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NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« on: September 11, 2007, 09:47:17 AM »
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Re: NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2007, 10:22:28 AM »
This is the article:

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/the-exploited-in-2006-07/

This is the table:

http://www.wagesofwins.com/Underpaid0607.html

Interesting . . .

The entire premise rests on how you measure "wins produced".  Kidd ranks high because he is credited for 24.8 wins.  Dirk meanwhile gets credit for only 18.0 wins.  And NJ won 26 less games than Dallas.  So Kidd was responsible for over half of his teams wins while Dirk gets credit for about 1/4 of the Mavs wins.

Another way to look at this is with the two Hornets on the list.  Chandler is credited with 16.9 while Paul has 13.2 wins.  From what I saw of the Hornets last year Paul was much more instrumental in their winning than Chandler was.  The same thing shows up with the two Suns on the list...Marion is credited with more "wins" than Nash.  Right.

I tried to follow links to find out how the authors determine "wins produced" but the only explanation is that it is mathematically based (duh!).
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Re: NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2007, 11:40:43 AM »
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I tried to follow links to find out how the authors determine "wins produced" but the only explanation is that it is mathematically based (duh!).

I found this at the top of the table.

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Value of a Win = Total Payroll in the NBA divided by Number of Regular Season Wins for All Teams

Difference in Values = Value of Wins – Salary 06-07

Salary data from USA Today

Value of Win set at $1,478,280

WP48 = Wins Produced per 48 minutes
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Re: NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2007, 11:51:13 AM »
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I tried to follow links to find out how the authors determine "wins produced" but the only explanation is that it is mathematically based (duh!).

I found this at the top of the table.

===========================

Value of a Win = Total Payroll in the NBA divided by Number of Regular Season Wins for All Teams

Difference in Values = Value of Wins – Salary 06-07

Salary data from USA Today

Value of Win set at $1,478,280

WP48 = Wins Produced per 48 minutes

But how is "wins produced" calculated?   How come Marion produced more wins for the Suns than Nash?  How is LeBron credited with only 17.4 wins out of Cleveland's 50 wins?
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Re: NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2007, 02:41:05 PM »
not going to decipher the chart, but some notables of past and present that were grosssly underpaid (not counting endorsements, of which they are sickeningly grossly overpaid)were/are:
Bird
Magic
MJ
Lebron

What these guys made their teams and before Lebron what they made the league worth is absurd.  W.O.W. and i agree that 50 million each to Bird and Magic would not have been an overpayment based on what they brought to the league revenuewise.  In fact what did value of Celts and Lakers go up in their glory years of '80-86?  Also Bulls and Cavs pre and post MJ and Lebron.

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Re: NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2007, 06:39:15 PM »
You would kind of expect guys still on their rookie contracts to be underpaid once they developed...

Im more suprised to see Chauncy Billips and Tim Duncan on the list then Deng or Chris Paul.
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Re: NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2007, 09:41:55 PM »
You would kind of expect guys still on their rookie contracts to be underpaid once they developed...

Im more suprised to see Chauncy Billips and Tim Duncan on the list then Deng or Chris Paul.
Tue but for slam dunk rookies the rookie contract is what, manditory arbitrary length of 3-4 years?  A select few of them (Lebron, Dwight Howard) are far exceeding their value by the 2nd year.

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Re: NBA's All-Underpaid Team 2006-07
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 12:02:50 PM »
You would kind of expect guys still on their rookie contracts to be underpaid once they developed...

Im more suprised to see Chauncy Billips and Tim Duncan on the list then Deng or Chris Paul.
Tue but for slam dunk rookies the rookie contract is what, manditory arbitrary length of 3-4 years?  A select few of them (Lebron, Dwight Howard) are far exceeding their value by the 2nd year.

After 3 they can sign an extension or wait for that 4th year to become unrestricted I believe (although I am not even 80% sure about that)

At the same time for every Lebron James, Dwight Howard, and Chris Paul there is 5 guys a piece who are a bust after their first 2 years.

I'm still amazed that Timmy doesn't have a bigger contract.  I understand in order for the Spurs to stay at the top of the league they need money to wiggle around but he should be making more per year IMO.
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