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Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« on: April 21, 2008, 10:52:11 AM »
So did you guys feel the big quake last week?  Looks like Columbia is right in the middle of the quake zone.

Not many quakes in the mid-west, but this reminds me of one of the most bizarre things I ever saw.  I was watching a Tigers/A's game on the local Oakland feed, back in 1981, and the game was in Detroit.  The announcers booth in old Tiger Stadium was on an overhang right behind home plate.  It was in the middle of the game, and suddenly the Oakland announcer completely lost it, and on air said "Holy shit what the hell is going on!!!  We are having a god damn earthquake!!!"  He started babbling on and on about the earthquake for a good 3-4 minutes.  He then had to finish announcing the game, and he was totally shaken, completely distracted, and could hardly focus.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080418/sc_livescience/scientistsevenbiggerquakecouldhitmidwest
 Scientists: Even Bigger Quake Could Hit Midwest

Robin Lloyd
LiveScience Senior Editor
LiveScience.com Fri Apr 18, 4:32 PM ET

The magnitude 5.2 earthquake that rocked the Midwest on Friday was felt from Kansas to Georgia, and aftershocks could continue for months at this strange seismic zone at the nation's center and even trigger another big quake, a geophysicist said.

The quake occurred on a northern extension of the New Madrid fault, about 6 miles north of Mt. Carmel, Ill. The New Madrid fault was responsible for devastating quakes in the Mississippi Valley in 1811 and 1812. So the Friday quake and its aftershocks likely are raising the blood pressure of some residents and scientists.

For decades, scientists have debated whether and when the underlying fault could generate another temblor of similar and deadly strength.

"I think we saw a window to this possibility today in the Wabash Valley," said geophysicist Allessandro Forte of the Universite du Quebec ? Montreal, who has studied the region's seismicity. "It's to the north of the New Madrid seismic zone, but given the strength of crust, the stress can be distributed great distances. It's not clear if we could see something in the next few years or even next few months, I would say."

The last earthquake in the region to approach the severity of Friday's temblor was a 5.0 magnitude quake that shook a nearby area in 2002, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

An event actually surpassing today's magnitude last occurred in 1968, a magnitude 5.3 quake that was felt in 23 states, said Forte. The magnitude scale is logarithmic so a change of 0.1 or 0.2 makes a big difference in terms of energy output. The 1968 event was felt in Ontario and Boston.

"The $64,000 question is what this earthquake portends for the future," Forte said. "The answer is I'm afraid it can go either way."

Stress relief or hair trigger?

One scenario predicts that some stress is relieved on the local faults where this earthquake occurred and will cool things down for a few decades. The other scenario is not so happy.

"There is the possibility, and we can only see over next few months what will happen, that the redistribution of stress on neighboring faults might trigger further earthquakes, and we can only guess as to whether they'll be equally large as today's earthquake," Forte said.

Aftershocks from the Friday quake will continue for several weeks, maybe months, he said. Already, there have been many, of magnitudes in the range of 2 and 3, radiating outward from the epicenter.

"If we are seeing a propagation outward of stress changes after today's 5.2, which was a big one, and those stress changes finally come up on a fault which is on a hair trigger and ready to go, those small changes are sufficient to generate another big one on a fault which is locked and ready to go," Forte said.

How much risk?

Recent estimates have downgraded the risk of a large earthquake on the New Madrid fault.

In the 1980s, scientists said there was a 90 percent chance of a magnitude 6 or 7 temblor occurring in this area within the next 50 years.

A 2007 USGS fact sheet, however, said there is only a 25 percent to 40 percent chance of a magnitude 6 or larger there in the next 50 years.

However, a team that includes Michael Ellis of the University of Memphis estimated in 2005 that the odds of another 8.0 event in the region within 50 years are between 7 and 10 percent.

