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NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« on: March 17, 2008, 10:18:31 AM »
The most recent addition of the power rankings now has the Sixers ranked 12th, up 3 spots from last week.  Remember I have them ranked at 10, so not too far off now.

The little blurb:  "Folks, the Sixers are for real. They beat Detroit (on the road) and San Antonio this week. And, while a win against the Bulls might not look like much at first glance, that they came back from 18 down in the fourth puts it in the "big win" category as well.

The current top 10:

Houston
Boston
Detroit
New Orleans
Lakers
Utah
Orlando
San Antonio
Phoenix
Dallas
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Golden State
Philla.

Note that 4 of the teams ahead of the Sixers lost to them recently.  Put two of those teams below Phila. and that puts them 10th. 

Vindication!  I love it.

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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2008, 10:45:25 AM »
If we are going to be patting ourselves on the back for predictions I would like to pat myself on the back for saying, while Sixer fans on here disagreed, that I think it would be better for them to try to win and make the playoffs then it would be to tank the season for a higher pick.  Looks like I was right and YOU are finally starting to agree with ME  :D
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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 10:51:15 AM »
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I would like to pat myself on the back for saying, while Sixer fans on here disagreed, that I think it would be better for them to try to win and make the playoffs then it would be to tank the season for a higher pick.

How has that been proven?

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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 11:16:54 AM »
WK is right at least in that the team is a LOT more entertaining now, then they would have been had they tanked.

In the long run, the more talent you have, the better so that's one less good draft pick the Sixers might have gotten.  It's hard to know how much help a top draft pick would be in acquiring that 4, but you have to believe they'd have been better of with a good pick in the long run.


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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 11:24:13 AM »
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I would like to pat myself on the back for saying, while Sixer fans on here disagreed, that I think it would be better for them to try to win and make the playoffs then it would be to tank the season for a higher pick.

How has that been proven?

The fact that they are beating the piss out of teams that are contenders in this league?

Adding a player doesn't mean much if the rest of the team doesn't gel, believe in themselves, and play at a high level.  Right now the Sixers are gelling, believe they can beat anyone, and are playing at a high level.  I'd argue that confidence, chemistry, and experience are more important then adding anyone from that draft that is from 5-15.  Now if they add a player its going to really help.  Before it might not have had mattered much since they didn't have the confidence to go head up with any team in the league like they have a real chance to win.
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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 12:04:56 PM »
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The fact that they are beating the piss out of teams that are contenders in this league?

And how does this help them become a championship contender?  How is that proof that it "beating the piss" out of those teams will catapult them into that stratosphere?

Because, bottom line, that's all that matters.  I'm not in this for the Sixers to get back to respectability.  I want them to build towards a championship.  While this winning streak is fun, and entertaining, and exciting, I don't think that does that.

Quick, outside of the Pistons, find me an NBA champion in the last 25 years that didn't draft an all-league caliber player in the top 5.  I'll give you a hint.  There is one.  They drafted an all-league caliber player, but it was outside of the top 5.  That is the only team.

The draft isn't a guarantee that you'll become a championship contender, but it is virtually guaranteed that without a top 5 pick, you don't have a shot.

The Bulls gelled like crazy last year.  How is it helping them this year?  How about the Bucks?  They had a 10 game improvement in 2005-2006, went 40-42, and lost in the first round.  Was that gelling a turning point that catapulted them into contender status?

Great.  We'll win 42 games this year (versus 35 last year), and get bounced in the first round.  I'm jumping for joy.  Bring on the parade!
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 12:28:18 PM »
The fact that they are beating the piss out of teams that are contenders in this league?

Adding a player doesn't mean much if the rest of the team doesn't gel, believe in themselves, and play at a high level.  Right now the Sixers are gelling, believe they can beat anyone, and are playing at a high level.  I'd argue that confidence, chemistry, and experience are more important then adding anyone from that draft that is from 5-15.  Now if they add a player its going to really help.  Before it might not have had mattered much since they didn't have the confidence to go head up with any team in the league like they have a real chance to win.

Imagine if the Sixers got the 1 pick and it turned into Kwame or Pervis?  Bird in the hand is what I'm thinking, the Sixers IMO are setting a good foundation/mentality with what they are doing now.
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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 12:40:38 PM »
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The fact that they are beating the piss out of teams that are contenders in this league?

And how does this help them become a championship contender?  How is that proof that it "beating the piss" out of those teams will catapult them into that stratosphere?

How?  Well in order to become a contender you have to prove you can compete.  Right now they are proving they can compete.  Where is the proof?  How about the fact that they continue to beat good teams? 

How would getting anyone in the draft make them a championship contender all the sudden?  If you want to spin it back into your court.  I dont see any player who would fall under their range that would do them more good then finally getting some confidence, swagger, and a winning mentality.  That is a stone cold fact that it benefits them.  Your 'maybe they could have got a decent player' is more of a stretch.

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Because, bottom line, that's all that matters.  I'm not in this for the Sixers to get back to respectability.  I want them to build towards a championship.  While this winning streak is fun, and entertaining, and exciting, I don't think that does that.

They are building towards a championship.  It's more then just getting players and I know I don't need to explain that to you.  If you think what they are doing right now is not making steps in that direction, you are wrong.  Getting young guys to gel together and learn the feeling of winning is VERY important.  You think confidence is overrated and I think you are VERY VERY wrong on that.

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Quick, outside of the Pistons, find me an NBA champion in the last 25 years that didn't draft an all-league caliber player in the top 5.  I'll give you a hint.  There is one.  They drafted an all-league caliber player, but it was outside of the top 5.  That is the only team.

The Lakers didn't draft Shaq or Kobe in the top 5.  Houston looks to be doing very well and they don't have a top 5 drafted player going into the draft either.

