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Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« on: April 14, 2008, 12:10:55 PM »
So if the US did in fact have a 2% GDP growth in the first 1/4 of 2008, and the US had positive growth in the 4th qtr of 2007, it looks exceedingly unlikely that we will fall into recession.  If we are not going to fall into recession then 2% interest rates, which are below the rate of inflation make no sense, all they do is drive inflation.  Further rates cuts would be increasingly counterproductive, as they would further weaken the $, drive commodities higher, and cause a significant shift in recourse allocation, such as diverting food to energy, to mitigate higher fuel cost, caused by a weak $ policy, which causes oil to increase in cost, outside simply supply and demand constraints.


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Data Watch

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Retail sales increased 0.2% in March
Brian S. Wesbury - Chief Economist
Robert Stein, CFA - Senior Economist
Date: 4/14/2008


Retail sales increased 0.2% in March while retail sales excluding autos rose 0.1%. The consensus had expected overall sales to be unchanged and sales ex-autos to rise 0.1%. Sales in February were revised up slightly. 
 
The strongest gains in sales were for non-store retailers (internet and mail-orders) and at gas stations (due to higher prices at the pump). The largest declines in sales were for building materials and at general merchandise stores (department stores).   
 
Sales excluding autos, building materials, and gas were up 0.2% in March and are up 2.3% versus a year ago.
 
Implications:  Retail sales were better than the consensus expected in March, undermining the widespread belief (not shared here) that the US economy is in a recession. Core retail sales (excluding autos, building materials, and gas) were up at an annual rate of 0.9% in the first quarter compared to the fourth quarter of 2007. This is sluggish but not consistent with a consumer-led recession. It is important to focus on core sales because government statisticians use a different data source for auto sales, while building materials are considered housing investment (not consumption), and gas sales are usually driven by inflation. Although overall retail sales are up only 2% versus a year ago, much of this apparent weakness is related to a surge in sales that occurred in March 2007, making the year-to-year comparisons look artificially weak this month.   In other news this morning, business inventories were up 0.6% in February, as the consensus expected.  Inventories were also revised up for January. These data support our view that real GDP expanded at about a 2% annual rate in the first quarter.

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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 12:12:16 PM »
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Monday Morning Outlook

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More Inflation: On Its Way
Brian S. Wesbury - Chief Economist
Robert Stein, CFA - Senior Economist
Date: 4/14/2008


We can?t explain it, but the bond market somehow ignored Friday?s absolutely ugly data on import and export price inflation. With even more unpleasant reports due this week (for producer and consumer prices), we will see if the market can still keep its eyes closed tight.
 
Import prices increased 2.8% in March and are up 14.8% versus a year ago, the largest gain on record (data goes back to 1983). The jump in import prices is largely due to oil, which is up 60% versus a year ago. However, even after excluding oil, import prices were up 1.1% in March, the most on record, and are up 5.4% versus last year, the most since the late 1980s.
 
Our analysis shows import prices (ex-oil) tend to lead consumer prices (ex-energy) by about a year, meaning the underlying trend in consumer price inflation will continue to rise through at least mid-2009.
 
To make matters worse, inflation expectations are starting to become unhinged. Friday?s University of Michigan consumer sentiment survey found that consumers expect inflation to be 4.8% in the next year ? one of the highest inflation expectations on record since 1982. One reason this is significant is that Fed officials have repeatedly said inflation expectations remain contained. In fact, they argue that low expectations give them room to maintain a more accommodative policy. With expectations rising so sharply, the Fed?s argument will now be tested.
 
Recent news stories show inflation is not just a domestic issue. Commodities (such as food, energy, metals) are acutely sensitive to monetary policy and commodity?based economies are suffering high inflation.
 
In the past year, consumer prices are up 12.7% in Russia, 8.7% in China, and 19.4% in Vietnam. The city-state of Singapore, where consumer inflation averaged 2% per year for 25 years, now has 6.5% inflation, the highest since the early 1980s. Some of these countries have begun to institute ?price controls,? a very dangerous development.
 
Although foreign central banks should be held accountable for their own mistakes, the Fed?s looseness has made their jobs tougher. The Fed is not just the central bank for the US, it is the central bank for the ?dollar world,? which is everywhere that uses dollars or has a currency linked to the dollar (either directly, via a peg, or indirectly, because the foreign central bank uses exchange rates to guide local monetary policy).
 
