Kwame coming back to Lakers?

[jemagee]

Jackson should just forget he is on the team, IMO. What good is he if he doesn't conform to the rest of the team? That type of nonsense is what brings teams down and who needs that.

Just like he ignored Dennis Rodman right?

[JoMal]

Jackson should just forget he is on the team, IMO. What good is he if he doesn't conform to the rest of the team? That type of nonsense is what brings teams down and who needs that.

Just like he ignored Dennis Rodman right?

Huh?

Comparing Bynum to Rodman? Don't think so. 

[jemagee]

That's not what I was doing, you weren't talking about Bynum you were making a blanket geralization about 'conformity'...see how I quoted what you wrote?

What are you, sesame street?  One of these things is not like the other, one of these things DOESNT BELONG...

[Lurker]

That's not what I was doing, you weren't talking about Bynum you were making a blanket geralization about 'conformity'...see how I quoted what you wrote?

What are you, sesame street?  One of these things is not like the other, one of these things DOESNT BELONG...

Sorry you are wrong.  JoMal said "he" in his statement which you quoted.  Who do you think that pronoun refers to?

[jemagee]

Actually i was more focused on this statement...i should have been more clear

That type of nonsense is what brings teams down and who needs that.

Though his comments concerning comparing rodman and bynum are interesting, it seems his requirement for conformity is inversely proportional to how good a player is?

I wonder if he thinks Rasheed Wallace should conform?

I don't think 'group mind' obedience is what makes a team successful or unsuccessful...i think it's an antiquated archaic backwards way of thinking to require conformity...if Bynum wanted to see his own doctors for HIS KNEE, that's his right.

Also, Phil Jackson doesn't run or own the lakers, the buss familiy does, regardless of which on phil jackson is sleeping with and bynum seemed to be motivated by one of the buss family and is still pretty young....i think there's more to this than bynums 'conforming' to what phil wants.

[WayOutWest]

You know, who cares about where Kwame Brown is going? The guy is a loser and will be until he is out of the League, so why even talk about him?

For all his faults, Kwame is one of the best position defenders, especially in the post, I've seen since Mychal Thompson.  The problem is he loses focus or something and will make one SPECTACULAR mistake and erase several solid defensive plays that most fans miss since they don't pay too much attention to Kwame's ability to hold his position against ANY big man in the NBA (yes I'm talking about Howard and Duncan).

This other issue, though, about Andrew Bynum. Now THAT is fascinating. What is going on down in LaLa land now? This is the first I even HEARD that Jerry has a little Jimmy gumming up the works.

Jackson should just forget he is on the team, IMO. What good is he if he doesn't conform to the rest of the team? That type of nonsense is what brings teams down and who needs that.

Also, I figured it was Jackson pushing the envelope to acquire Artest. Ron-Ron is exactly the type of player Jackson loves to have on his teams - the 'missing link' to championships. A real pain in the ass player who takes the heat and dishes it out. Perfect. 

I would prefer not to have physco-Ron on the squad.  PJ may be able to control him and harness his powers for a title run but in the end he will destroy the team.

[JoMal]

That's not what I was doing, you weren't talking about Bynum you were making a blanket geralization about 'conformity'...see how I quoted what you wrote?

What are you, sesame street?  One of these things is not like the other, one of these things DOESNT BELONG...

What I was doing was making a specific reference to Bynum and his interaction as part of the Laker organization. Rodman's nonconformity had nothing to do with his basketball work - the type of work which is exactly what Jackson wanted out of him, so his other off-court nonsense did not matter to Phil, while what Bynum is doing directly affects the team and its chemistry. Get it?

[ziggy]

I hadn't heard this story, of course I'm not following the media as closely these days in the off season. 

Ziggy, where is that article from?  It sounds like it's written more for "Entertainment Tonight" type tabloid journalism, rather than a factual, legit story. 

Anyway, as horrible as Kwame is on offense, he is a very good one on one defender.  If he's an insurance policy who is seated waaay at the end of the bench AND the Lakers can pay him the minimum, I think it's a fine move.  He can certainly contribute more the Mihm at this point. 

That said, I won't believe this story until it's reported on the AP wire. 

It is kind of mute (the proper word is mute and not moot, is it not Jomal?) at this point, but I found it at Hoopshype, and it was written by Roland Lazenby. July 24, 2008

[JoMal]

Actually i was more focused on this statement...i should have been more clear

That type of nonsense is what brings teams down and who needs that.

Though his comments concerning comparing rodman and bynum are interesting, it seems his requirement for conformity is inversely proportional to how good a player is?

I wonder if he thinks Rasheed Wallace should conform?

I don't think 'group mind' obedience is what makes a team successful or unsuccessful...i think it's an antiquated archaic backwards way of thinking to require conformity...if Bynum wanted to see his own doctors for HIS KNEE, that's his right.

Also, Phil Jackson doesn't run or own the lakers, the buss familiy does, regardless of which on phil jackson is sleeping with and bynum seemed to be motivated by one of the buss family and is still pretty young....i think there's more to this than bynums 'conforming' to what phil wants.

You don't think 'group mind' obedience is what makes a team successful or unsuccessful? Do you know ANYTHING about basketball, or have you been jerking our chain all this time?

