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Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« on: November 30, 2006, 09:27:12 AM »
their record against the Spurs -- 2-0. 

Did Boozer outplay TD last night?

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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 10:18:02 AM »
IMO the Jazz front line is better than the Spurs.   You have Boozer, Okur and AK47 vs TD, Flabstiff and BoweFootFettish.  I just don't think in a 7 games series the balance of the Jazz could overcome the dominance of a healthy TD.  Having to deal with TD inside should open up the game for the Spurs stiffs and Parker.  The Jazz could run all their big men at TD and wear him down, as it looks now that would be one of the best playoff series this year.  It should be fun watching the Jazz, Mavs, Spurs and Suns go at each other.
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 10:28:38 AM »
No, Utah is not better than San An.

Utah has a wonderful chemistry, and gets the absolute most out of their players.  They're at their ceiling.  San Antonio - largely due to Popovich's inadequacies as a coach - has room to grow.

Utah is relying on the ability to come from behind - to focus - just like they did in 1998 and 1999.  In both cases, the effort expended in comebacks cost them games that followed those comebacks - game 1 of the 1998 Finals, which cost us game 2 of the 1998 Finals, which, in turn, also cost us game 3 of the 1998 Finals - the Sacramento series in 1999, etc.  It's a recipe for disaster, and mark my word, it *WILL* be a disaster.

I didn't see the game last night, so I can't argue the Duncan vs. Boozer point.
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2006, 10:43:53 AM »
Utah would own PopaSpurs in a series right now.

Pop-A-Moron will seemingly never play Duncan and Elson together ie Duncan/Nazr with the rest of the cast that rolled to the 2005 playoffs.  I may need to bring up W.O.W.s and Jomals posts on how well that 2005 Playoff Spurs defense was.  Yes with Nazr.
Gee now can Elson do whatever Nazr did.  Sure can, only better.  And did for the Spurs 1st 8 games.  7-1.  Benched after that in favor of Horry and Bricks Finley.

4 Dumb Offense, Pops "Dump it To Tim and Stand n Veg" was employed for much of the game last night including the cruicial stretch run after the Spurs had finally taken a 2 pt lead.  Boozer had been owning Duncan all night, and when Pop predictably ordered 4 Dumb for the last 8 minutes he blocked a few more of Duncans shots, stripped him and scored on him at the other end.

Also Bricks Finley at 32% has a never ending green light because he is <insert *going to* break out> at <insert *some (yet as to be determined) future date*>  Meanwhile the overated blackhole can hork up 1-7, 1-8 and it gets him a starting position and minutes instead of 60% Barry.  Yeah yeah i know GNobili is out therfore Bricks *has* to start and play more minutes then Barry.    

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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2006, 11:16:54 AM »
Utah WOULD NOT beat SA in a playoff series.  I don't care if they are 2-0 on them right now I do not believe the would beat the Spurs in a 7 game playoff series.  No knock to Utah.  I think they are the best team in the league right now.  One would have to say there is a strong argument on both sides for the front line debate also.  However, a playoff series is much different then a regular season game here and there. 

I did not see the game last night.  Did not realize that Utah is playing back to back.  Hopefully they will still play at the high level they have been this season tonight against the Lakers as I have tickets  ;D
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2006, 11:39:11 AM »
Well, I am still trying to figure out how the Jazz have a 2-0 record when the teams have only played once.

Are the Jazz better...let's put the teams on more even footing before deciding that.  Spurs just played their 3rd game in 4 days on the road while missing the #3 player on the team.  Jazz are fully healthy and playing their 2nd game in 4 days at home.  Reverse the situation and let the teams play again before judging.

BTW if you want to say the Jazz are better based on 1 game then the Warriors are even better as they beat both the Jazz & Spurs in the past week.
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2006, 11:45:16 AM »
Well, I am still trying to figure out how the Jazz have a 2-0 record when the teams have only played once.