If the US were the only country in the world then a loose Fed would quickly lead to higher inflation in the US.  But with globalization, the production process is more diversified than it used to be, with more commodity-related production overseas.  So when the Fed is too loose, inflation rises in the ?dollar-world periphery? before heading home. The US bond market won?t be able to ignore this forever.
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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 10:33:40 AM »
Data Watch

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The Producer Price Index (PPI) increased 1.1% in March
Brian S. Wesbury - Chief Economist
Robert Stein, CFA - Senior Economist
Date: 4/15/2008


The Producer Price Index (PPI) increased 1.1% in March versus a consensus expected rise of 0.6%. The PPI is up 6.9% in the past twelve months (seasonally adjusted).

The increase in the PPI was concentrated in energy and food. Energy prices increased 2.9% in March and are up 20.4% versus last year. Food prices increased 1.2% in March and are up 5.6% versus a year ago. The ?core? PPI, which excludes food and energy, was up 0.2% in March and is up 2.8% versus last year (seasonally adjusted).
 
Consumer goods prices increased 1.3% in March and are up 8.3% versus a year ago. Capital equipment prices increased 0.1% in March ? a lull after unusually large increases in January and February ? and are up 2.0% in the past year.
 
Intermediate goods prices rose 2.3% in March and are up 10.6% versus last year. Crude prices increased 8.0% in March and are up 31.3% versus a year ago.
 
Implications:  Inflation is an important economic problem and the current stance of monetary policy is going to make it worse. In the past six months, producer prices are up at a 10.8% annual rate, the fastest increase since 1981. Even the core PPI is up at a 3.6% rate in the past six months.  Given energy price increases so far in April (particularly oil and natural gas) the upward drift of inflation is not going to stop anytime soon. In other news this morning, the Empire State Index, a measure of manufacturing in New York, was substantially stronger than expected, rising to +0.6 in April versus -22.2 in March (and a smaller consensus expected improvement to -17.0).  The shipments and new orders components of the index both jumped into positive territory, signaling expansion. Meanwhile, the prices paid component of the index hit 57.3, the highest level in more then two years. Also in the news, the International Council of Shopping Centers reported that so far in April chain-store sales are up 4.1% versus last year (on a same-store sales basis).
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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2008, 09:27:23 AM »
Maybe not across the country but here in California everyone is feeling the pinch.  Technically it's not a recession till everyone is hit but things don't look so great out here.   Homes are being foreclosed on at a high rate, people I know are getting laid off it seems like every other week, and small businesses are hurting real bad because no one is spending money.  That 600 dollar rebate ended up going to gas (which is at 3.80 a gallon here) and bills for a lot of people out here.  So much for that "booster".
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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2008, 09:50:32 AM »
Gas is so high here but the real kicker is because of corn ethanol, everything is much higher.  Everything has really jumped this year -- home owners insurance, meat, eggs, cereal, bread -- in addition to higher gas costs. 

The really stupid thing is that this corn ethanol is such a STUPID answer to the oil crises.  First, it doesn't help the environment any -- while it burns a little cleaner, the environmental cost to get it into your tank is probably higher than fossil fuels; Second, it uses a TON of water (two parts water to one part everything else) and water is turning into a precious commodity these days.  If we start using this much water to produce fuel, we are going to start emptying our natural underground aquafers and that spells all kinds of trouble; Third, because politicians have chosen this as a "answer to our dependence on oil" -- it distracts us from finding real long term answers to energy problem (wind, solar, hydrogen, etc.).

It's not just republicans vs. democrats -- they are all a bunch of idiots when it comes to real energy answers.

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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2008, 02:52:12 PM »
Maybe not across the country but here in California everyone is feeling the pinch.  Technically it's not a recession till everyone is hit but things don't look so great out here.   Homes are being foreclosed on at a high rate, people I know are getting laid off it seems like every other week, and small businesses are hurting real bad because no one is spending money.  That 600 dollar rebate ended up going to gas (which is at 3.80 a gallon here) and bills for a lot of people out here.  So much for that "booster".

My whole point is the Fed has overdone it, and the economy is not as bad as the rate cuts would have you believe.  The issue that is affecting people most is inflation, and the long term expectations of inflation will do more harm to the economy than the rate cuts will add.  Lack of growth is a much much smaller problem than endemic and excessive inflation.



Gas is so high here but the real kicker is because of corn ethanol, everything is much higher.  Everything has really jumped this year -- home owners insurance, meat, eggs, cereal, bread -- in addition to higher gas costs.

