Uh oh...NBA ref betting on games.

[WayOutWest]

Can somene post what this video is about?  It's blocked for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U

People keep bringing this up in regards to that ref fixing a game.

[Reality]

video made by whiny Phx fan showing numerous calls in Gm 3.
Problem is most of the calls they picked were made correctly.

A few were bad, ie Bowen kneeing Nash in the nutts.  Even then, Nash was quoted afterwords as saying he had no problem with the no call.

1.  Manu drive for layup.  Suns has hand riding softly on GNobs arm.  While i would not have called foul, Sun should not have had wrist/hand on GNobs arm.  Very ticky tack call.

2.  Pic n roll Nash to Amare.  Duncan fronts him.  Notice the push off by Amare (r arm extend push off) to get around Duncan.  No i would not have called that but it helped get Amare around Duncan.  D now blocks Amare.  Some hand and wrist, but a whole lot of ball.  "Hand is part of the ball"?  Borderline at best and certainly nothing to whine about.  You got stuffed Amare.  If you want that foul call on Duncan then you get the push off foul that got you by by Duncan.  One or the other, not both in your favor.

3.  Flop by Fabs but Amare did step into him and initiate contact.  Uneccessary by Stoudamire, he could have got position without it.

4.  Bloocking foul on Nash.  Nashs left foot slid it at the last second and then flopped D Fisher style.  Could have gone either way and i would not complain had Duncan gotten the charge call, but the floppin fag has gotten way more then his share of these calls against the Spurs in this series. 

5. Duncan set with ball.  Diaw cutting following his man thru plops his arm across Tims back in a failed attempt to steal.  Easily a foul on Diaw.  What a stupid play to post by Phx fan attempting to show Spurs reffing favoritism.

6.  Bowen clears out the crowding Nash with a knee to the vagina.  Foul on Bowen, but this type of clear out is allowed 99% of the time in NBA.  I don't like it, but Nash was quoted the next day as having no problem with what Bowen did.  Bowen did not slam him either, rather just extended.  Nash also flopped backwords Derek Swisher style then rolled up on his back Magic Johnson drama queen style for effect.  pssssh.  Save that for the West Hollywood play productions.

7.  It does look like Bowen got Nash on the elbow to knock ball away.  Bad call.

8.  Bowen and Bob Horry give Nash the one-two and he loses control for turnover.  Stop your whining, you lost control on your own. 

[WayOutWest]

video made by whiny Phx fan showing numerous calls in Gm 3.
Problem is most of the calls they picked were made correctly.

A few were bad, ie Bowen kneeing Nash in the nutts.  Even then, Nash was quoted afterwords as saying he had no problem with the no call.

One major problem I can see is that new "no complain" rule put into effect last year.  A ref could very easily determine the outcome of a game by tossing a key player for complaining.  Everyone was talking about TD getting tossed, so much so that the ref involved got tossed for the rest of the year pretty much.  Imagine tossing a LeBron, Kobe or Nash in a game, their teams would pretty much fall apart at that point. 

Also, was that ref involved in the DWade free throw parade in the finals two years ago?

[Reality]

Also, was that ref involved in the DWade free throw parade in the finals two years ago?

I don't think so but...
I've been waiting for a complete list to come out.
So far this is as good as it gets?:
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Donaghy officiated 68 games in the 2005-06 season and 63 games in 2006-07. He also worked 20 playoff games, including five last season -- Pistons-Magic on April 23; Warriors-Mavs on April 27; Suns-Lakers on April 29; Nets-Raptors on May 4; and Spurs-Suns on May 12.
Those studying Donaghy's games might have noticed some trends.

When the home team was favored by 0-4½ points, it went 5-12 in games officiated by Donaghy this season, according to Covers.com, a Web site that tracks referee trends. Home underdogs were 1-7 when the spread was 5-9.5 points.

Donaghy was part of a crew working the Heat-Knicks game in New York in February when the Knicks shot 39 free throws to the Heat's eight, technical fouls were called on Heat coach Pat Riley and assistant Ron Rothstein, and the Knicks won by six. New York was favored by 4½.

[JoMal]

Sorry, but anyone who ever again mentions how the Spurs get screwed on foul calls should just watch a tape of this game and try to explain how three supposedly uninfluenced referees could continuously make calls that favored the Spurs. This was so bad that only non-Spurs/Suns fans should even consider commenting on it, because to be extremely charitable, every one of those plays were missed by the refs in that game, which of course, included Donaghy.

