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« on: April 27, 2004, 11:51:20 AM »
Putting aside the questionable Arena video for the moment, which amused (at least publically) Christie and Webber, but ticked off their teammates, this game exhibited a rather fired up King's squad compared to how they have played up to now.

Putting up with the much more aggressive play of the Mavericks in the first three games, something (maybe that video) finally got under SacTown's collective skins and the turned the table on their foes. While defending the free throw line is hard to do, the Mavs at least contributed to their own problems by missing thirteen easy shots; just enough to make a difference in the outcome of this game. Having handed the Lakers a title two years ago with a similar display in game seven of that series, it was a small retribution for that failure, but it does mean the Kings have a chance to end this series in five now.

Once again, the instigator of this aggression was Doug Christie. While laughing off the mocking video showing him on a leash held by his wife, apparently Doug was NOT that amused by it. At least the Maverick players might consider that possibility after Christie personally abused their bodies and their psychi's continuously in game four, to the point where he even got "T'd" up for bouncing a ball off of Dirk Nowitzki's face after the German poked several times at the basketball Doug was holding after a stoppage of play. Doug's media image and relationship with his wife is often confused with him being a 'soft' guy who can be mocked without reprisals. That little mistake cost the Mavericks a game they could ill afford to lose, and possibly any chance to win this best of seven series now. As the Laker's Rick Fox learned two years ago, it is best to [/b]NEVER[/b] get Christie mad at you. Dirk would have learned that lesson too if the players had not been separated quickly, seven feet or not. Christie is hard enough to handle when he LIKES you.

But the real story of this game was in the effort put out by the Kings, clearly not there in game three, but somehow abundantly evident in game four. The ridiculously high number of rebounds collected by both teams reflects either the better defense being played or the worse offense being exhibited, but the key was that the 'board'- challenged Sacramento squad outdid the Mavericks in collecting them by thirteen - the first game in the series in which they managed to do that, setting a record for a Dallas post season opponent in the process.

Note to AA Center officials - Too late now, but you might want to fire your creative genious who thought a mocking video of opposing players would somehow help the home team out. And to Laker fans who still feel offense about the Kings burning that LA jersey some years back, since that was in direct response to your own coaches stupid comments prior to that game, plus the countless (and counting) idiocy mouthed every time a TV camera comes within two times zones of the coaches and players on the Lakers, I just wish we had burned a cop car instead. The message would have been much clearer.  
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2004, 12:31:27 PM »
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Putting aside the questionable Arena video for the moment, which amused (at least publically) Christie and Webber, but ticked off their teammates, this game exhibited a rather fired up King's squad compared to how they have played up to now.

Putting up with the much more aggressive play of the Mavericks in the first three games, something (maybe that video) finally got under SacTown's collective skins and the turned the table on their foes. While defending the free throw line is hard to do, the Mavs at least contributed to their own problems by missing thirteen easy shots; just enough to make a difference in the outcome of this game. Having handed the Lakers a title two years ago with a similar display in game seven of that series, it was a small retribution for that failure, but it does mean the Kings have a chance to end this series in five now.

Once again, the instigator of this aggression was Doug Christie. While laughing off the mocking video showing him on a leash held by his wife, apparently Doug was NOT that amused by it. At least the Maverick players might consider that possibility after Christie personally abused their bodies and their psychi's continuously in game four, to the point where he even got "T'd" up for bouncing a ball off of Dirk Nowitzki's face after the German poked several times at the basketball Doug was holding after a stoppage of play. Doug's media image and relationship with his wife is often confused with him being a 'soft' guy who can be mocked without reprisals. That little mistake cost the Mavericks a game they could ill afford to lose, and possibly any chance to win this best of seven series now. As the Laker's Rick Fox learned two years ago, it is best to [/b]NEVER[/b] get Christie mad at you. Dirk would have learned that lesson too if the players had not been separated quickly, seven feet or not. Christie is hard enough to handle when he LIKES you.

But the real story of this game was in the effort put out by the Kings, clearly not there in game three, but somehow abundantly evident in game four. The ridiculously high number of rebounds collected by both teams reflects either the better defense being played or the worse offense being exhibited, but the key was that the 'board'- challenged Sacramento squad outdid the Mavericks in collecting them by thirteen - the first game in the series in which they managed to do that, setting a record for a Dallas post season opponent in the process.

