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Offline Reality

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« on: May 13, 2004, 10:28:04 AM »
The human pyramid ones.

Last night a newcast says it was CBS.

True?  And if so how did they get ahold of the photos?

And if so why is not CBS getting reemed.

Sorry i dont want to go back and read all 50 posts and besides what is the latest  accurate (allegedly) info?
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2004, 10:29:38 AM »
Reamed or praise. Really see both sides, don't want to advance terrorism, which these pictures are doing exactly that. But do the American people have the right to keep our goverment accountable to illegal activity? :crazy:  
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2004, 10:43:01 AM »
Reamed for what?  

As a matter of fact both Rumsfeld and the deplorable congressman James Imhofe of Oklahoma have played "shoot the messenger."  

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2004, 10:49:34 AM »
This country should NOT have the authority to sensor the media.

However, the media should take responsibility for the consequences of its reporting.

Showing these prison beatings was obviously going to provoke retaliation. When you stumble onto a story like this, that has to be taken into consideration. If they couldn't see that Muslim's would retaliate, then they need their heads examined and a little bit of common sense implanted. If they did see retaliation, and simply didn't care, then they are immoral people only concerned about the buck. They should head on up here to west chester, and apologize directly to his family, because if it weren't for them their son would likely still be alive.

With the ability to influence the masses some level of accountability needs to be taken. When reporting something is obviously going to cost the lives of innocent men (and anyone with half a brain would have realized reporting this would have), I think it's their duty not to put our boys in jeopardy. Not to withdraw anything out of political concern, but out of life concerns.

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On a related note to piss poor media:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=38464

Boston Globe publishes
bogus GI rape pictures
Taken from pornographic website
as first reported by WorldNetDaily

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Posted: May 12, 2004
12:15 p.m. Eastern


By Sherrie Gossett
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Boston residents got more than they bargained for this morning when their copy of the Globe came complete with graphic photographic images depicting U.S. troops gang-raping Iraqi women.

Problem is the photos are fake. They were taken from pornographic websites and disseminated by anti-American propagandists, as first reported by WND a week ago.


WND contacted the Globe to question staff about the photos.

Asked whether the photos were the same as the porn photos WND already investigated, reporter Donovan Slack said, "I have no idea. I'm surprised the editor even decided we should write about it."

She added: "Oh my God, I'm scared to answer the phone today."

"It's insane," said Slack. "Can you imagine getting this with your cup of coffee in the morning? Somehow it got through all our checks. Our publisher's not having a very good day today."

Slack sent the photos to WND, which immediately confirmed they were the same porn photos reported on last week.

Responding to an e-mail request from the Globe, WND furnished the true source of the photos, and walked Slack through the "Sex In War" site over the phone, so she could see the photos matched.

I'll take the 'Five days for $15' deal," Slack quipped, adding, "This is ridiculous. I'll be working at Penthouse soon."

The photos accompanied an article about Boston city councilor Chuck Turner, who distributed the graphic photographs yesterday at a press conference with activist Sadiki Kambon. Turner told reporters the photos showed U.S. soldiers raping Iraqi women.

"The American people have a right and responsibility to see the pictures," Turner said.

Kambon, who is director of the Black Community Information Center, said at the news conference he received the photographs by e-mail from Akbar Muhammad, a representative for the Nation of Islam.

The Globe was provided with a statement by Muhammad who wrote, "There aren't any doubts in my mind about the reports on torture of Iraqi prisoners. All you have to do is look at the pictures of Saddam Hussein after his capture when he was being examined on television across the world. He appeared to be drugged and unaware that he was being filmed to be humiliated and disgraced in front of the entire world."

As WND previously reported, the pornographic 'rape' images were carried, among other venues, on the website for the Committee for the Defense of Saddam Hussein.

In the letter given to the globe, Muhammad termed reservists, "raving beasts," and added, "I was fortunate enough to make copies of the pictures before they became unavailable on the Internet."

