someone, "throwing a towel" becomes a bigger issue than assault.

I think sheed's finally gotten his anger under control.  I think Brown may be the best thing to happen to his career.  But I don't, nor ever did, think he was a bad person.

I think the key here more than the new contract he is playing for is the "spotlight".  In Portland he was annoited the "man".  And this didn't sit well with him.  Sheed is a solid player but IMO being just a cog in the machine in Detroit helped him as much as anything.   He worked hard the past couple seasons to bring his anger under control.  And several of his more recent problems...although self inflicted....were as much a result of his reputation and being annointed the team leader in Portland as it was the severity of those actions.
 

[Reality]

I always having been a sheed fan who thought he got a bad rap, and most of his problems were simply not being able to control his anger and letting his emotions (of wanting to win, which is very important to me) get out of control.

Game 4, consensus that if the Lakers escaped and pulled to 2-2 it would have changed a lot, featured 3 seperate 4th qtr Sheed shots, all requiring calmness.

Well i taped over it    so my order might be wrong but the 1st was Sheed got the ball at the top of the key.  The Lakers had left him open in such a way that he could drive it toward the hoop, but not all the way.  He took a few steps forward and did a soft running jumper at just inside the foul line.  Not a hard shot, but one requiring touch.

2nd was those two big FTs.  

3rd was that highlight turnaround arching jumper.

I believe two of the three times the Lakers had closed from 10 to 6 behind.  While not make or break shots they were big momentum shots.  Point being they took calm to sink.

 

[ziggy]

sheed definitely did get himself into a lot of his problems, no doubt.  

as I said, he couldn't control his anger.  I'm not disputing that.  and he also has a little bit of the charles barkley syndrome (saying/doing the stupidest things at the stupidest times).  But what I'm saying is, much like charles, I don't think he was the bad person he was portrayed as.

For example, Ruben Patterson beats his wife/girlfriend.  But because he's not a superstar and not in the spotlight, it's rarely talked about.  Someone, "throwing a towel" becomes a bigger issue than assault.

I think sheed's finally gotten his anger under control.  I think Brown may be the best thing to happen to his career.  But I don't, nor ever did, think he was a bad person.

Derek,
Is Sheed the same degree of jerk that Ruben Patterson is?  Nope.
Did some of Sheed's actions get blown out of proportion?  Yep.
Is he a misunderstood soul? Nope
Has he been unfairly portrayed in the media? In some cases yes (Craig Sager, Kevin Harlen),  the rest of it Nope.

Did Sheed really step it up in the playoffs?  Nope
He shot less than 42% from the field, and less than 25% from 3's, scored 13 points per game, and had 11 points 1 rebound, and 21 minutes played in game 5 vs the Lakers.

Lets not revise history now.  Rasheed is not as bad as he has been portrayed by some, but he screwed up a lot, and he was not the sole reason the Pistons won.