Note to AA Center officials - Too late now, but you might want to fire your creative genious who thought a mocking video of opposing players would somehow help the home team out. And to Laker fans who still feel offense about the Kings burning that LA jersey some years back, since that was in direct response to your own coaches stupid comments prior to that game, plus the countless (and counting) idiocy mouthed every time a TV camera comes within two times zones of the coaches and players on the Lakers, I just wish we had burned a cop car instead. The message would have been much clearer.

No question Christie is having a great series, but let's not get carried away here JoMal.  He looks great against the Mavs matador D, but he is a great defender and an inconsistent offensive player at best.  He got a good shot in on Fox and flipped a ball in Nowitzki's face.  Mohammed Ali, he is not.  Let's see how he does when he's actually being defended in a series before we declare him an all star and the heavyweight champion of the world.  

I didn't realize the Laker organization sanctioned the burning of cop cars.  Interesting.  Big, bad Phil Jackson had a few unkind words to say in the media so we'll just have to burn a jersey.  That really showed the Lakers.  All it did was reinforce Phil's point.  Bush-league!  Too bad the Kings have never been able to back it up on the court.  Oh, but I forgot, the Kings gave the Lakers the game by missing their freethrows, and the refs gave the Lakers the game b/c the league wants them to be Champs.  Maybe someday the Kings will win a championship and the rest of the country can watch while the mullet-laden locals celebrate by dancing around some primered-Camaros and mini-trucks engulfed in flames.  

Man, I love this time of year  :D  

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2004, 01:25:33 PM »
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Having handed the Lakers a title two years ago with a similar display in game seven of that series, it was a small retribution for that failure, but it does mean the Kings have a chance to end this series in five now.

Keep telling yourself that and maybe you'll start to believe it.  The Kings just don't have heart, plain and simple.  Thier leader is a gutless choker and it carries over to the rest of the team.  They're not championship caliber players but as a team they may have enough talent to overwhelm their oppenents.

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Once again, the instigator of this aggression was Doug Christie. While laughing off the mocking video showing him on a leash held by his wife, apparently Doug was NOT that amused by it. At least the Maverick players might consider that possibility after Christie personally abused their bodies and their psychi's continuously in game four, to the point where he even got "T'd" up for bouncing a ball off of Dirk Nowitzki's face after the German poked several times at the basketball Doug was holding after a stoppage of play. Doug's media image and relationship with his wife is often confused with him being a 'soft' guy who can be mocked without reprisals. That little mistake cost the Mavericks a game they could ill afford to lose, and possibly any chance to win this best of seven series now. As the Laker's Rick Fox learned two years ago, it is best to [/b]NEVER[/b] get Christie mad at you. Dirk would have learned that lesson too if the players had not been separated quickly, seven feet or not. Christie is hard enough to handle when he LIKES you.

The Christie relationship is strange to say the least, let's not try and paint it as something else.  It's bizzare and unhealthy, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a Heartman or Bobbit incident in the future.  Throwing one swipe then having the fight broken up hardly consitutes a "street fighter" or tough guy.  Maybe all that domination at home by his wife makes Doug a bit more physco on the court, I could by that.

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Note to AA Center officials - Too late now, but you might want to fire your creative genious who thought a mocking video of opposing players would somehow help the home team out. And to Laker fans who still feel offense about the Kings burning that LA jersey some years back, since that was in direct response to your own coaches stupid comments prior to that game, plus the countless (and counting) idiocy mouthed every time a TV camera comes within two times zones of the coaches and players on the Lakers, I just wish we had burned a cop car instead. The message would have been much clearer.

Same old myopic JoMal, the Lakers are arrogant while the Kings are just confident.  Blah blah blah!  The Lakers are villans the Kings are justified.  Sucks to be a Kings fan.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2004, 02:59:11 PM »
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The Christie relationship is strange to say the least, let's not try and paint it as something else.  It's bizzare and unhealthy, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a Heartman or Bobbit incident in the future.  Throwing one swipe then having the fight broken up hardly consitutes a "street fighter" or tough guy.  Maybe all that domination at home by his wife makes Doug a bit more physco on the court, I could by that.