The really stupid thing is that this corn ethanol is such a STUPID answer to the oil crises.  First, it doesn't help the environment any -- while it burns a little cleaner, the environmental cost to get it into your tank is probably higher than fossil fuels; Second, it uses a TON of water (two parts water to one part everything else) and water is turning into a precious commodity these days.  If we start using this much water to produce fuel, we are going to start emptying our natural underground aquafers and that spells all kinds of trouble; Third, because politicians have chosen this as a "answer to our dependence on oil" -- it distracts us from finding real long term answers to energy problem (wind, solar, hydrogen, etc.).

It's not just republicans vs. democrats -- they are all a bunch of idiots when it comes to real energy answers.

I agree Randy, and the crux of the problem is not one of supply issues with oil, or dramatic increases in demand for oil.  The problem with oil is inflationary monetary policy, which is driving commodities higher, which is forcing people to look for alternatives, which is converting food to energy in a highly inefficient way, which is causing food prices to skyrocket.  The oil price we have today is actually a monetary supply problem, which has caused excessive inflation.  Once the Fed gets serious about raising rates and addressing the fundamental money supply the price of oil will fall.
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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2008, 03:55:48 PM »
Unfortunately, zig, I don't think the Fed will EVER make that choice.  The Fed has bought into politics and is being driven by public demand.  The public want their money and they want it NOW -- they aren't willing to suffer higher interest rates in order to bring back stability.  It's going to take someone with some real cazones to state:  we are raising interest rates and are going through a recession to bring back value to the dollar. 

We have taught people in our country to live on credit -- which has brought up a whole generation that is one paycheck away from bankruptcy.  And what do we have to show for it -- people taking out stupid loans (just because they are offered to them) so they can buy more stuff than they need and can afford.  And then, because we are teaching everyone that nobody is responsible for their own actions, they expect somebody to bail them out.  I watched an interview with a couple that is filing for bankruptcy and losing their home because THEY took out a loan -- a really stupid loan with horrible interest rates (after the initial first 5 years).  Personally, I think that these kind of loan programs should be against the law but nobody forced them to agree to the terms -- they just did it thinking they would be able to afford it in 5 years!  Duh!  And now they are ANGRY with the government for not bailing them out.  Their words "we are going to have paid all that money and have nothing but a bankruptcy to show for it." 

Why are we bailing out stupid people who took out stupid loans?  I really don't have a clue.  At some point, we are going to have to allow people to experience the natural consequences of their actions -- but the Fed keeps trying to manipulate our economy in order to keep the entire economy from experiencing the natural consequences.  At some point, it is REALLY going to come back to bite you.  It's better to go through it in a smaller way than to wait until things turn into a disaster.

Also, at some point, the people of this country are going to have to begin to INSIST that the country begins to address the issues and not simply throw some new paint on the issues just to mask over the problems and make them look better so the politicians look better.  But it's going to mean that people are willing to go through a tough period financially and I don't think the majority of people in the US really want that.  Somehow, they believe they are entitled to a high standard of living whether they work for it or not.  Unfortunately, that is also one of the problems -- people expect to be rewarded when they don't deserve the reward. 

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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2008, 11:44:24 AM »
You don't understand the problem.  It is not just the loans on the homes.  It was and still is a problem in the side deals between banks, the derivative contracts- credit default swaps, interest rate swaps and the like are the problem.

The problem is that all of the large financial institutions around the world are up to their eyeballs in these contracts, and the potential for default is enormous.  One institution thinks it has hedged it's position adequately, but if the party they rely on to pay them under certain circumstances defaults, then they are not adequately hedged and may fail themselves.  Then, the derivatives they sold will also be in default and another company would find themselves in danger.

The dependency between these firms and their ability to pay is the problem.  They are now afraid to deal with each other in case the other is actually insolvent.  Bear Stearns got into a situation where they had to be bailed out and sold, because if they were allowed to fail, THE WORLD's FINANCIAL SYSTEM WOULD HAVE COLLAPSED!!!!

The Fed stepped in and paid JPM to take over Bear Sterns, ho hum, nothing unusual here! Don't you understand how close we are to a meltdown?  Do you expect the Fed to foster the takeover of every institution tittering on the brink?  That is where the inflation is coming from, all the money the Fed is lending out to take the place of the banks that are too strapped or too scared to lend.