The pictures are still on the porn site "Sex In War" and appeared in several Arabic newspapers.

Muhammad also called for the resignation of Rumsfeld.

Turner and Kambon told the Globe they don't know where or when the photos they distributed yesterday were taken. But Turner said they came from a "very legitimate person."

"We cannot document their authenticity," he told reporters. "But you have the ability to do that."

The Globe published the photographic images despite the fact a skeptical Slack had raised serious doubts about them and was not able to verify their authenticity. Slack was assigned to report on the press conference and did not approve of the photos being published. The photos were approved for publication by three Boston Globe editors.

In the article the Boston Globe ran with the photos, Slack underscored her skepticism: "The images, depicting men in camouflage uniforms having sex with unidentified women, bear no characteristics that would prove the men are U.S. soldiers or that the women are Iraqis. And there is nothing apparent in the images showing they were taken in Iraq. Unlike the photographs widely publicized last week, the images appear to have been taken outdoors in a sandy area with hills in the background."

Ironically, a simple "Google/news" search using the terms "Iraq rape photos" would have proven the photos were fake and the story groundless. Specifically, the search would have retrieved WND's series on the photos as well as a statement issued the day after WND's expose (May 5) by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo confirming that the photos were fake and demanding that Arab newspapers that had carried the photos publish retractions. In addition, WND's expose of the photos was mentioned at Monday's White House press briefing.

A source with the Globe said the controversy already had reached the president of the New York Times, who reportedly is furious. The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times Co.

Turner said he and Kambon were distributing the photos to force the Bush administration to release additional documentation of abuses, which Turner said are not limited to the prison, west of Baghdad.

At the time of publication of this report, Turner and Kambon were not available for comment.

So far, the Globe hasn't published a retraction. However, as posted on the Free Republic website, a reader who wrote the Globe's ombudsman, Christine Chinlund, received the following e-mail reply:


The Globe should not have run the photo. It appeared as the result of a miscommunication between photo staffers, and a collapse of the usual "checks and balances" system. In my next column I will provide a more detailed explanation of how this lamentable mistake happened.
Sincerely,

Chris Chinlund
Globe Ombud

Chinlund's response ended with the following P.S.: "Can you tell me which website is providing the copy for letters like yours? Thanks."  

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2004, 10:50:24 AM »
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Reamed for what?  

 
For releasing military info to the public.

If a media org obtains photos of abuse who are they to release them directly to the public?  :nonono:   Is there not depts within the military or appointed secular groups ie Amnesty International (just a thought, other groups?) to deal with this as opposed to just bam arbitrarily showing them to the public?  The results seem to be nothing but negativity and a bunch of hypocritical old wheezebags on the Hill doing the usual blah blah blah.

As sf101 posted it has lead to increased terrorism and how about that Berg man whom the Morons flat said this is payback for the Prison Triangle Offense.

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2004, 10:51:04 AM »
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Reamed for what?  

As a matter of fact both Rumsfeld and the deplorable congressman James Imhofe of Oklahoma have played "shoot the messenger."
I agree.  If reaming CBS for publishing pictures is acceptable what is the next step?  Having news organizations receive permission before running any stories?  Who gets to decide (filter/censor) what is the news?  :crazy:  
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2004, 10:55:35 AM »
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They should head on up here to west chester, and apologize directly to his family, because if it weren't for them their son would likely still be alive.

They have been killing civilian employee's for awhile now, the terrorists are just using this video as a ploy to advance their agenda. His dying, even though they mentioned the prison photos as the "reason", likely would have happened anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2004, 10:57:38 AM »
whether or not other civilians have died does not take away from the fact that this WILL increase the hostility and cause more deaths.

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2004, 12:20:56 PM »
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Reamed for what? 

