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Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« on: April 30, 2008, 03:03:18 PM »
How angry must the Suns be right now?

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Celtics, Hawks escape punishment for skirmish, leaving bench
Associated Press

Updated: April 29, 2008, 7:41 PM ET

WALTHAM, Mass. -- Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers remembers being in a couple of fights in his playing days, so he understands what was going through Kevin Garnett's mind when he pushed off from a referee who was trying to make peace.

"Right afterward, I felt like a dunce," Rivers said. "At the time, though, there was nothing in me that didn't feel like it was the right thing to do."

The rough-and-tumble playoff series between the Celtics and Atlanta Hawks returns to Boston for a fifth game on Wednesday night, with both teams getting good news from the league after practice on Tuesday. NBA spokesman Tim Frank said there would be no fines or suspensions for a Game 4 altercation that resulted in double technicals to each side.

"The game's emotional for everyone," Rivers said after the team's workout but before the league's decision was announced. "It's easy to say, 'Just step away.' We, as a team, have to stop putting the league in a position where they have to make a decision. That's on us; that's not on the league."

The incident in the second quarter of Atlanta's 97-92 victory on Monday night began when Garnett cleared out Zaza Pachulia with an elbow, and the Hawks forward went forehead-to-forehead with the Celtics star.

Referee Ed Rush grabbed Garnett, but he, too, got a push as Garnett struggled to break free. "The referee grabbed me," Garnett said.

"In the heat of the battle like that, you never know what's going on," said Hawks forward Marvin Williams, who also escaped discipline. "You never know who's grabbing you. I'm sure he had no intention of hurting anybody. He just plays hard. It got pretty emotional out there."

Williams and Celtics center Kendrick Perkins both admitted stepping onto the floor to see what was happening -- a no-no in the NBA, especially with commissioner David Stern in the crowd. But they were not punished under the rule designed to keep incidents from escalating into bench-clearing brawls.

"Technically, I broke the rule," Williams said. "But I had no intentions of doing anything on the court. I was just trying to see what was going on."

Said Perkins: "I didn't realize it until I watched the tape."

Hawks coach Mike Woodson said his team would have struggled to replace Williams. While the NBA-best Celtics have a deep bench, Atlanta has a more precipitous drop-off once Woodson gets out of his regular rotation.

"I don't want to lose anybody," the coach said. "I can't combat their team because they are a lot deeper than our team. I want to go to war with all my guys."

The Celtics cruised to the best record in the NBA in the regular season, earning home-court advantage against the Hawks and everyone else. They won the first two games and seemed ready to sweep the best-of-seven series.

But the Hawks held serve at home to tie the series two games apiece and guarantee themselves another home game.

"The biggest thing is guys are just playing, playing freely," Williams said. "No one expected us to win any games. But we came to Atlanta and got two games. Hopefully we can get one in Boston."

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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 03:13:05 PM »
Yeah, isn't that interesting?  The rule is VERY subjective, isn't it?  When it gives the Spurs a clear path to the NBA Finals, it's black and white but when another team is involved, it's a different story.  Pathetic, huh?  Garnett pushes the ref and STILL nothing happens.  So much for the league being consistent.  Collusion, it is!

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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 03:22:30 PM »
Yeah, isn't that interesting?  The rule is VERY subjective, isn't it?  When it gives the Spurs a clear path to the NBA Finals, it's black and white but when another team is involved, it's a different story.  Pathetic, huh?  Garnett pushes the ref and STILL nothing happens.  So much for the league being consistent.  Collusion, it is!

Maybe the proper spin is that the rule is black and white until it looks like it will impact Stern's dream matchup of the Lakers-Celtics.


But then that would mess with your entire anti-Spur rhetoric, wouldn't it?
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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2008, 03:26:47 PM »
Yeah, isn't that interesting?  The rule is VERY subjective, isn't it?  When it gives the Spurs a clear path to the NBA Finals, it's black and white but when another team is involved, it's a different story.  Pathetic, huh?  Garnett pushes the ref and STILL nothing happens.  So much for the league being consistent.  Collusion, it is!

