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« on: May 05, 2004, 12:16:34 AM »
Hokey Smokes Bullwinkle!!! What happened JN? Garnett riding the mometum of the League MVP and he manages 6-21 shooting?! The Kings swarmed around him like flies on a Sacramento cowfarm, it's a good thing he hit his FT's. And he was monster on the defensive boards but man, he looked lost to me out there on the offensive side. Minnesota's #7 defense gave up homecourt and allowed 6 Kings (out of 7 that played), to score in double figures all in one night, maybe we were giving the Wolves more credit than they deserved, if it weren't for Sam Cassell and his 7 3 pointers, the Wolves lose this one in a blowout.

Congrats. JoMal, Jordan, this had to make your night with all the doom and gloom that's been tossed around about the Kings lately, although pesonally I think once again, Webber slowed the Kings down too much, Mike Bibby had a great game and singlehandedly stuck the dagger in Minnesota, who didn't help themselves by  developing a real bad case of greasy fingers with all those turnovers.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2004, 12:43:09 AM »
Right here my man.  

Indeed, big props to Jomal, Jordan and the Kings, particularly Bibby.   KG did look out of sorts.  Looked to me like he was off, pretty well defended by his man and very well defened by the rotation including guys rotating from all the way over on the opposite side.    The Kings wisely forced Hassell and others to shoot.  KG didn't pass out the doubles well enough.

Speaking of Hasell he was great, throttling Peja and scoring in his own right.  Vlade played well, Spree Stank and Kandi is a cruel, cruel joke.  

KG and Spree didn't respond, Hoiberg couldn't bury a clutch three, Christie did, and there you have it.

The Wolves offensive rebounding is awful at times.  

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2004, 12:50:14 AM »
Not too shabby IMO.  Kings stepped up and snatched home court away just like that.  Really with as well as Bibby has played over the past few seasons I dont see how he was under every team's radar.  His great play makes up for those i-just-hit-the-championship-winning-shot-dance when its 4 minutes into the 2nd quarter.  Props to B-miller, Vlade, and Christie for knowing their roles and playing some solid basketball.

Cassell was SMOKIN.  I can't believe they lost with him dropping 40.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2004, 12:53:01 AM »
Bibby was back into killer form.  But the shot of the night was Christie's dagger in the heart 3 pointer.  WOW!

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2004, 08:55:57 AM »
Hey I called that one right....picking the Kings to win last night.  2nd round is new territory for the Wolves and KG.   KG celebrated his first round victory the way Lakers & Spurs celebrate playoff win #16 (15 in prior years).  The Kings showed in the first round that they put the final weeks of regular season behind them and understood that the true season has started.  Big win by the Kings....but I expect Minny to pull out the series.

On a related note....why doesn't Minneapolis support the Wolves fully.  4 home playoff games and only 1 sell out.

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Jon Barry would have been proud of Twin Cities basketball fans for the lack of excitement they brought to Target Center on Tuesday night.

This was the first time in Timberwolves' history that the locals were playing in the second round of the NBA playoffs. The response of the sporting public lived down to Barry's expectations.

Barry, the Denver guard, had ridiculed the noise level produced by the non-sellout crowds for Games 1 and 2 against the Nuggets last month. This made him the villain last Friday, when the arena finally was full for Game 5, and the Wolves finally advanced to the second round with a victory.

Chris Wright, the Wolves' marketing boss, had said a year ago that all it would take for the franchise to again become the favored wintertime pro team in Minnesota would be to make it through a first-round playoff series.

That happened on Friday, and four days later, it had not provided the anticipated magic with the fans.

It's probably as simple as this: The Wolves won 58 games this season, earned the West's No. 1 seed, and getting out of the first round went from a quest to a given with the public.

Whatever the excuse, the Wolves again failed to sell out a playoff game, coming up 214 short on Tuesday.


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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2004, 09:00:29 AM »
The WHOLE state supports the T-wolves that's suprising. We even designed a T-Wolves Lottery Scratch Off ticket, big seller.  That would never happen here in Texas.

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2004, 09:46:00 AM »
Playoff loss after playoff loss will do that to enthusiasm levels.  I think the inability of some fans to relate to the NBA and it's well traveled millionaires showed up in this state very strongly this year.  Earlier this year a Wolves/Kings game was broadcast at the same time as a U of MN Women's game against Penn State.  More than twice as many people tuned in to watch the women's game.  

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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2004, 10:26:41 AM »
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Playoff loss after playoff loss will do that to enthusiasm levels.  I think the inability of some fans to relate to the NBA and it's well traveled millionaires showed up in this state very strongly this year.  Earlier this year a Wolves/Kings game was broadcast at the same time as a U of MN Women's game against Penn State.  More than twice as many people tuned in to watch the women's game.
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Oh wait that was Dabodz prank yesterday.  it was a good game, i thought for sure minnie would win it.  not to worry though jn.  spree had what?  9 points, KG had points somewhere in the teens.  they will both come to play harder come game 2, I think the wolves will still take this series in 7.  atleast this will be good series....
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2004, 10:32:05 AM »
Yeah I'm not panicking yet though I'm very disappointed with the results last night.  