 
The Christie's relationship is not as strange as the media or the Lakers or the Mavs want to make it out to be, but whatever. If they are happy with it, what is extremely bizarre is how people try to make it out to be "strange". "bizarre", and "unhealthy" because they are close and somehow that has to be attacked. Think about it. Jackie could be like Mrs. Bryant, and just sit at home and wait for her philandering husband to bring her home another bauble as penance for getting charged with rape.

Oh, but that doesn't qualify as "strange" or "bizarre"  or "unhealthy in today's NBA radar, does it.   :lol:  The Christie's are the ones accused of being bizarre.

Welcome to the continued LA lowered value system integrating the rest of the country once again. F*** family values, huh WOW? Spending your off time in a Colorado court room accussed of rape instead of being with his family, now THAT qualifies as the typical LA family role model.

msc, when Mohammed Ali starts playing shooting guard in the NBA, I will reassess my statement. In the meantime, as Rick Fox learned, he really should not listen to his own press clippings about him being a "tough guy" in the NBA by mocking the Doug Christie's in the League again. He couldn't back it up; Doug could. End of story. Fox proved himself to be just a loudmouthed wuss and became a comic strip pretty boy afraid of messing up his looks before he could cash in on them.

Are YOU suggesting Christie is an All Star and heavyweight fighing material? I certainly never did, but I DO believe I mentioned he pounded on the MAVERICKS pretty well.

While your at the exaggeration extreme, why not talk about personal anatomy attributes.  :lol:

Yeah, great time of the year, I certainly concur with that one. ;)    
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2004, 03:03:29 PM »
I forgot to add about Christie's street toughs. He grew up in a black neighborhood as a half black, half white kid with a white mother. Probably why he later developed such a close relationship with his wife, he was something of an outcast with both worlds and had to learn how to protect himself at a very early age. At the behest of his mother, he started to defend himself if challenged, which he learned to do quite well.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2004, 03:03:43 PM »
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The Christie relationship is strange to say the least, let's not try and paint it as something else.  It's bizzare and unhealthy, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a Heartman or Bobbit incident in the future.  Throwing one swipe then having the fight broken up hardly consitutes a "street fighter" or tough guy.  Maybe all that domination at home by his wife makes Doug a bit more physco on the court, I could by that.

 
The Christie's relationship is not as strange as the media or the Lakers or the Mavs want to make it out to be, but whatever. If they are happy with it, what is extremely bizarre is how people try to make it out to be "strange". "bizarre", and "unhealthy" because they are close and somehow that has to be attacked. Think about it. Jackie could be like Mrs. Bryant, and just sit at home and wait for her philandering husband to bring her home another bauble as penance for getting charged with rape.

Oh, but that doesn't qualify as "strange" or "bizarre"  or "unhealthy in today's NBA radar, does it.   :lol:  The Christie's are the ones accused of being bizarre.

Welcome to the continued LA lowered value system integrating the rest of the country once again. F*** family values, huh WOW? Spending your off time in a Colorado court room accussed of rape instead of being with his family, now THAT qualifies as the typical LA family role model.

msc, when Mohammed Ali starts playing shooting guard in the NBA, I will reassess my statement. In the meantime, as Rick Fox learned, he really should not listen to his own press clippings about him being a "tough guy" in the NBA by mocking the Doug Christie's in the League again. He couldn't back it up; Doug could. End of story. Fox proved himself to be just a loudmouthed wuss and became a comic strip pretty boy afraid of messing up his looks before he could cash in on them.

Are YOU suggesting Christie is an All Star and heavyweight fighing material? I certainly never did, but I DO believe I mentioned he pounded on the MAVERICKS pretty well.

While your at the exaggeration extreme, why not talk about personal anatomy attributes.  :lol:

Yeah, great time of the year, I certainly concur with that one. ;)
While Kobe's relationship may be "wrong" or "tainted" or "damaged" or whatever why do you kid yourself into thinking the Christies relationship is strange.  It's the strangest relationship I've ever heard of.  The only thing that comes close is when some women marry gay men, like Liza Mineli or Star Jones.