These debates about the New Madrid fault are far from resolved, Forte said, with some saying the accumulated stress in area faults is weakening while others say it is not going to dissipate any time soon. "This is not exactly a well-defined science as yet," he said.
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Forte is part of the latter camp, based on his research on an ancient, giant slab of Earth called the Farallon slab that started its descent under the West Coast 70 million years ago and now is causing mayhem and deep mantle flow 360 miles beneath the Mississippi Valley, where it effectively pulls the crust down an entire kilometer (.62 miles).

"The stresses from the sinking Farallon slab are not going to disappear any time soon," he said.

So, apparently, is J. David Rogers in the latter camp. The geological engineer at Missouri University of Science and Technology says Midwestern earthquakes are potentially more powerful than California quakes.

Shakier situation

Unique geology in the Midwest increases the shaking intensity of earthquakes because seismic energy moves through the dense bedrock at very high speeds, then becomes trapped in soft sediments filling river channels and valleys, Rogers said.

Rogers and some of his graduate students have been modeling synthetic seismic events in the New Madrid region. Most of their scenarios are modeled after an 1895 earthquake with a magnitude of 6.4 that was centered in Charleston, Mo.

The preliminary results are sobering, said Rogers. Data indicates ground shaking would be magnified about 600 percent within the flood plain of the Missouri River, a development that would cause most of Missouri's existing long-span bridges to collapse.

"You don't even need a really big earthquake to do significant damage in Missouri," Rogers says. "It could happen tomorrow."

The relative quake risk of the New Madrid seismic zone is a great debate that might be driven in part by competition for grant money, Forte said. Those scientists who work on West Coast quakes have an incentive to claim that the research money should be spent on that region, while the central continent-focused researchers obviously are more invested in funds coming their way.
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 11:59:10 AM »
You know what's funny?  I slept right through the whole thing.  I woke up around 11:00 CDT, and I see all of this stuff about an earthquake that hit Missouri (among several other areas, of course).  And I'm asking myself, "What earthquake!?!"

Haha.  Apparently it wasn't strong enough to wake me from a dead sleep.
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 02:19:58 PM »
I felt the aftershock at work around 1 pm that day and it happened so fast that I thought it was just a big truck rumbling through.  2 of my co-workers were going nuts and I finally realized what had just happened.
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2008, 02:22:12 PM »
Did you run around in a circle with your hands waiving in the air in panic???    ;)
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 03:35:35 PM »
Please X3, Skandery is not a skittish child.  He calmly began looting while everyone else panicked. 
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2008, 03:41:47 PM »
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He calmly began looting while everyone else panicked. 


DAMMIT!!  I knew I forgot someth--umm, I mean---tchyeeeaah, I gaffled some awesome binder clips.  Those poor saps.  ;)
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2008, 03:50:40 PM »
You know what's funny?  I slept right through the whole thing.  I woke up around 11:00 CDT, and I see all of this stuff about an earthquake that hit Missouri (among several other areas, of course).  And I'm asking myself, "What earthquake!?!"

Haha.  Apparently it wasn't strong enough to wake me from a dead sleep.

Over the past two decades i've lived in Southern California I've slept through about 95% of all the earthquakes that have happened.  A stupid text message on my cell phone will wake me up no matter how tired I am but the entire earth moving doesn't, go figure.
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2008, 05:10:39 PM »
Shakier situation

Unique geology in the Midwest increases the shaking intensity of earthquakes because seismic energy moves through the dense bedrock at very high speeds, then becomes trapped in soft sediments filling river channels and valleys, Rogers said.

Rogers and some of his graduate students have been modeling synthetic seismic events in the New Madrid region. Most of their scenarios are modeled after an 1895 earthquake with a magnitude of 6.4 that was centered in Charleston, Mo.

The preliminary results are sobering, said Rogers. Data indicates ground shaking would be magnified about 600 percent within the flood plain of the Missouri River, a development that would cause most of Missouri's existing long-span bridges to collapse.

