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« on: March 12, 2004, 12:50:43 PM »

Mar 12 2004

WORLD EXCLUSIVE
 
By Rosa Prince and Gary Jones
 
A BRITISH captive freed from Guantanamo Bay today tells the world of its full horror - and reveals how prostitutes were taken into the camp to degrade Muslim inmates.

Jamal al-Harith, 37, who arrived home three days ago after two years of confinement, is the first detainee to lift the lid on the US regime in Cuba's Camp X-Ray and Camp Delta.

The father-of-three, from Manchester, told how he was assaulted with fists, feet and batons after refusing a mystery injection.

 He said detainees were shackled for up to 15 hours at a time in hand and leg cuffs with metal links which cut into the skin.

Their "cells" were wire cages with concrete floors and open to the elements - giving no privacy or protection from the rats, snakes and scorpions loose around the American base.

He claims punishment beatings were handed out by guards known as the Extreme Reaction Force. They waded into inmates in full riot-gear, raining blows on them.

Prisoners faced psychological torture and mind-games in attempts to make them confess to acts they had never committed. Even petty breaches of rules brought severe punishment.

Medical treatment was sparse and brutal and amputations of limbs were more drastic than required, claimed Jamal.

A diet of foul water and food up to 10 years out-of-date left inmates malnourished.

But Jamal's most shocking disclosure centred on the use of vice girls to torment the most religiously devout detainees.

Prisoners who had never seen an "unveiled" woman before would be forced to watch as the hookers touched their own naked bodies.

The men would return distraught. One said an American girl had smeared menstrual blood across his face in an act of humiliation.

Jamal said: "I knew of this happening about 10 times. It always seemed to be those who were very young or known to be particularly religious who would be taken away.

"I would joke with the other British lads, 'Bring them to us - we'll have them'. It made us laugh. But the Americans obviously knew we wouldn't be shocked by seeing Western women, so they didn't bother.

"It was a profoundly disturbing experience for these men. They would refuse to speak about what had happened. It would take perhaps four weeks for them to tell a friend - and we would shout it out around the whole block."

Jamal added: "The whole point of Guantanamo was to get to you psychologically. The beatings were not as nearly as bad as the psychological torture - bruises heal after a week - but the other stuff stays with you."

HE was talking from a secret location after being reunited with his family. The website designer, a convert to Islam, had gone to Pakistan in October 2001, a few weeks after September 11, to study Muslim culture.

He accidentally strayed into Afghanistan - believing he was being driven to Turkey - and was arrested as a spy, perhaps because of his British passport. He was held in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and fell into US hands.

Now Jamal bears the scars of Guantanamo. He stoops into a hunch as he walks because the shackles that bound him were too short.

As a punishment, inmates would be confined so tightly they would be forced to lie in a ball for hours. During lengthy interrogation, they would be tethered to a metal ring on the floor.

Jamal said: "Sometimes you would be chained up on the floor with your hands and feet actually bound together. One of my friends told me he was kept like that for 15 hours once.

"Recreation meant your legs were untied and you walked up and down a strip of gravel. In Camp X-Ray you only got five minutes but in Delta you walked for around 15 minutes."

Jamal said victims of the Extreme Reaction Force were paraded in front of cells. "It was a horrible sight and it was a frequent sight."

He said one unit used force-feeding to end a hunger strike by 70 per cent of the 600 inmates. The strike started after a guard deliberately kicked a copy of the Koran.

Rice and beans was the usual diet and the water was "filthy". Jamal added: "In Camp X-Ray it was yellow and in Delta it was black - the colour of Coca-Cola.

"We had it piped through with a tap in each 'cage' but they would often turn the water off as punishment.

"They would shut off the water before prayers so we couldn't wash ourselves according to our religion.

"The food was terrible as well, up to 10 years out-of-date. They would open a hatch and shove it through a section at a time.

"We had porridge and something they called 'like-milk', which was disgusting and 'like-tea' and a piece of fruit. The fruit had been frozen and pounded with chemicals. An apple might look red but there was waxy white stuff all over it and inside it would be black and brown.

"They would play tricks on people by denying them things - you might be the only person on your block who didn't get any bread. I prided myself on never asking them for anything. I would not beg." Jamal said they were told they had no rights. "They actually said that - 'You have no rights here'. After a while, we stopped asking for human rights - we wanted animal rights. In Camp X-Ray my cage was right next to a kennel housing an Alsatian dog.

"He had a wooden house with air conditioning and green grass to exercise on. I said to the guards, 'I want his rights' and they replied, 'That dog is member of the US army'.

"You would be punished for anything - for having six packets of salt in your cell rather than five, for hanging your towel through the cage if it wasn't wet, even for having your spoon and things lined up in the wrong order."

Being forced to use a bucket as a toilet in view of other inmates and guards was particularly embarrassing. Jamal said: "I never got used to it - we would all put our towels and clothes around us.

"But the Military Police up in the tower would see us and would shout to each other.

"We were only allowed a shower once a week at the beginning and none at all in solitary confinement.

"This was very tough because you are supposed to be clean when you pray.

"Gradually the number of showers rose to three a week. They were always cold.

"You would be chained by two MPs while you were still in the cage before being taken off for what they called 'rec and shower'.

"You could sometimes see the guards tampering with the shower heads to make water squirt all over the inmate's clothes if he had put them up to protect his privacy."

Inmates were issued with "comfort items" - known as CIs - like shampoo, towels, a washcloth and boxer shorts. CIs would be removed as a punishment.

Jamal defiantly refused "treats", such as watching a James Bond film in a room dubbed The Love Shack by inmates.