Are the Jazz better...let's put the teams on more even footing before deciding that.  Spurs just played their 3rd game in 4 days on the road while missing the #3 player on the team.  Jazz are fully healthy and playing their 2nd game in 4 days at home.  Reverse the situation and let the teams play again before judging.

BTW if you want to say the Jazz are better based on 1 game then the Warriors are even better as they beat both the Jazz & Spurs in the past week.

My bad, I thought the Spurs had already played the Jazz once.

As for the Spurs missing their #3 player -- he has been missing ALL YEAR LONG -- even before he got injured! 

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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2006, 11:50:05 AM »
Lurker/Randy is this a tandum brain fart?  Fabs, the #3 player on the Spurs, is not hurt.

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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2006, 12:20:31 PM »
While Utah appears to be having a break out season, the season DOES go on for 82 games. Lots of time for injuries to happen, attention spans to wander, you name it.

The Spurs, with this group, have been there before, and as I recall, often struggle early in the season, when fans start calling out Popovich as being a mediocre coach and if only SA had a better leader, blah, blah, blah. Yet they seem to do pretty well once they get going.

His fault is one of judgement once the games start to mean something, because his squad, realistically, is not all that deep, with role specialists on the bench rather then multi-taskers like Dallas enjoys. Utah has a great coach and some players to use, but they still have to do this for several years before expectations can realistically be raised about the Jazz. I could be wrong - Sloan does not allow much in the way of slackers to get too comfortable, but that team needs seasoning regardless of how well they might play against the Spurs in the regular season.
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2006, 12:43:39 PM »
IMO, Jazz will be out in the 2nd round, so who cares who they are better than.  IMO the real issue being discussed should be are the Clippers better than the Lakers.
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2006, 01:23:05 PM »
IMO the real issue being discussed should be are the Clippers better than the Lakers.

But outside of SoCal does anyone really give a ____!    ;D
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2006, 01:30:37 PM »

As for the Spurs missing their #3 player -- he has been missing ALL YEAR LONG -- even before he got injured! 

Well, if you had actually watched a Spurs game since Fisher's famous 0.4 shot I would be willing to discuss this theory with you.  But to discuss basketball with someone whose knowledge of a team comes from ESPN highlights would be a waste of my time.  Again your bias gets in the way of a perfectly good (potentially) discussion...
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2006, 02:12:28 PM »

As for the Spurs missing their #3 player -- he has been missing ALL YEAR LONG -- even before he got injured! 

Well, if you had actually watched a Spurs game since Fisher's famous 0.4 shot I would be willing to discuss this theory with you.  But to discuss basketball with someone whose knowledge of a team comes from ESPN highlights would be a waste of my time.  Again your bias gets in the way of a perfectly good (potentially) discussion...

lol -- you are just really mad because the Spurs never even MAKE ESPN highlights!  So you want to go on record as stating that Manu has been a legit #3 option this year?  So my bias against the Spurs keeps my comments from having merit.  OKay.  So, my bias against the Spurs has no merit but your bias FOR the Spurs does?  Why don't you bring something more to the table in this discussion than just ranting and raving for your team?  Like something that SHOWS that what I'm saying isn't true! 

Sometimes I have a hard time figuring out which Spur fan is responsible for a post like this -- you or Reality!

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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2006, 02:26:19 PM »
So Randy...list the top 3 options for the Spurs.

My list:
Duncan
Parker
Ginobili

If you can honestly say that either Oberto or Bowen (other 2 starters) are ahead of Ginobili then my bet is that everyone on this board will have to re-evaluate the extent of your basketball knowledge.
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Re: Utah -- are they better than the Spurs?
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2006, 03:59:21 PM »
So Randy...list the top 3 options for the Spurs.

My list:
Duncan
Parker
Ginobili

If you can honestly say that either Oberto or Bowen (other 2 starters) are ahead of Ginobili then my bet is that everyone on this board will have to re-evaluate the extent of your basketball knowledge.

Lurker,

Put down the paint chips.  That's exactly what Randy is saying, there #3 option, Manuela is AWAL.
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