"You don't even need a really big earthquake to do significant damage in Missouri," Rogers says. "It could happen tomorrow."

When I read this it reminded me of one of my cross country treks going back and forth to college.  I was driving back to Oregon with my mom.  Now have patience this will take a little time to set the whole thing up, and then it will make sense.
We started the day in Rock Island, Illinois at 6:00 am.  I drove the first 2 hours from Rock Island to Des Moines, where we had breakfast.  One of the things about Des Moines is I-35 merges into I-80 just east of Des Moines, and then on the east side of Des Moines, I-80 exits off of I-35.  Well after breakfast I went to sleep immediately, and mom started driving and she missed the I-80 exit off of I-35.  So I am sleeping away, and I wake up a couple hours later.  I am looking out the window see an I-35 sign and think uh oh, and then I see a sign that says "Welcome to Missouri".  My mother quite proudly declares, "well I got us to Missouri", at which point I tell her "we aren't supposed to be in Missouri".  My mother then proceeds to take my 1978 Chevy Monza Towne Coupe packed to the gills, four wheeling through the median, throwing dirt and mud every which way.  We figure out where everything went sideways, and get to traveling westbound in rural Iowa, behind someone pulling a camp trailer.  The next thing we know the trailer starts fish tailing, and I begin to slow way down when the camp trailer breaks loose, and begins tumbling down the highway, tearing itself completely apart, the insides of which are littered all across rural Iowa.  At that point we figure things can't get much worse, when I turn on the radio, and we hear one of those Emergency Broadcast warnings, and there are tornado's setting down in east Potowanamy county in Iowa, which is basically where we would have been if not for my mother's sojourn to Missouri.  We figure at that point that God was looking out for us, sent us to Missouri for our own good, and the camp trailer was just to make sure we didn't think it was just dumb luck.  So now to tie the entire story together.  Once we get to the Iowa/Nebraska border we are going to cross the aforementioned Missouri river, on a span bridge, as the storm from the northeast crosses to the southwest right where are.  The wind is blowing about 70 MPH, raining like the great flood, and the bridge we have to cross the Missouri is a long span.  I will do my best not exaggerate, but I swear that bridge was swinging a good 10-12 feet side to side, I have never seen anything like it.  Our choice is cross a bridge you are not sure is going to hold, or wait for a tornado to come roaring from the northeast.  Needless to say I went over the bridge, and proceeded onto Omaha, where I went directly to the bathroom.  So from my experience it isn't going to take an earthquake to cause the long span brides over the Missouri to collapse, a good hard windstorm would do the trick.
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2008, 06:38:55 PM »
I felt the aftershock at work around 1 pm that day and it happened so fast that I thought it was just a big truck rumbling through.  2 of my co-workers were going nuts and I finally realized what had just happened.

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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2008, 06:42:48 PM »
The preliminary results are sobering, said Rogers. Data indicates ground shaking would be magnified about 600 percent within the flood plain of the Missouri River, a development that would cause most of Missouri's existing long-span bridges to collapse.

"You don't even need a really big earthquake to do significant damage in Missouri," Rogers says. "It could happen tomorrow."

The relative quake risk of the New Madrid seismic zone is a great debate that might be driven in part by competition for grant money, Forte said. Those scientists who work on West Coast quakes have an incentive to claim that the research money should be spent on that region, while the central continent-focused researchers obviously are more invested in funds coming their way.

It would be funny if a quake such as the New Madrid were to hit the Mississippi River again. Many of those exising long-span bridges that don't collapse may end up spanning over where the Mississippi USED to flow. The Madrid quake changed the course of the Mississippi in several places. 
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2008, 12:28:16 PM »
5.2?  Next time lets make a big deal and start at thread about the Clippers being on a one game winning streak.  Pendejos!
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Re: Midwestern earthquake - Joe, Caleb, Skandery
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 02:17:28 PM »
I'm not so sure it was an earthquake.  It might have just been the cough I currently have.

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