Inflation is only going to get worse, because the Fed is bailing everyone out and the government keeps trying to find ways to help homeowners.

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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2008, 09:30:35 AM »
Rick...

relax.  grow older.  mature.

I have seen Black Monday in 1987.

I have seen a technology bubble fueled & popped by Y2K.

I have seen the devaluation of various currencies.

I have seen the collapse of Japan's markets.

I have seen the collapse of Enron.

Now a housing/credit crisis.

At each point in time there is talk of how this or that will bring down the whole system.  Enron was to bring down the entire energy system but now utilities are some of the best bets in the current market.  And amazingly the system just keeps creaking along.  And through it all wise investors with diversified accounts seem to come out ahead.  Those that chase the latest fad or trend go on & on about the killing they made then disappear when the sky-high item they were banking on collapses. 

It is something I tried to say earlier among all the doom & gloom...there are pearls to be found.  There ar eareas to invest your money and make decent returns.  In the long run it is better to hit several singles than constantly swinging for the fence.
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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2008, 11:04:08 AM »
Data Watch

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1st Quarter GDP (Advance) To view this article, Click Here
Brian S. Wesbury - Chief Economist
Robert Stein, CFA - Senior Economist
Date: 4/30/2008


The first estimate for Q1 real GDP growth is 0.6% at an annual rate versus a consensus expected 0.5%. Real GDP is up 2.5% versus a year ago.
 
The strongest components of real GDP were inventories and consumption. Inventories added 0.8 points to the real GDP growth rate. Consumption added 0.7 points to the growth rate, all due to strong growth in services.
 
The largest drag on real GDP continues to be home building, which subtracted 1.2 points from the real GDP growth rate. Excluding housing, real GDP grew at a 1.8% rate in Q1 and is up 3.6% versus last year.
 
The GDP price index rose at a 2.6% annual rate in Q1 and is up 2.2% versus last year.  Nominal GDP ? real GDP plus inflation ? grew at a 3.2% rate in Q1 and is up 4.7% versus a year ago.
 
Implications:  The initial estimate of 0.6% real GDP growth in the first quarter is slightly better than the consensus expected. More importantly, we expect this estimate to be revised upward in the next couple of months as the government appears to have made cautious assumptions about inventories and exports in March, where they have to make guesses because of a lack of data at this point in the quarter.  Home building continues to be a drag on growth but will be less of a drag for the rest of 2008 as the sector is a shrinking share of the economy and new home inventories are falling. Excluding housing, real GDP was up at a 1.8% rate in Q1 and is up 3.6% since last year. We continue to expect that the real GDP growth rate will average about 1% in the first half of 2008 and 4% in the second half, as the end of the Federal Reserve&rs quo;s rate cutting cycle unleashes the full force of the Fed?s loose monetary policy. Meanwhile, the inflation news remains bad. In Q1, prices were up at a 2.6% rate for GDP (what we produce) but up at a 3.5% rate for Gross Domestic Purchases (what we buy). In other news today, the ADP employment measure had private sector payrolls up 10,000 in April. At present, we expect Friday?s Labor Department report to show a payroll decline of 25,000, consistent with sluggish growth but not recession.       
 
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Re: Data doesn't support a recession yet.
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2008, 11:16:44 AM »
If the Fed gets it's act together we will see oil in the 40's again.  Our present situation is not about the oil exporting nations screwing us, or the oil companies, or demand from China.  It is all about a loose money supply.  The stock market has dropped as margins have dropped because of excessive inflation.  Short term interest rates have tanked, because the fed has cut rates.  Real estate is a terrible investment because excessive credit led to excessive prices, which lead to a bubble that has burst.  The only asset class that isn't in the doldrums because of Fed action is commodities, and prices have exploded as a direct result.  The unintended consequences of their actions have been incredibly vast and led to the credit crisis, the housing bubble, the run up in commodity prices, and higher unemployment.

D?j? Vu: The Fed's Interest Rate Dilemma
By BRIAN S. WESBURY

Despite record passenger traffic, airlines are bleeding cash and going bankrupt. Food riots have cropped up around the world, Canada is paying farmers to kill pigs because feed costs too much, and rice, it seems, is in very short supply.

While ethanol subsidies have created havoc, they don't explain everything ? like huge increases in precious metals prices, the sharp decline in the value of the dollar, or record-high fuel prices.  What's missing in most analysis is  the impact of inflationary monetary policy. Since 2001, and especially since September 2007 ? when the Fed started cutting rates in response to credit market issues ? excessively easy monetary policy has driven oil and other commodity prices through the roof.