But not all the calls were, or were NOT, made by him. Eddie Rush was at fault on at least one of them.

But Donaghy making a foul call from half court on a play under the basket was classic. It was wrong and neither of the other refs who were closer saw a foul. This certainly smells very bad and if they use this game as evidence in any trial faced by Donaghy, he is getting convicted.

[Reality]

According to data compiled by Stats LLC and reported in the New York Post, Donaghy led the NBA in technical fouls called, whistling 177 of them -- 20 more than anyone else. Donaghy also ranked fourth in blowing personal fouls; was third in ordering free throws and second for fouling out players for the 2006-07 season.

The NBA is meticulous in gathering data on its referees and the calls they make, and if it had a referee calling an inordinate number of technicals, you'd expect they'd speak to Donaghy about it, no?

[Reality]

Sorry, but anyone who ever again mentions how the Spurs get screwed on foul calls should just watch a tape of this game and try to explain how three supposedly uninfluenced referees could continuously make calls that favored the Spurs. This was so bad that only non-Spurs/Suns fans should even consider commenting on it, because to be extremely charitable, every one of those plays were missed by the refs in that game, which of course, included Donaghy.

But not all the calls were, or were NOT, made by him. Eddie Rush was at fault on at least one of them.

[Reality]

Sorry, but anyone who ever again mentions how the Spurs get screwed on foul calls should just watch a tape of this game and try to explain how three supposedly uninfluenced referees could continuously make calls that favored the Spurs. This was so bad that only non-Spurs/Suns fans should even consider commenting on it, because to be extremely charitable, every one of those plays were missed by the refs in that game, which of course, included Donaghy. 

Which calls did you find more outrageous/obvious, the 2002 Kings-Lakers game 6 or this one?

[JoMal]

Sorry, but anyone who ever again mentions how the Spurs get screwed on foul calls should just watch a tape of this game and try to explain how three supposedly uninfluenced referees could continuously make calls that favored the Spurs. This was so bad that only non-Spurs/Suns fans should even consider commenting on it, because to be extremely charitable, every one of those plays were missed by the refs in that game, which of course, included Donaghy. 

Which calls did you find more outrageous/obvious, the 2002 Kings-Lakers game 6 or this one?

These Suns/Spurs refs were of the same mindset as those in the Lakers/Kings playoff game back in 2002.

The refs back then, (Dick Bavetta, Ted Bernhardt, and Bob Delaney) were also evil maggots who essentially spit in the face of Stern, the NBA, the players, and the fans, then road off into the sunset with their payoff cash streaming out of their pockets as Stern quickly told them to hide it better. 

[Lurker]

Sorry, but anyone who ever again mentions how the Spurs get screwed on foul calls should just watch a tape of this game and try to explain how three supposedly uninfluenced referees could continuously make calls that favored the Spurs. This was so bad that only non-Spurs/Suns fans should even consider commenting on it, because to be extremely charitable, every one of those plays were missed by the refs in that game, which of course, included Donaghy.

But not all the calls were, or were NOT, made by him. Eddie Rush was at fault on at least one of them.

But Donaghy making a foul call from half court on a play under the basket was classic. It was wrong and neither of the other refs who were closer saw a foul. This certainly smells very bad and if they use this game as evidence in any trial faced by Donaghy, he is getting convicted.

I was waiting for someone to post the link to all the missed calls in GAME 4 of the Spurs-Suns series.  That game was much more pivotal than game 3...and was thoroughly discussed earlier.  Anyone with a tape of any game + time with an editing machine can put together a very biased view of any game. 

But I am sure that the youtube video was put together by some unbiased non-Suns fan, right JoMal?   

[WayOutWest]

But I am sure that the youtube video was put together by some unbiased non-Suns fan, right JoMal?   

No doubt but you have to admit that call from beyond half court when there two refs right by the play didn't see a fould is one of the worse calls EVER.  The only one I can think of that compares is when some star player got his 2nd T of a game and ran over to the ref and told him that's his 2nd and he would be ejected, the ref quickly recinded the 2nd T and allowed the player to stay in the game.

[Lurker]

No doubt but you have to admit that call from beyond half court when there two refs right by the play didn't see a fould is one of the worse calls EVER. 

