Shoud the Heat trade Shaq, rebuild?

[Reality]

Even with my semi enlightenment about the salary cap and what it does and does not accomplish, i still say absolutely he (should have) and should be traded.  Even if only for salary dump and draft pics.
This is only gonna get worse. 

MIAMI -- Shaquille O'Neal will miss at least the next two weeks because of recurring pain in his left hip and leg, the latest piece of disappointing news for the reeling Miami Heat.

[Lurker]

And what team (owner) can afford to pay $20 mil a year for Shaq?  And would their draft picks be worth anything?

[Reality]

The old Cuban would have.  The new one, i dunno.
Has Isaiah finally been milked for all the Knicks were worth?

[Reality]

What is the current list of Extortionist contracts? 
ie past ones like Jalen Rose
Brian Grant
Webber (still pulling 20 mil?)
Keith Van Horn @ 15

[Lurker]

Here are the salaries over $15 mil from LAST year.  Most of these are either making the same or more this year.  And I don't see anyone on the list who's team would be willing to trade that player for Shaq and his remaining contract.

Players earning $15 million or more
  1. Kevin Garnett (Min) ......... $21,000,000
  2. Shaquille O'Neal (Mia) ...... $20,000,000
  3. Jason Kidd (NJ) ............. $18,084,000
  3. Jermaine O'Neal (Ind) ....... $18,084,000
  5. Kobe Bryant (LAL) ........... $17,718,750
  6. Tim Duncan (SA) ............. $17,429,672
  7. Allen Iverson (Den) ......... $17,184,375
  7. Stephon Marbury (NY) ........ $17,184,375
  9. Tracy McGrady (Hou) ......... $16,901,500
 10. Ben Wallace (Chi) ........... $16,000,000
 11. Vince Carter (NJ) ........... $15,101,625
 11. Antawn Jamison (Was) ........ $15,101,625
 11. Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) ......... $15,101,625
 11. Paul Pierce (Bos) ........... $15,101,625
 15. Baron Davis (GS) ............ $15,070,000
 15. Steve Francis (NY) .......... $15,070,000
 15. Shawn Marion (Pho) .......... $15,070,000

[Reality]

I guess all these bought-outs wont work.

Chrissy Webber Phil 19
Michael Finley Dallas 18.5
Steve Francis Portland 16
Eddie Jones 15
Keith Van Horn no longer salary?

Expiring Theo Ratliff 11.  Theres the deal.  Shaq goes to Celts for coatail 5th title.  Oh too late he's on MN.

[Lurker]

Finley's was part of the amnesty program.  The Spurs don't pay him that much so for trading purposes the salary being paid by Cuban doesn't count.  Also when you are bought out of a contract you become a free agent and the team buying you out gives up bird rights. 

Van Horn is a possibility EXCEPT the Mavs are right at the luxury cap or slightly above so to sign KVH would cost them double.  Which menas that Shaq would cost Cuban $40 million a year.  And I am not sure the current Shaq is better than the Dampier/Diop tag team that Dallas uses.

[Skandery]

What is the current list of Extortionist contracts?

Just look on the Knicks to start:

Stephon Marbury due to rake in 20.1 Million this year and 22 Million next year.  Jerome James is due just under 19 Million for the next 3 years.  Malik Rose is set to make 15 Million summing up this year and next.  Jared Jeffries is set to pull 25 Million for the next 4 years.  

Webber -- Extorting 19 Million from the Sixers this year
Aaron McKie -- Philly still owes this guy 7 Million

Finley -- Cashing in a cool 18.5 Million from ole Cuban
Dampier -- Due 41 Million over the next 4 years  

Murphy -- Owed 42 Million over the next 4 years for his montrous 10 points, 6 rebounds.

Franchise -- 33.5 Million for the next 2 years for his ample services
LaFrentz -- 24.5 Million for the next 2 years
Darius Miles -- 26.25 Million for the next 3 years

Kenny Thomas -- Set for 24 Million for the next 3 years
SAR -- extorting 18.6 Million for the next 3 years.

