Does anyone on this board agree with Ziggy he belongs in the same breathe with Kobe Bryant and Lebron James?
Wk this is very simply the post that really torqued me off. I didn't even come close to saying anything of the sort. I said I could see it becoming a pissing match, and it did right here.
The post was meant to get more people involved in the thread at hand. I asked if anyone agreed. This is a basketball message board and the whole point of creating threads is to get people to debate.
You asked if anyone agreed with Ziggy in that he belongs in the same breath with Kobe Bryant and Lebron James? Only I never said he should belong in the same breath. You put words in my mouth I never said, or even came close to saying. You change Ziggy to Byron Scott in the same post, and nary a peep from me. This is the same thing I had with Randy. I make a post, he changes my words to suit what he wants to argue, and I call BS. What I am supposed to do, just ignore your misstatements and act as if I agree with what you posted, when I don?t? I called you on it.
It's not like I called anyone else an 'idiot' if they disagreed with me. Don't try to blame you blasting off fully on me and take some blame for overracting. No need to call DB an idiot or stupid, whatever. If that sort of thing throws you off into calling other people idiots then maybe you need to lighten up?
There are two things that really light me up on this board. One is being accused of something I didn?t do, and having words put in my mouth. Once again wk, I didn?t call anyone an idiot. So I will be reasonable and tell you right now, you are way out of line with this, way out of line. You are making things up, and it is not a little thing either. That is what sets me off.
DB is telling me that ?this? is what I posted, choosing to ignore a very important part. I told him what I posted, and if he couldn?t see what I posted, then maybe he isn?t as smart as I give him credit for. That is a very far cry from calling him an idiot, not even close. Based upon what goes on around here that is a typical little tongue-in-cheek poke. I have never been anything but deferential and respectful of Derek over the years. To describe what I said as calling Derek an idiot is a sham, and purely a rationalization on your part to make it seem as if you were blameless and I am some wild eyed jerk.
Can I be a jerk, and a smart ass, and a pompous know it all? Sure, I never claimed otherwise. To characterize me, as Derek did is okee dokee, it is his opinion, and he is completely entitled to it. If Derek finds no value in what I post, and sees me only as someone who needs to be combative with posts filled with ad hominem attacks, then so be it. He can ignore away if that is what he wants to do.
I though, feel comfortable in saying there is only one person I owe an apology to, and that is Skandery. I popped off on him 6-8 weeks ago, and I got overly defensive. So my apologies Skandery, I was out of line.
Skandery may think I should apologize for the BCS posts the last couple of years, but I see it differently. I could see he wanted to argue the BCS, and no one was willing to argue with him about it, so it was my gift to him. I took the opposite side, just so he could vent away.
Other than that one incident though I feel no need to apologize to anyone.
OK WK, you don't like Brandon Roy, we get it.
But like the long lost Randy you seem to be afflicted with, "I going to make things up and then argue them as statements of fact", so please show me where exactly it is that I said that.
This is where I supposedly went off the farm and lost it. OK wk, go look at your Durant post. This is exactly what you said referring to my point. I just threw your words back at you in a different context, and I am now the one doing the attacking.
I have no problem with you. I just don?t choose to look at everything in the prism of Kobe, LeBron, or D Wade. I was going to in depth about this and the Durant post, but I am going to let it go. I hear your points, but you need to understand in neither case was I arguing your point, or saying anyone is in the same category as these 3 guys. That is the context you wanted to frame the discussion, but I didn?t want to frame it that way. You proceeded to change what I said and frame it within your context.
This wouldn't be the first time you flew off the handle on a very basic and simple comment. The last time being when I said "As a basketball fan you have to respect Kobe Bryant's game" like the phrase "but you got to respect..." is similar to "in the same breathe" they are commonly used terms. If you took slight to it that is YOUR fault and not MINE.
OK WK here is what I said, in two separate posts
With all due respect, I don?t have to do jack fricking diddly. I very well may respect his work ethic, his commitment, his killer instinct, his talent, his skill, his athletic ability, and in fact many many other things about Kobe, but it is the height of Laker hubris to demand that I respect anything about him.
You don't think I got your point? Of course I got your point, I was just going over the top to show you the absurdity of your point. You of course didn't get mine. I shouldn't have to do, believe, or like anything, regardless of what you or anyone else says. To believe otherwise is the definition of hubris, hence my earlier reference. To qualify it by stating that this only applies if you are a basketball fan, is a non sequitur. It is not an argument where the conclusion follows the premise.
Sure I freely admit, I went way over the top, and I did so deliberately. I said so clearly here. What you took as a personal attack, was simply me going over the top to make a point. I didn?t take slight in what you said, and Way Out West for one got it. You took slight in what I said.
Was it worth it, and would I do it again? No it wasn?t worth it, you never did get my point, so no I wouldn?t do it again. Did I go off on you about Durant? Not hardly. Go look at the thread. Did I go off on you in this thread? Sure, because you made up my words. I am not about to apologize for calling you on it. If you or Derek got offended by that whooptee fricking doo.
Maybe Skander/Lurker are right in that is what Byron meant. He is a key player for the Blazers. The thing is it sounded to me like he was going overboard because he specifically said Kobe and Lebron. Those two are on a level no one else is on. Whereas every single team in this league has a player that needs to be 'focused' on when they come to town. Teams don't just focus in on Lebron and Kobe they dread seeing them, they throw EVERYTHING at them, and then more times then not they end up failing to stop them. Roy is not quite there yet. He is not a 'feared' player. No one should take this as a knock to Roy nor should they think I dislike him. The few times I did get to see him in recent years I thought he was a quality player and a great pick up...just like I think Vince Carter is a quality player or Caron Butler or Baron Davis or T-mac, etc. I however don't feel any of those players are the same as Kobe or Lebron. People lose sleep over trying to figure out how to defend Lebron James. I don't think people lose sleep over Brandon Roy (YET)
I hear your point, Roy isn?t in the same category as Kobe, LeBron. If you want to add Dwade to your big two and make it a big three, that is fine as well. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, and there is no argument from me.