On the positive side Spree has played better on the road and I expect KG to hit his shots the next game.

The down side is Bibby is perfectly capable of going out and doing the same damage again and as good as Hassell is on D I don't forsee Peja having another 3 airball game.  

There's nothing for the Wolves to do but dance back.  ;)  

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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2004, 10:34:38 AM »
What was with Spree taking every shot off balance?
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2004, 10:39:18 AM »
He shoots a lot of odd looking leaners even on a good night and last night was not a good night.  Spree keeps his feet very close together when he shoots and I think that leads to some of the leaning. I have no idea what his problem was last night.  He was rushing shots for no reason last night.    

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2004, 11:26:00 AM »
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He shoots a lot of odd looking leaners even on a good night and last night was not a good night.  Spree keeps his feet very close together when he shoots and I think that leads to some of the leaning. I have no idea what his problem was last night.  He was rushing shots for no reason last night.
Yea I know he leans into alot of his baby jumpers but last night looked like he was too far forward.  Almost like he was depending on his momentum to get the ball to the rim as oppose to using his legs and arms.  I think if he would have waited half a second longer to elevate upwards he would have nailed the shots he normally makes 9 out of 10 times.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2004, 11:50:10 AM »
I agree.  The extra lean seemed to cause extra flat shots.  

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2004, 01:26:13 PM »
Well, that went better then expected. The Kings still can surprise me and the defensive effort they put out in game #1 was exceptional.

But the story of this game was the evolution of Mike Bibby becoming the leader on the Kings' team. It no longer belongs to Chris Webber, if it ever did. Before the game and once during a time out in the fourth quarter, Bibby called his teammates together next to the bench and gave an impromptu lecture. But it was not enough to just tell his quiet teammates what to do; he demonstrated what they should do right afterwards in the game. In the first quarter, he drove the offense and created the lead personnally. In the fourth, his lecture was to force the Wolves to keep passing the ball and eventually they might get a steal. On the very first play after that timeout, sure enough the Kings stole the ball - Bibby, actually.

Contrary to what was mentioned earlier, Webber played the game within the concept the Kings are using him. He forced his way toward the basket and got Garnett some early fouls. While he clearly can't elevate to finish dunks like he used to, he at least got to the line.

Peja is the problem area. While Hassell did some good defensive work on him, he airballed open looks - completely open looks. It was not defensive pressure making him miss those. But what was?? Before this series is over, the Kings will need him to hit those shots. Vlade played well and Garnett played less then well; perhaps from the pregame hype over his MVP presentation, which can throw anyone off their pregame ritual. Sprewell missing his open looks helped considerably as well, but in future games the Kings had better do something about him.

Cassell's forty would look much better if Bibby had not scored 33 and handled his team better then Sam managed his. The free throw discrepancy, and the fact that the Kings actually shot a better percentage from the line then did the Wolves, aided SacTown in winning as well. It did not look like the refs were particularly favoring the Kings either, as many of those fouls were open court reach-ins that were aggressive moves, but silly at the same time. Both teams got players hammered under the basket with no calls being made. but the Kings were more aggressive going to the basket and the Kings are not that aggressive in cutting off Wolve's players when they did that, so the Wolves were making more contact and getting called for it.

Better playoff defense by the Kings has got them two big wins on the road, but the Wolves won both of the regular season games at Arco, so one road win is not enough to judge how this series is going to end up. Every game is so important. Claiming the home court will mean nothing if they end up giving it right back again.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2004, 02:12:37 PM »
I have several observations of the game:

1)  You saw a TWolves team that was clearly not over the "jitters" of moving deeper into the playoffs.  

2)  In addition to #1, you had a Kings team that took it to them offensively and defensely.  The Kings were clearly in control and they never let up (although there were a couple of times you thought the TWolves were almost to the top of the mountain and then they would fall back).

3)  The Kings have managed to learn to pull together defensively.  Their double-teams have been HUGE -- both in last nights game and in the one against the Lakers -- they are finding a way to double inside and outside (Cassell and KG) and still manage to rotate in time to get a hand in the face of the shooter.  Props to the Kings, for do I even DARE say it, good defense. :huh:

4)  Several players need to find their game:  Hoiberg is going to be huge for the TWolves but Spree HAS to show up and have confidence in his shot -- too many times last night, he hesitated before shooting, as a shooter you simply can't have any second guesses about shooting.  Same for Peja, who has struggled ever since CWebb came back and "put him in his place."  THE best shooter in the game and he is shooting horribly.  Bibby and Christie are both playing with TONS of confidence and making up for the MIA Peja but I think Bibby needs to tell Peja that HE is the man and to forget about CWebb.  CWebb has been good but it has been the Kings TEAM that has managed to overcome CWebb's shortcomings and win games.

I think the TWolves have gotten the spotlights out of their eyes and this is going to be a VERY good series.