Crack on Kobe all you want that doesn't affect how bizarre the Christies relationship is been.  Give me a break JoMal, they are weird beyond belief, most writers couldn't come up with a stranger relationsihp.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2004, 03:09:33 PM »
Well, Mrs. Lurker say that the Christies.....

oops, I hear the Mrs. calling now.

Bye.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 03:13:53 PM »
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Crack on Kobe all you want that doesn't affect how bizarre the Christies relationship is been.  Give me a break JoMal, they are weird beyond belief, most writers couldn't come up with a stranger relationsihp.
It is not that I even care about the Bryant's situation; the courts  :lol:  will take care of that one, but as a comparision to the Christie's marriage it stands out as far more bizarre. Why are THEY even married yet, or could it be that his money makes his wanderings hardly a bother. Yeah, THAT is such a far more healthier relationship then the Christie's

But let me ask you this. Why do you even care about the Christie's? Do you care all that much about who Liza Minnelli is married to, or Star Jones?

How "bizarre" is it to be consumed by the Christie's and their relationship, WOW, as you are starting to appear to be?
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2004, 03:16:44 PM »
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Crack on Kobe all you want that doesn't affect how bizarre the Christies relationship is been.  Give me a break JoMal, they are weird beyond belief, most writers couldn't come up with a stranger relationsihp.
It is not that I even care about the Bryant's situation; the courts  :lol:  will take care of that one, but as a comparision to the Christie's marriage it stands out as far more bizarre. Why are THEY even married yet, or could it be that his money makes his wanderings hardly a bother. Yeah, THAT is such a far more healthier relationship then the Christie's

But let me ask you this. Why do you even care about the Christie's? Do you care all that much about who Liza Minnelli is married to, or Star Jones?

How "bizarre" is it to be consumed by the Christie's and their relationship, WOW, as you are starting to appear to be?
FYI:  I'm not the one who keeps brining it up, along with Rick Fox incident.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2004, 04:25:11 PM »
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msc, when Mohammed Ali starts playing shooting guard in the NBA, I will reassess my statement. In the meantime, as Rick Fox learned, he really should not listen to his own press clippings about him being a "tough guy" in the NBA by mocking the Doug Christie's in the League again. He couldn't back it up; Doug could. End of story. Fox proved himself to be just a loudmouthed wuss and became a comic strip pretty boy afraid of messing up his looks before he could cash in on them. Are YOU suggesting Christie is an All Star and heavyweight fighing material? I certainly never did, but I DO believe I mentioned he pounded on the MAVERICKS pretty well.

While your at the exaggeration extreme, why not talk about personal anatomy attributes. 

All exaggerations aside, one decent shot at Fox before the refs/players step in and a ball flung at Dirk Diggler does not earn him the rep as a tough guy.  Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.  Is Doug a great defender? Yes.  A mediocre offensive player, yes.  Inconsistent, yes.  Tough guy, no.  Forget Ali, I’d like to see him take Christie “The Coal Miners Daughter” Martin.  That is, if his wife will allow him out of the house to go down the boxing ring and stand within 10 feet of another female.

Good luck in the next round, I hope for your sake that Christie can sustain the same level of offense against a team that has actually heard there is a letter in the alphabet between C and E.  

Regarding his wife, c'mon JoMal, she won't let him travel alone, won't let female reporters talk to him .... you don't find that level of insecurity and possessiveness even remotely unhealthy?   :huh:


 

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 04:52:51 PM »
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Regarding his wife, c'mon JoMal, she won't let him travel alone, won't let female reporters talk to him .... you don't find that level of insecurity and possessiveness even remotely unhealthy?
Actually of course I do, but look how drippy with fop sweat WOW gets when I questioned why he was so "bizarrely" fascinated with the Christie's?   ;)  
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2004, 04:59:00 PM »
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Regarding his wife, c'mon JoMal, she won't let him travel alone, won't let female reporters talk to him .... you don't find that level of insecurity and possessiveness even remotely unhealthy?
Actually of course I do, but look how drippy with fop sweat WOW gets when I questioned why he was so "bizarrely" fascinated with the Christie's?   ;)
"FYI: I'm not the one who keeps brining it up, along with Rick Fox incident."