Definition of "team" -   a cooperative unit (especially in sports). A group of people ...linked in a common purpose.

What you are losely calling a "group mind" obedience is what makes a team conform to an offensive or defensive game plan. Which is where players like Brown fail, and where players like Bynum, who apparently is not around the "team" very much, would have a hard time conforming to what the rest of the team is doing by not being there.  

That "antiquated archaic backwards way of thinking to require conformity" on a team has worked out pretty well for hundreds of years. Sorry to hear you think it is a waste of time. But personally, watching five players lurching around the court without conformity, while being a bit confusing to opponents, might be a bit awkward to watch after a while.

And conformity regarding seeing specific doctors, especially sports doctors, can be even more unnerving. Sports doctors are specialist - often trendsetters in their fields. To not see your own team doctor, as this case shows, has led to the team not really knowing the status of Bynum's knee, or what to expect from it once he comes back. That makes no sense to any sports' team conformity and is just plain stupid to consider by the Lakers AND Jackson. But mostly, it appears Bynum is not with the team and is not working out with the team and is not conforming to what Jackson would need from a team member.

Please tell us how my 'antiquated' way of thinking regarding conformity hurts the team effort more then what you are suggesting?

[WayOutWest]

Actually i was more focused on this statement...i should have been more clear

Actually you just got ahead of yourself and tripped, next time try and get your hands out to break your fall.

Though his comments concerning comparing rodman and bynum are interesting, it seems his requirement for conformity is inversely proportional to how good a player is?

I wonder if he thinks Rasheed Wallace should conform?

Rasheed Wallace is an idiot who plays when he feels like it, he should conform then maybe they would get out of the EC instead of losing to powerhouses like the Cavs.

I don't think 'group mind' obedience is what makes a team successful or unsuccessful...i think it's an antiquated archaic backwards way of thinking to require conformity...

Basketball is a team sport, you must have a group mind.  The Pippen Blazers were a perfect example of a group of all-stars who couldn't get it done because there was no "team" mentality.  Both MJ and Kobe failed with thier "non conformist" attitude.  Non-comformity simpley does not apply to team basketball, that attitude can have the big stage on the And-1 Tour.

if Bynum wanted to see his own doctors for HIS KNEE, that's his right.

Certain sub-segments of markets/diciplines are ahead of others.  For example, game consoles like XBox 360 and Playstation 3 have micro-chips that are way ahead of commercial PC micro-chips, game console chips are the foundation for supercomputers, they are years away from making their way to a PC that one of us would own.  Same can be said of sports medicine.  I would be all over Bynums arse if he's not seeing the best in the Sports-Medicine biz, he already had two setbacks because the doctors he chose wanted to take the wait and see approach that obviously did not work, he eventually had to have his need scoped.  So far Bynums choice in doctors sucks arse.

Also, Phil Jackson doesn't run or own the lakers, the buss familiy does, regardless of which on phil jackson is sleeping with and bynum seemed to be motivated by one of the buss family and is still pretty young....i think there's more to this than bynums 'conforming' to what phil wants.

Bymun can lick the boots of anybody in the Lakers FO but that will NOT make him a better basketball player.  Doing what a FUTURE HALL OF FAME COACH who has more championship rings than Bynum has had years in the league will make him a better player.  Let the FO deal with the buisness of basketball and let PJ coach, seems pretty simple to me.  To allow the FO to do or SAY anything in regards to Bynum as a player is stupid.  Just sign his friggin paycheck and STFU.

[JoMal]

I hadn't heard this story, of course I'm not following the media as closely these days in the off season. 

Ziggy, where is that article from?  It sounds like it's written more for "Entertainment Tonight" type tabloid journalism, rather than a factual, legit story. 

Anyway, as horrible as Kwame is on offense, he is a very good one on one defender.  If he's an insurance policy who is seated waaay at the end of the bench AND the Lakers can pay him the minimum, I think it's a fine move.  He can certainly contribute more the Mihm at this point. 

That said, I won't believe this story until it's reported on the AP wire. 

It is kind of mute (the proper word is mute and not moot, is it not Jomal?) at this point, but I found it at Hoopshype, and it was written by Roland Lazenby. July 24, 2008

You're kidding, right?

[WayOutWest]

You're kidding, right?

He is right JoldMal.  "moot" is the sound an owl makes.

[JoMal]

You're kidding, right?

He is right JoldMal.  "moot" is the sound an owl makes.

...and 'mute' is the sound a poster makes when tryiing to squeeze out an acerbic Joldmal idiom without thinking first, WhoreOutWest. 

[WayOutWest]

...and 'mute' is the sound a poster makes when tryiing to squeeze out an acerbic Joldmal idiom without thinking first, WhoreOutWest. 

I have NEVER worn a towel on my head, how dare you!  That comment just puts me in a really bad, almost burning type of, mood!

[JoMal]

...and 'mute' is the sound a poster makes when tryiing to squeeze out an acerbic Joldmal idiom without thinking first, WhoreOutWest. 

I have NEVER worn a towel on my head, how dare you!  That comment just puts me in a really bad, almost burning type of, mood!

So? Your burning type of, mood, is moot.