Definately agree.  It was a horrible call and I agreed at the time.  Here is another (slanted) article...

Sad humor: What a fix Suns were in

Web Posted: 07/25/2007 10:59 PM CDT


San Antonio Express-News

One of the signs a referee is fixing games, according to David Letterman, is this:
"When talking about the Spurs, says we."
 
That's not as funny as Letterman's other telltale signs, such as "Knicks are winning." But the Spurs' angle sure plays well in Phoenix. There, the second angriest mob (after the Gambino family) sees yet another reason to question a world that allows Robert Horry to prosper.

It's justified, and it's also something David Stern can't correct with a thousand press conferences. All doubt has been validated, and a review of Game 3 of the Suns-Spurs series comes with revisionist bite. For example, the San Antonio crowd chanted "dirty, dirty," at Amare Stoudemire because of comments he'd made about the Spurs just days before.

If everyone had only known who really deserved those words.

That a crooked ref was involved May 12 is damning enough for the league. But did Tim Donaghy, working the last game of his life, also give the Spurs a title as a parting gift?

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Issue No. 1: Stoudemire played only 21 minutes because of foul trouble, and Donaghy called the first two on him.

What the replays show: The first is not debatable. Then, Stoudemire mistimed his jump and landed on Michael Finley's back with such force that Finley needed a moment to get up.

The second is less obvious but not clearly a mistake. Horry cut, and Stoudemire, a notoriously lazy defender, didn't move his feet. Jon Barry, working TV that night, called it "a young foul."

Fouls three, four and five on Stoudemire? Donaghy called none of them.

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Issue No. 2: Donaghy, from midcourt, blew a late whistle on a Manu Ginobili drive. The replay showed little if any contact. "I don't know what he saw," said Barry of Donaghy.

If Donaghy wanted to increase scoring and thus win an over-under bet, he'd invent fouls. And if Donaghy wanted the Spurs to win, he would have wanted to help them when they trailed by nine in the second quarter.

What the replays show: It was an awful call. But Boris Diaw responded with a score to return the Suns to their 9-point lead. And, after a Tony Parker miss, Donaghy was involved again — calling Tim Duncan for a foul that built the Phoenix lead to double digits.

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Issue No. 3: Bruce Bowen stripped Steve Nash twice with plays that included some contact, and Bowen ended with only two fouls on the night. One of them was an offensive foul when he kneed Nash.

What the replays show: Ignoring Bowen's fouls goes against the over-under theory. But more telling, Donaghy wasn't involved in these plays. The no-call that drew a technical from Mike D'Antoni came from another ref, Greg Willard.

Willard was the Suns' target that night, not Donaghy. Appearing in the Express-News in the next day's editions was a sample from an unidentified Phoenix coach. "Greg Willard," he said, "just had the worst game in the history of officiating."

Willard also missed Shawn Marion clawing at Ginobili, accidentally catching his eye. Ginobili didn't like that no-call, either. He responded by scoring eight points in the final 1:30 of the third quarter.

Nash didn't react as well. An Arizona columnist wrote then, "It may have been the worst big game he's played since rejoining the Suns."

The third referee, Eddie F. Rush, didn't do much better. When an Arizona reporter made his own review of the game tape this week, he pointed to a call Rush made in the third quarter that resulted in Stoudemire's fourth personal.

"That was perhaps the most damaging, and questionable, of all the calls against Stoudemire," he wrote. "In fact, if somebody asked whether we thought the fix was in, we'd have fingered Rush for sure."

Maybe Donaghy didn't try to fix that game. Maybe he didn't have to. But when looking for signs — as Letterman was — a replay suggests something worthy of late-night humor.

Donaghy might have been the best official that night.

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bharvey@express-news.net

[westkoast]

That is crazy all 4 games the Spurs won were fixed.  Also that only the questionable calls were made by the Spurs.  I mean it is not like the Suns were favored by points in any single game they played in that series 

[Reality]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFfCCU4CVg4&NR=1

YouTube proof of the refs fixing a 9 point swing at a cruicial time in the 3rd qtr.

[westkoast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFfCCU4CVg4&NR=1

YouTube proof of the refs fixing a 9 point swing at a cruicial time in the 3rd qtr.

That has to be from YOUR youtube page...

How do I know?

This was also in the list... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXg-k_1NGMY&mode=related&search=