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MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« on: July 17, 2008, 10:21:13 PM »
Woverine, ziggy, mlb watchers,

Have the Cardinals done it again?  Yes they have.
Taken a journeyman pitcher and producing career best stats by far.

Kyle Lohse
12-2
3.33 era by far his career best.

Used to be Dave Duncan.  What is in the pitching water in St. Louis?

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 08:41:13 AM »
Why isn't it Dave Duncan any more?

And of course W/L and ERA are the two most important stats when evaluating a pitcher...

It probably has something to do with pitching in heaven

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2008, 08:50:33 AM »
I thought Dave Duncan retired/left the Redbirds.

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2008, 10:44:56 AM »
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And of course W/L and ERA are the two most important stats when evaluating a pitcher...

His peripherals are good as well (low WHIP, decent BAA).  He's having a pretty good year.

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It probably has something to do with pitching in heaven

St. Louis is a pitchers park, but not an absurd pitchers park.  It's currently ranked as the 10th best pitchers park, only 3 ahead of Citizens Bank Park.

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2008, 10:49:02 AM »
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And of course W/L and ERA are the two most important stats when evaluating a pitcher...

His peripherals are good as well (low WHIP, decent BAA).  He's having a pretty good year.

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It probably has something to do with pitching in heaven

St. Louis is a pitchers park, but not an absurd pitchers park.  It's currently ranked as the 10th best pitchers park, only 3 ahead of Citizens Bank Park.

Sorry, was meant more of a joke (a running one actually) regarding how st louis is 'baseball heaven' according to one former phillies 3rd baseman who thought a 150 million dollar contract offer didn't show 'committment' to him :)

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2008, 01:21:01 PM »
Lohse is having a great year by following the usual Duncan M.O.

Keep the ball down.

He's been hittable, to a certain extent, but he's kept the ball in the ballpark (thanks to staying low in the zone - which makes it harder to lift pitches - and having half of his games at Busch).

And he hasn't been walking people.  Only 2.2 bases on balls per nine innings.

He hasn't been as good as his record suggests, but if you keep your walks down and the ball in the park, you can afford to give up some hits ... and the hits haven't hurt him because he's consistently at the other team's knees (with his pitches).

He doesn't have the best stuff, to be sure, but his strategy is gold.
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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2008, 02:41:18 PM »
Lohse is having a great year by following the usual Duncan M.O.

Keep the ball down.


As opposed to other pitching coaches around the ML who espouse that keeping the ball up and belt high is the way to go?

What Duncan has always insisted on is zone pitching, and if you have a big, pitching-friendly park, to use it. The other thing that Duncan has done is introduced the split-finger to many of his pitchers, and to scout out the best type of pitchers that suit the park and the style to begin with. All his pitchers have to have at least three above average pitches and the guts to throw any of them at any time.
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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2008, 01:27:59 PM »
As opposed to other pitching coaches around the ML who espouse that keeping the ball up and belt high is the way to go?

No ... it's called keeping the ball low and pitching to contact rather than throwing it by a guy for the strikeout.  Duncan has always preferred sinkerballers for this reason.  He wants his pitchers to stay down in the zone and allow grounders rather than try and go for the K.  This is due, at least in part, to the fact that this style of pitching tends to keep pitch counts lower.  A power-pitcher who generates strikeouts throws a lot of pitches.  Sinkerballers do not.

Take Jason Marquis, for example.  When he came over from the Braves, he threw his four-seamer a ton.  It was his favorite pitch - well, other than that hanging curveball he loves to throw.  Duncan got him to switch to a two-seam sinker and he was more effective (at least for awhile).  He did the same thing with Carpenter.

And yes, JoMal, he does like to teach the splitter.  Great pitch, in that it dives out of the zone.  If you throw it correctly, it should hit the dirt right after crossing the plate.  Another pitch thrown low.
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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2008, 08:38:48 PM »
Doubt you guys have heard of this rookie but he is flat bringing it as an Angels reliever.
If Francisco Rodriguez bails next year for more money, and I'm sure he will, no problemo.
I like this guy better anyways.

Jose Arredondo age 24 from Dominican Republic.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29113

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 08:48:33 PM »
Well you can definitely project a guy long term after 22 innings...

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 09:04:26 PM »
You mean 24 innings spread out over 22 games?
Sure can.  He's good.

Been in Angels organization since 2002.  Pitching since 2004.
I'll put him in against the batter of your choice.

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 11:45:05 AM »
Woverine, ziggy, mlb watchers,

Have the Cardinals done it again?  Yes they have.
Taken a journeyman pitcher and producing career best stats by far.

Kyle Lohse
12-2
3.33 era by far his career best.

Used to be Dave Duncan.  What is in the pitching water in St. Louis?

Ever heard of the term LUCK?  That is all this is.  He has never before been more than a #4 starter, and that is all he will ever be.  Not to diminish Dave Duncan, because he has a proven track record, but this is 90% luck, and 10% Duncan.  I will take a bet that Lohse will revert, and become the .500 pitcher he has always been, and nobody will pay much attention nor care, and all anyone will remember is that Lohse was great when pitching for Duncan, ergo Duncan is a genius.
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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2008, 10:34:34 PM »
Jose Arredondo doing the 8th inning of a tie game the Angles went on to win against the Yankees.
He was helped a ton by ARon getting thrown out trying to swipe third.  One of those "what was he thinking" plays unless the manager ordered it.
Angels flat own the Yankees.

Arredondo now 32 appearances with an 0.95 era.  ;)

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Re: MLB Wolfie re: Kyle Lohse
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2008, 12:27:02 PM »
A.  The ANgels flat out own pretty much everyone this year
B.  THe yankees aren't that good