Maybe the proper spin is that the rule is black and white until it looks like it will impact Stern's dream matchup of the Lakers-Celtics.


But then that would mess with your entire anti-Spur rhetoric, wouldn't it?

Hmm, he gave the Spurs the Western Conference Finals last year -- add that to the improbable ping pong ball and it makes you begin to wonder how much SA is paying Stern each year.  I wonder just what is in the Christmas card the Spurs send him every year.  Of course, we all knew it when TD wasn't held to the same level when he stepped out on the court last year, huh?

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Maybe the proper spin is that the rule is black and white until it looks like it will impact Stern's dream matchup of the Lakers-Celtics.

Is this your prespin rhetoric for when the Spurs lose this year to the Lakers (assuming the Spurs get that far) this year?

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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 03:30:13 PM »
Maybe the proper spin is that the rule is black and white until it looks like it will impact Stern's dream matchup of the Lakers-Celtics.

Is this your prespin rhetoric for when the Spurs lose this year to the Lakers (assuming the Spurs get that far) this year?

I was just posting about this type of Fanhome post in the other thread.  Great stuff Randy.  Who is making assumptions?  Don't the Lakers have another series? 
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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2008, 03:33:20 PM »
Maybe the proper spin is that the rule is black and white until it looks like it will impact Stern's dream matchup of the Lakers-Celtics.


But then that would mess with your entire anti-Spur rhetoric, wouldn't it?
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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 03:33:59 PM »
Yeah, isn't that interesting?  The rule is VERY subjective, isn't it?  When it gives the Spurs a clear path to the NBA Finals, it's black and white but when another team is involved, it's a different story.  Pathetic, huh?  Garnett pushes the ref and STILL nothing happens.  So much for the league being consistent.  Collusion, it is!

Maybe the proper spin is that the rule is black and white until it looks like it will impact Stern's dream matchup of the Lakers-Celtics.


But then that would mess with your entire anti-Spur rhetoric, wouldn't it?

Hmm, he gave the Spurs the Western Conference Finals last year -- add that to the improbable ping pong ball and it makes you begin to wonder how much SA is paying Stern each year.  I wonder just what is in the Christmas card the Spurs send him every year.  Of course, we all knew it when TD wasn't held to the same level when he stepped out on the court last year, huh?


I have seen 10 year olds grasp this concept better than you.  Or am I overstating your age?
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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2008, 03:36:00 PM »
How angry must the Suns be right now?


"In the heat of the battle like that, you never know what's going on," said Hawks forward Marvin Williams, who also escaped discipline. "You never know who's grabbing you. I'm sure he had no intention of hurting anybody. He just plays hard. It got pretty emotional out there."

Hawks coach Mike Woodson said his team would have struggled to replace Williams. While the NBA-best Celtics have a deep bench, Atlanta has a more precipitous drop-off once Woodson gets out of his regular rotation.
Nice self ownage.

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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2008, 03:45:50 PM »
How angry must the Suns be right now?


"In the heat of the battle like that, you never know what's going on," said Hawks forward Marvin Williams, who also escaped discipline. "You never know who's grabbing you. I'm sure he had no intention of hurting anybody. He just plays hard. It got pretty emotional out there."

Hawks coach Mike Woodson said his team would have struggled to replace Williams. While the NBA-best Celtics have a deep bench, Atlanta has a more precipitous drop-off once Woodson gets out of his regular rotation.
Nice self ownage.

Reality...you do realize that those weren't WOW's words, don't you?
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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2008, 04:01:00 PM »
How angry must the Suns be right now?


"In the heat of the battle like that, you never know what's going on," said Hawks forward Marvin Williams, who also escaped discipline. "You never know who's grabbing you. I'm sure he had no intention of hurting anybody. He just plays hard. It got pretty emotional out there."

Hawks coach Mike Woodson said his team would have struggled to replace Williams. While the NBA-best Celtics have a deep bench, Atlanta has a more precipitous drop-off once Woodson gets out of his regular rotation.
Nice self ownage.