BTW...the Sixers never would have got the top 5 pick had they tanked the season when Rick and yourself brought it up.

Wasn't Charles Barkley at top 5 pick?  What did he do for the 76ers in terms of championships?

Now let's look at championship contenders over the last 10 years:

2 years ago when PHX was a contender they had no Amare Stoudamire and they could have won it that year.

The Pacers could have won the championship on the back of a #11 pick in Reggie Miller.



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The draft isn't a guarantee that you'll become a championship contender, but it is virtually guaranteed that without a top 5 pick, you don't have a shot.

The Lakers 3 rings at the begging of this decade disagree with you.  Shaq WAS a top 5 pick however the Lakers did not pick him.

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The Bulls gelled like crazy last year.  How is it helping them this year?  How about the Bucks?  They had a 10 game improvement in 2005-2006, went 40-42, and lost in the first round.  Was that gelling a turning point that catapulted them into contender status?

Come on...are you going to ignore them switching the roster up, injuries, losing a coach, trade rumors for key players as if those had NOTHING to do with anything?

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Great.  We'll win 42 games this year (versus 35 last year), and get bounced in the first round.  I'm jumping for joy.  Bring on the parade!

You should jump for joy because you have players who are coming into their own and learning what it takes to battle against solid teams.  If they tanked this season and never learned they had it in them to compete it doesn't matter if they picked up a Kevin Love or a Lopez brother would it?
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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 12:44:08 PM »
Quick, outside of the Pistons, find me an NBA champion in the last 25 years that didn't draft an all-league caliber player in the top 5.  I'll give you a hint.  There is one.  They drafted an all-league caliber player, but it was outside of the top 5.  That is the only team.
Who?  I want to know.
Dabods would a working example of this be lets see how Portland does next year vs Philly?

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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 12:48:09 PM »

The Lakers 3 rings at the begging of this decade disagree with you.


I believe that the Lakers had a top 5 pick on those teams...he may not have been a Laker pick but he was still a top 5 pick.  Bods didn't say that the team used one of its top 5 picks but that every champion but one had a top 5 pick.  My guess is the Sonics in 79(?).
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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 12:54:20 PM »
Kobster was picked at #13 before Charlotte colluded him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 12:57:39 PM »
Some notable picks before and after the Kobster.

1996 NBA Draft
-1st Round-
First Round Player  College
1. Philadelphia  Allen Iverson  Georgetown 
2. Toronto  Marcus Camby  Massachusetts 
3. Vancouver  Shareef Abdur-Rahim  California 
4. Milwaukee (a)  Stephon Marbury  Georgia Tech 
5. Minnesota (a)  Ray Allen  Connecticut 
6. Boston (from Dallas)  Antoine Walker  Kentucky 
7. LA Clippers  Lorenzen Wright  Memphis 
8. New Jersey  Kerry Kittles  Villanova 
9. Dallas (from Boston)  Samaki Walker  Louisvile 
10. Indiana (from Denver)  Erick Dampier  Mississippi State 
11. Golden State  Todd Fuller  North Carolina State 
12. Cleveland (from Wash.)  Vitaly Potapenko  Wright State 
13. Charlotte  Kobe Bryant  Lower Merion HS 
14. Sacramento  Predrag Stojakovic  PAOK (Greece) 
15. Phoenix  Steve Nash  Santa Clara 
16. Charlotte (from Miami)  Tony Delk  Kentucky 
17. Portland  Jermaine O'Neal  Eau Claire HS 
18. New York (from Detroit)  John Wallace  Syracuse 
19. New York (from Atlanta)  Walter McCarty  Kentucky 
20. Cleveland  Zydrunas Ilgauskas  Lithuania 
21. New York  Dontae Jones  Mississippi State 
22. Vancouver (from Houston)  Roy Rogers  Alabama 
23. Denver (from Indiana)  Efthimis Rentzias  PAOK 
24. LA Lakers  Derek Fisher  Arkansas-Little Rock 
25. Utah (b)  Martin Muursepp  BC Kalev Tallinn 
26. Detroit (from San Antonio)  Jerome Williams  Georgetown 
27. Orlando  Brian Evans  Indiana 
28. Atlanta (from Seattle)  Priest Lauderdale  Peristeri (Greece) 
29. Chicago  Travis Knight  Connecticut 


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Re: NBA power rankings. The media is starting to agree with me!
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 01:08:08 PM »

The Lakers 3 rings at the begging of this decade disagree with you.


I believe that the Lakers had a top 5 pick on those teams...he may not have been a Laker pick but he was still a top 5 pick.  Bods didn't say that the team used one of its top 5 picks but that every champion but one had a top 5 pick.  My guess is the Sonics in 79(?).

If that's the case then it doesn't apply to our debate really.  The Sixers could still trade for a top 5 pick if that's the case.

Barkley was a top 5 pick, no championship.  Allen Iverson was a top 5 pick, no championship.

Last year the Suns could have won the championship with a #9 and #11 pick.  No top 5 pick and would anyone say they have ' no shot ' ?

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 01:34:42 PM »
Kobster was picked at #13 before Charlotte colluded him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.

TBYP...Shaq was top 5.  Get your nose out of Kobe's jock and think a little.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2008, 01:38:21 PM »
Kobster was picked at #13 before Charlotte colluded him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.

TBYP...Shaq was top 5.  Get your nose out of Kobe's jock and think a little.
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Quick, outside of the Pistons, find me an NBA champion in the last 25 years that didn't draft an all-league caliber player in the top 5.  I'll give you a hint.  There is one.  They drafted an all-league caliber player, but it was outside of the top 5.  That is the only team.