Kenyon Martin -- Sucking down 59 Million for the next 4 years

. . . and Big Shaq Daddy will be cha-chinging 60 Million for the next 3 years.

[westkoast]

I guess all these bought-outs wont work.

Chrissy Webber Phil 19
Michael Finley Dallas 18.5
Steve Francis Portland 16
Eddie Jones 15
Keith Van Horn no longer salary?

Expiring Theo Ratliff 11.  Theres the deal.  Shaq goes to Celts for coatail 5th title.  Oh too late he's on MN.

Let's do some basic math

The 60 million Shaq is owed because they extended his contract > 15, 16, 18.5, and 11.

Who the hell would want him at this point?  He is old, he is banged up with injuries, he's very foul prone, and he has a massive ego that makes him think he's still super Shaq.

[Reality]

25/10 + a couple times this season.
Bunch of double doubles.

He would be fine as a backup Center.  Excellent in fact.

But the price is the deal breaker now.
That was one expensive title for the Heat.
Wonder if DWade regrets extending.

[Skandery]

The 60 million Shaq is owed because they extended his contract > 15, 16, 18.5, and 11.

Technically westkoast, you go by the cap hit.  Shaq hits the cap at 20 million per year.  So you could take an Eddie Jones at 15 million and only have to make up 5 million/year in salary (GMs use bench fodder players and trade exceptions for this difference usually).  Of course you're going to have to convince the team taking Shaq to absorb not only the 20 million of this year but the 40 million for the next 2 years.  

[westkoast]

25/10 + a couple times this season.
Bunch of double doubles.

He would be fine as a backup Center.  Excellent in fact.

But the price is the deal breaker now.
That was one expensive title for the Heat.
Wonder if DWade regrets extending.

LOL @ thinking he would play backup center.  Do you know who Shaq is?  I think it's hillarious now that he is off the Lakers you are trying to pump him up now when clearly he's a shell of his former self  then when he was MVP caliber you were saying he sucks.

The price is not a deal breaker.  His age and injuries are the deal breaker.  You do realize he is injured RIGHT NOW and the trade dead line is in a few weeks?

[Reality]

The 60 million Shaq is owed because they extended his contract > 15, 16, 18.5, and 11.

Technically B-Rad, you go by the cap hit.  Shaq hits the cap at 20 million per year.  So you could take an Eddie Jones at 15 million and only have to make up 5 million/year in salary (GMs use bench fodder players and trade exceptions for this difference usually).  Of course you're going to have to convince the team taking Shaq to absorb not only the 20 million of this year but the 40 million for the next 2 years.  

That the problem. 2 1/2 more years.  If Shaqs salary expired this year interest would zoom.
BRad you dumb ass, Shaq would make a great back up for the playoffs.  I had said two years all along.
An EC Finals and a Championship.  Piehole shut please.

[westkoast]

The 60 million Shaq is owed because they extended his contract > 15, 16, 18.5, and 11.

Technically B-Rad, you go by the cap hit.  Shaq hits the cap at 20 million per year.  So you could take an Eddie Jones at 15 million and only have to make up 5 million/year in salary (GMs use bench fodder players and trade exceptions for this difference usually).  Of course you're going to have to convince the team taking Shaq to absorb not only the 20 million of this year but the 40 million for the next 2 years.  

That the problem. 2 1/2 more years.  If Shaqs salary expired this year interest would zoom.
BRad you dumb ass, Shaq would make a great back up for the playoffs.  I had said two years all along.
An EC Finals and a Championship.  Piehole shut please.

Reality you dumb ass...Shaq is not going to take a backup role on a squad.  He has an ego.  He still believes that his game is as good as it use to be.  Second his salary doesn't expire this year so that imaginary interest is not going to zoom.  On top of all of that..HE IS INJURED AND THE DEAD LINE IS IN A FEW WEEKS.

Think before you post please.

[JoMal]

Shaq is untradable, period.