That did take alot out of me.  :rolleyes:  
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2004, 05:04:32 PM »
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Regarding his wife, c'mon JoMal, she won't let him travel alone, won't let female reporters talk to him .... you don't find that level of insecurity and possessiveness even remotely unhealthy?
Actually of course I do, but look how drippy with fop sweat WOW gets when I questioned why he was so "bizarrely" fascinated with the Christie's?   ;)
"FYI: I'm not the one who keeps brining it up, along with Rick Fox incident."

That did take alot out of me.  :rolleyes:
Well, share whatever is left with Ms. Lurker. They are running low.  
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2004, 07:13:21 PM »
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The Christie relationship is strange to say the least, let's not try and paint it as something else.  It's bizzare and unhealthy, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about a Heartman or Bobbit incident in the future.  Throwing one swipe then having the fight broken up hardly consitutes a "street fighter" or tough guy.  Maybe all that domination at home by his wife makes Doug a bit more physco on the court, I could by that.

 
The Christie's relationship is not as strange as the media or the Lakers or the Mavs want to make it out to be, but whatever. If they are happy with it, what is extremely bizarre is how people try to make it out to be "strange". "bizarre", and "unhealthy" because they are close and somehow that has to be attacked. Think about it. Jackie could be like Mrs. Bryant, and just sit at home and wait for her philandering husband to bring her home another bauble as penance for getting charged with rape.

Oh, but that doesn't qualify as "strange" or "bizarre"  or "unhealthy in today's NBA radar, does it.   :lol:  The Christie's are the ones accused of being bizarre.

Welcome to the continued LA lowered value system integrating the rest of the country once again. F*** family values, huh WOW? Spending your off time in a Colorado court room accussed of rape instead of being with his family, now THAT qualifies as the typical LA family role model.

msc, when Mohammed Ali starts playing shooting guard in the NBA, I will reassess my statement. In the meantime, as Rick Fox learned, he really should not listen to his own press clippings about him being a "tough guy" in the NBA by mocking the Doug Christie's in the League again. He couldn't back it up; Doug could. End of story. Fox proved himself to be just a loudmouthed wuss and became a comic strip pretty boy afraid of messing up his looks before he could cash in on them.

Are YOU suggesting Christie is an All Star and heavyweight fighing material? I certainly never did, but I DO believe I mentioned he pounded on the MAVERICKS pretty well.

While your at the exaggeration extreme, why not talk about personal anatomy attributes.  :lol:

Yeah, great time of the year, I certainly concur with that one. ;)
Hey, it's the Christie's marriage and their life to live and it doesn't hurt anyone -- well, anyone who isn't a woman associated with the Kings organization and tries to talk to Dougie personally.  I find the whole Christie is a tough guy hilarious, JoMal -- of course, this is a little of a spin from my gradeschool days -- remember, "my dad can beat up your dad" -- in this case it's "my basketball player can beat up your basketball player."  :lol:   I sounds like it gives you the warm fuzzies but it's actually quite funny.

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2004, 08:23:17 PM »
I don't know why some of you feel the need to spend so much time dissecting the Christie's marriage. While you and I may find it strange, they seem happy with the relationship. And considering all the unhealthy marriages out there in which there is constant fighting, infidelity, and abuse, the Christie's marriage looks amazingly healthy. They appear to love each other and work hard to keep their marriage intact. It's tough to question the end result when neither party in this relationship feels exploited.

The video was a tacky move on the part of the Mavericks, but with Cuban at the helm of this franchise, is that really such a surprise?! I'm sure they thought they would get into the heads of the Kings, but (as often happens in cases such as these) their ploy backfired.

I hope that the Kings pull out the series although I think that will be as far as their season will go. They truly look to be battleweary, on their last legs. That they have prevailed thus far against the depth of the Mavs speaks well for their heart (something I thought they were lacking completely a month ago). The team's with the best chance to take the West this season are the T-wolves, Spurs, and Lakers. I believe the winner will probably be the Spurs, but (when the Kings are out of the picture) I'll be rooting for the T-wolves. I'm happy to see KG with a supporting cast that can carry the team past the first round.