The good news is we've been here before, and we know ? well, at least 1980s Fed Chairman Paul Volcker knows ? how to get out of this mess. Loose money in the 1960s and 1970s drove up the price of  everything. A barrel of oil, which sold for $2.92 in 1965, rose to $40 in 1980. Most people believed that rising commodity prices indicated that the world was running out of resources. The Club of Rome predicted global ruin, and then President Jimmy Carter said that "peak oil" was right around the corner.  Oklahoma-based Penn Square Bank handed out oil loans freely, and sold off pieces of its loans in packages called "participations." Seafirst Bank in Seattle and Continental Bank in Chicago were two good customers. These banks thought oil prices would remain elevated and paid a huge price for their mistake.

Today, Bear Stearns, Countrywide and subprime lending are a repeat of Penn Square, Continental and oil
loans. Bad decision making, based on a money-induced mirage, is the culprit. We are not running out of
food or natural resources; this is an entirely man-made disaster caused by the Fed opening wide the
monetary floodgates.

Money is the ultimate commodity because all prices have only money in common. And it is the only thing
that a central bank directly controls. Unfortunately, because of globalization and financial-market
innovation, money itself has become hard to measure and useless as a forecasting tool. So analysts use interest rates.  The "natural rate of interest" is the theoretical interest rate at which monetary policy does not artificially boost the economy, nor hold it back. It is also the rate at which money is neutral on
inflation. There have been many attempts at measuring this. Some economists look at real interest rates. Others use the Taylor Rule, which includes a target rate for inflation and real growth.

And while these methods are helpful, they rely on estimates. I devised a much simpler system back in 1993, based on actual economic data, that has proven extremely useful. It predicted the sharp increase in long-term interest rates in 1994; it also predicted the recession of 2001, the deflation of the early 2000s,
and the inflation of recent years.  This model shows that a neutral federal funds rate should be roughly equal to nominal GDP growth. Nominal GDP growth (real growth plus inflation) measures total spending in the economy, or to put it another way, it reflects the average growth rate for all companies in the economy.

If interest rates are pushed well below nominal GDP growth, money is too easy and it encourages leverage. If interest rates are pulled above nominal GDP, money is too tight, and average companies cannot overcome borrowing costs. Between 1960 and 1979, the federal funds rate averaged 5.6% and nominal GDP growth averaged 8.4%. With the funds rate 280 basis points below GDP growth, monetary policy was
highly accommodative. The result: a falling dollar, rising Wednesday, commodity prices and fears that
resources were being used up. In 1980, then Fed Chairman Volcker lifted the fed funds rate significantly above GDP growth and held it there long enough to end inflation. This policy instigated a steep decline in oil prices, and drove a stake through the heart of stagflation.  Oil and inflation stayed low in the 1980s and '90s, when the Fed held the fed funds rate 74 basis points above GDP growth on average.  By 1999, with oil prices still low, the Economist magazine wrote that the world was "drowning in oil."

Low inflation turned to deflation in 1999 and 2000, when the Fed mistakenly pushed the funds rate above nominal GDP growth again. This deflation spooked the Fed and led to a radical reduction in interest rates. Since then, the fed funds rate has been well below GDP growth ? an average of 210 basis points ? the most accommodative six years of monetary policy since the 1970s.

No wonder inflation is on the rise and commodity prices are setting new records.  The Fed lifted the funds rate from 1% to 5.25% between 2004 and 2006, but monetary policy was never tight because the rate never went above nominal GDP. This suggests that housing market problems were not caused by tight
money in 2006-07, but by excessive investment during the super-easy money of the years before.

Nonetheless, the Fed opened up the old playbook and cut rates aggressively when subprime loans blew up. This cemented higher inflation into place, crushed the dollar, pushed commodity prices up sharply, and created major problems in the energy, airline and agricultural marketplaces. And just like the 1970s, it is now popular to argue that the world is running out of resources again.

The answer to all of this is for the Fed to lift rates back to their natural rate, which is somewhere north of
5%. Tax-rate reductions and interest-rate hikes cured the world of its ills in the early 1980s. They can do so again.

Brian Wesbury Chief Economist for First TrustPortfolios, L.P.
Reprinted with permission of the Wall Street Journal ? 2008 Dow Jones and Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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