As a matter of fact both Rumsfeld and the deplorable congressman James Imhofe of Oklahoma have played "shoot the messenger."
I agree.  If reaming CBS for publishing pictures is acceptable what is the next step?  Having news organizations receive permission before running any stories?  Who gets to decide (filter/censor) what is the news?  :crazy:
I don't believe the news should be censored -- newspapers (much like this board) should censor themselves.  However, with that being said, when a newspaper screws up (like the Boston Globe did) they should hold themselves as responsible as people want to hold Rumsfield.  These pictures do HUGE damage to our soldiers in the field -- and I'm talking about those who do their duty each day and haven't been involved in the events in which have been pictured.  

I will say that censorship should ONLY come when the papers refuse to police themselves.  Newspapers have been pretty bad lately in policing themselves -- and if they can't police themselves then I think someone will end up policing them.  How many reporters have lied?  How many times have programs (like 60 minutes) pulled a stunt like putting demolitions in a truck to cause it to blow up to show the world that the trucks are unsafe?  News SHOULD be non-partisan -- when the news turns to "the ends justify the means" -- this is as dangerous as censorship, IMO and newspapers should be held liable legally.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2004, 01:09:25 PM »
False journalism not only a problem in US:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/...e.uk/index.html

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2004, 03:10:39 PM »
dbods, my problem with that is that many of the left are calling for Rumsfield's job and then somehow look the other way when travesties like this take place.  Do you think showing (and giving credance -- at least in some peoples eyes esp. the eyes in the Middle East) these kind of pictures are going to cause our soldiers to be safer and more secure or will their lives be at greater risk?  Sure, a newspaper will print a retraction in the back somewhere and senators will apologize -- does anyone think that the Middle East is going to print or air the retractions or the headlines and quotes of these people who aren't even quoting the facts?  

IF the facts point out that Rumsfield (and/or whoever else in leadership positions) knew these atrosities were taking place and simply looked the other way, then I want his resignation (and more) along with whoever in leadership was responsible.  I just wonder why the left keeps harping to make Rumsfield responsible when they never require the same level of responsibility of their own?

The newspaper and politicians who endorsed these non-factual pictures should now have the knowledge that they have helped our enemy -- terrorists and that these terrorists will use these pictures, these quotes, etc. as a way to recruit more terrorists who will willing give their lives because of the autrocities of the US.  They must be SOOO proud!  :puke:  

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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2004, 03:23:11 PM »
Sometimes I think some of you guys have poo-poo between your ears on certain subjects.

I guess not showing the pictures means that what happened, and probably would have kept happening, didn't happen?  Remove your heads from your arses already.  Killing innocent civilians is NOTHING new to these people, at happened before it would continue to happen regardless of the prison incidents.

How about some of you flock faces that want to ream the media consider reamming the POS's that where in the pictures?

Bunch of pendejos sometimes.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2004, 03:31:06 PM »
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How about some of you flock faces that want to ream the media consider reamming the POS's that where in the pictures?

Since when can't you be mad at more than one person/group?  Since when can only one person be wrong?

Both should be "reammed"

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2004, 03:34:24 PM »
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How about some of you flock faces that want to ream the media consider reamming the POS's that where in the pictures?

Since when can't you be mad at more than one person/group?  Since when can only one person be wrong?

Both should be "reammed"
Why should the media be reamed, they're not the ones who abused those prisoners.

And the stupid suggestion that it's going to lead to more killings is just that, stupid.  People are being killed in Iraq BECAUSE THEY ARE IN IRAQ!

For flocks sake, get a grip people!
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2004, 03:35:00 PM »
"The left never demands the same responsibility of it's own."

Two helicopters do down in Mogadishu and Clinton ran Defense Secretary Les Aspin out of town in short order.

Don Rumsfeld, by his own claims, didn't know this was going on, then didn't tell the President, and the Prez says he's doing a "superb" job.

Stephen Glass gets caught cheating at the New Republic, gets fired, and is publicly castigated by his former employers and coworkers.

Geraldo lies about reporting from a combat situation, gives away troop locations and Fox keeps him.