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Ellsbury
« on: September 15, 2007, 10:31:46 PM »
zig, did you get the good news?
Ellsbury is lighting it up.
After last nights unreal Bosox choke job, leading 7-2 in the 8th inning only to lose 8-7. Ellsbury again shined going 2-5 with a run scored and rbi to leave him at around .400
So in Sats day game when Popavich i mean Francona did not start him i was fried.  Alas, he comes in for injured Youkolis and goes 2-2 2 runs 3 rbi.

From here on out i want to see him either starting or playing most of almost every game.
I realize you can't really sit slacker Manny and his home run bat.  However, sit JD OverDrews overpaid arse.  Or sit Coco Crisp.  Really, Els has earned it. 

Or do you like how they are  bringing him along slowly but surely?  Maybe better not to freak him out and make him the everyday starter here and now?  I can go with that.  I'll soften/change my stance that he starts and plays every game and instead just sees plenty of action.  Zig?

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 09:49:56 AM »
Jacoby has been lighting it up (.394 BA, 1.052 OPS, 5 for 5 in steals, 3 HR, 4 2B and 1 3B).  I think he has earned lots of playing time, but I think Francona is handling him pretty well.  I can't recall baseball's rule for ROY, so I would like to see them limit his games to keep him eligible to be a ROY candidate next year.  It looks like they are also limiting his time against lefty's, which I think makes sense.  He has also had a really good run playing almost exclusively in Fenway.  Need to see how he does in other locals as well.  I am really happy for him. 
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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2007, 02:23:32 PM »
2-4 Ellsbury again woohoo!

Are the Sox capable of choking off the division?
You know what tho Zig, i think the team with the best overall MLB record has not won the Series in like 9 or 10 years??

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2007, 01:53:03 AM »
Will we see him this series?
1 AB so far the entire playoffs after tonights loss to Cleveland in Gm 3.

Do not agree with you Francona.  Worked against Angels, not tonight.

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 02:36:00 PM »
Glad to see Jacoby get his shot in game 6.  If not for a great diving catch by Grade Sizemore, he would have had a 3 bagger if not an inside the parker.  Coco will be on the block this winter, that is a guarantee.
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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 12:43:39 AM »
July 28 2008

Zig what is up with Ellsbury?  Very prolonged slump.  Down to .250 or so and OBS is dropping to durn near .300
Red Sox also in a bad slump.

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 01:13:43 AM »
July 28 2008

Zig what is up with Ellsbury?  Very prolonged slump.  Down to .250 or so and OBS is dropping to durn near .300
Red Sox also in a bad slump.
I went to Seattle and watched him play.  I think there are a couple of basic things. 

#1 he has become much less patient at the plate, I read somewhere that his pitches per plate appearance has dropped almost 1/2 pitch per plate appearance.  As a result he has been swinging at pitches he should be taking.  Those are pitches he can't do much with, and rather than wait for a pitch he can do something with, he goes out.  I saw that 3 times in Seattle, and on a couple of other games.  Struggling with the breaking ball and balls down and in.  This has resulted in his walk rate going way down and his strikeout rate going up some.
I also think that having Ortiz out has hurt as well.  Like most young lefties he struggles against other lefties.  With Ortiz out he has had to play everyday, and I think he has developed some bad habits against lefties.

I also believe that some of it is luck, just like Kyle Loshe.  Baseball streaks clearly have a luck component.  Look at your boy Peavy in 2006, it was just like Hee Haw.  Then look at him last year, and he was a beast.  There is no doubt luck (good and bad) played a huge role in both years.  The best example this year compared to last year is Rafael Betancourt of the Indians.  No way he was as good as it looked last year (best relief pitcher in baseball, Dennis Eckersley like), and no way he is as bad as he looks this year.  Sometimes you hit a laser, right at someone and you get an out.  Other times you hit some texas leaguer just over the head of the SS, or drops in between 3 fielders, and you get a hit.  Get a little bad luck, in the middle of a tough patch, and you begin to press, and then it starts to snowball.  I knew that he would have a stretch like this, and now we get to see how he handles it.
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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 10:43:02 AM »
zig what happened to Ellsburys swing?

.188 2008 playoffs.

0-14 vs Tampa Bay and i thought the manager waited too long to take him out (last three games DNP)

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 10:56:29 AM »
Have you ever heard of small sample size?

He's not as good as he was last year in the playoffs or as bad as he was this year



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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2008, 11:04:12 AM »
He's been in a slump for more or less the entire 2nd half of the season.

Leave this talk for zig and I, especially zig.  ;)

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2008, 11:34:00 AM »
He's been in a slump for more or less the entire 2nd half of the season.

Leave this talk for zig and I, especially zig.  ;)

Or you can just google some box scores and surpass Reality baseball talk.   :D
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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2008, 11:43:22 AM »
He's been in a slump for more or less the entire 2nd half of the season.

Leave this talk for zig and I, especially zig.  ;)

Or you can just google some box scores and surpass Reality baseball talk.   :D

Though reality makes a good point, at least in the not talking to him suggestion department.

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2008, 02:36:09 PM »
Thanks FRANs*

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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2008, 05:43:32 PM »
zig what happened to Ellsburys swing?

.188 2008 playoffs.

0-14 vs Tampa Bay and i thought the manager waited too long to take him out (last three games DNP)

From August 30 through October 5, Jacoby hit .376  (42-117), with an on base % of .390, a slugging % of .581, so his OPS was .971.  That is all-star quality production for better than a month.  So I agree with Jemagee that last season his .353 regular season and .438 WS batting averages are not a true measure his ability at the time, 0-14 this year isn't either.

Baseball players, more than just about any other sport have some very bad slumps, and some extreme hot streaks.  MLB teams have developed a book on Jacoby, which explains his struggles for July and August.  At the same time he made a very nice return in his last 117 PA, so that is very encouraging.  His PECOTA projections from Baseball Prospectus had him pegged at about .272 with 5 hr and 25 steals, and they are generally pretty accurate.  They were accurate with Jacoby though he did exceed their projections.  I still see him competing to win batting titles, stolen base titles, over the next 10 years, though he will have to constantly work on improving his game.  He has to get stronger, develop more power, handle lefties better, and be more consistent on the breaking ball.  In 3-4 years I think he could be a borderline all-star game type player.
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Re: Ellsbury
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2008, 05:51:36 PM »
Shane Victorino laughs at Jacoby Ellsbury :)