Reality...you do realize that those weren't WOW's words, don't you?

lol.

OK, let Garnett sit himself in the game if he feels so bad, it still won't matter because they will still get by the hawks..

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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2008, 04:02:17 PM »
Reality...you do realize that those weren't WOW's words, don't you?
Yes.  He's trying to propulgate the Celts were given some huge break when it appears Atlanta is benefitting more from the no suspensions.

But i still like your post that it's probably Sterny wanting to ensure a Lakers-Celts ratings bonanza matchup. ;D

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2008, 04:07:55 PM »
Reality...you do realize that those weren't WOW's words, don't you?
Yes.  He's trying to propulgate the Celts were given some huge break when it appears Atlanta is benefitting more from the no suspensions.

But i still like your post that it's probably Sterny wanting to ensure a Lakers-Celts ratings bonanza matchup. ;D

Tard logic on display here.  Yea Atlanta is really getting the shorter end of the stick when the only player on the Celtics to really play great has been Kevin Garnett....

And since we are on the topic of Tard Logic.  If Stern did this to ensure a Lakers-Celts ratings bonanza...why did he suspend Amare and Diaw last year?  Cuz he wanted to ensure a Spurs/Cavs finals?
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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2008, 04:36:55 PM »

And since we are on the topic of Tard Logic.  If Stern did this to ensure a Lakers-Celts ratings bonanza...why did he suspend Amare and Diaw last year?  Cuz he wanted to ensure a Spurs/Cavs finals?

Don't go dense on me koast.

NO.  Last year he followed the letter of the law and Suns were suspended.  This year he found a reason to not suspend the best player on the Celtics.  Do you think last year he enforced the rule strictly because he favored the Spurs?  Or do you think this year he reassessed the rule to fit not having to suspend Garnett? 

Favoring the Spurs vs favoring the Celtics?  Even dense Laker fans should be able to see that one...
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2008, 04:40:44 PM »

And since we are on the topic of Tard Logic.  If Stern did this to ensure a Lakers-Celts ratings bonanza...why did he suspend Amare and Diaw last year?  Cuz he wanted to ensure a Spurs/Cavs finals?

Don't go dense on me koast.

NO.  Last year he followed the letter of the law and Suns were suspended.  This year he found a reason to not suspend the best player on the Celtics.  Do you think last year he enforced the rule strictly because he favored the Spurs?  Or do you think this year he reassessed the rule to fit not having to suspend Garnett? 

Favoring the Spurs vs favoring the Celtics?  Even dense Laker fans should be able to see that one...

Lurker I was hoping you were not going dense on me.  I think you might be.  The reason I bring it up is to point out the flawed 'tard logic' on Reality's part.  If it's in the Spurs benefit it gets ignored but it if is for another team it's the evil dictator Sternfish pulling strings.  By Reality's own 'tard logic' Sternfish enforced the rule last year so the Spurs could get to the finals and did not enforce it this year so the Celtics can get to the finals.
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Re: Collusion 2007 confirmed. No penalties for Celtics and Hawks
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2008, 04:54:26 PM »
NO.  Last year he followed the letter of the law and Suns were suspended.  This year he found a reason to not suspend the best player on the Celtics.  Do you think last year he enforced the rule strictly because he favored the Spurs?  Or do you think this year he reassessed the rule to fit not having to suspend Garnett? 

BOTH!  ;)  With the tremendous outCRY from every corner of the b-ball world, with the exception of SA, I would have NEVER expected the league to do a 180 on this rule considering the impact it had on a series last year.  The NBA is in a real dilema, they either admit last year was a mistake or that this year is a mistake.  The third option is that the NBA admit is changes the rules at their whim. 

Seriously, you can NOT have it both ways and if I were to choose which scenario is more reasonable I would say last years response was correct because it leaves NO room for interpretation.  This year they are trying to interperate the players intent when walking onto the court, that simply does not work.
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