He added: "Some people were given pizzas, ice-cream and McDonald's, but they didn't offer them to me. I guess they knew bribery would work with some and not with others."

To pass the time, inmates would chat to each other, pray, read the Koran and sing Islamic songs. In Camp X-Ray, they were given Mills and Boon-style romance novels in Arabic, which they refused to read.

Describing medical treatment, Jamal said he knew of 11 men who had legs amputated and two who lost toes and fingers. He was told that the Americans had removed far more tissue than was necessary.

HE added: "The man in the cell next to me had frostbite in two fingers and two toes. He also had it in his big toe, but they didn't treat that for a year by which time they had to cut off much more than was needed.

"All the men who had lost limbs complained they would chop them off high up and not bother to try to save as much as possible."

Jamal added that he didn't have close friends in Guantanamo, saying: "When I did meet the other Brits, we would reminisce about home - particularly the food.

"We were all obsessed with Scottish Highland Shortbread - we wanted some so much.

"One of the Brits told me he was asked why he was a Muslim, because he ought to be praying to the Queen."

Jamal, who is divorced with daughters aged three and eight and a son of five, is convinced his refusal to succumb to mind-games gave him the will to come through.

He said: "It was very, very hard at times, but I tried to think about nothing but survival.

"I kept my thoughts from home as much as possible because it would drive me crazy.

"About a year into my time, I had a dream. A voice said, 'You will here for two years'.

"In my dream I said, 'Two years! You're joking'. But when I woke up, I was calmer because at least that meant I would be getting out one day.

"I was sent to Guantanamo on February 11, 2002 and left on March 9, 2004, so I was there for just over two years, just like the voice in the dream said."


 
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2004, 12:54:55 PM »
Got this from a London newspaper, so I don't know how factual it is. But my point is, how do we know if its factual or not?  Nobody is allowed to see the prisoners, all correspondence is monitored, in many ways, camp x ray remains me of a German concentration camp.

Some of these people certainly deserve to be there. Others though, i'm sure, were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And being that they are being held indefinately, without access to attorneys, w/o access to family,without being charged with a crime.

DO any of you republicans or demo's think this is right?  I sure as hell don't.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2004, 01:05:36 PM »
I don't buy a lot of what is in that article.

I do, however, believe there are probably prisoners in that camp who do not belong there. The Patriot Act, which was a bipartisan bill, has pushed things as far as I think they can go. If the military can prove that all of these guys were enemy combatants, then it should keep them there until some sort of peace agreement is met, as accepted rules of war dictate. But the military had better prove these combatants are the bad guys, because the more innocent people you hold this way, the more outcry we're going to hear.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2004, 01:34:56 PM »
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Got this from a London newspaper, so I don't know how factual it is. But my point is, how do we know if its factual or not?  Nobody is allowed to see the prisoners, all correspondence is monitored, in many ways, camp x ray remains me of a German concentration camp.

Some of these people certainly deserve to be there. Others though, i'm sure, were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And being that they are being held indefinately, without access to attorneys, w/o access to family,without being charged with a crime.

DO any of you republicans or demo's think this is right?  I sure as hell don't.
you're right 101, it's not right.  to avoid the horrors thats terrorists have to endure after the battle is done i say the military should have just killed them off, then we wouldnt have to listen to how a poor little anti-american fanatic had to live through such horrible punishment after wanting to wage a terror war on us......i thought for sure the story would be about how much he loved the accomodations in X-Ray   :rolleyes:

you dont know for sure if this guy did just get lost, you dont know if this was an accident, you just dont know, he could be helping the terrorist cause by playing onto our sappy feelings for political correctness and compassion,  all the while still in some way possibly helping his old partners - he is lucky to be out if you ask me, i wouldnt have let him out.  and if it came down to people griping about how we treat people who would murder our innocent men and women and children as well as our military, i would say just get rid of them the first time and save us the crap from bleeding hearts.....not to say you are  ;)  but you know what i mean, these guys could have been snuffed without a trace to begin with.  i am sure if they had captured our people they would have treated them more humanely...wait a minute, they didnt do that did they...
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2004, 01:36:03 PM »
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If the military can prove that all of these guys were enemy combatants, then it should keep them there until some sort of peace agreement is met, as accepted rules of war dictate. But the military had better prove these combatants are the bad guys, because the more innocent people you hold this way, the more outcry we're going to hear.
I didn't realize we went to war with the British.  If there are prisoners with valid passports form any country other than Iraq or Afghanistan then we are holding citizens of other countires as prisoners.  Bush needs to step up and TRUTHFULLY & COMPLETELY answer questions about his administrations "war on terror".  
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2004, 01:46:13 PM »
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If the military can prove that all of these guys were enemy combatants, then it should keep them there until some sort of peace agreement is met, as accepted rules of war dictate. But the military had better prove these combatants are the bad guys, because the more innocent people you hold this way, the more outcry we're going to hear.
I didn't realize we went to war with the British.  If there are prisoners with valid passports form any country other than Iraq or Afghanistan then we are holding citizens of other countires as prisoners.  Bush needs to step up and TRUTHFULLY & COMPLETELY answer questions about his administrations "war on terror".
such as what lurker?  if this was something so believeable why didnt the british govt step in??  hey cant wait to read the breaking story that osama bin laden really ISNT a bad guy somehow. i am sure you would believe that right off the bat if you take to this story so quickly...
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2004, 01:46:18 PM »
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you're right 101, it's not right. to avoid the horrors thats terrorists have to endure after the battle is done i say the military should have just killed them off, then we wouldnt have to listen to how a poor little anti-american fanatic had to live through such horrible punishment after wanting to wage a terror war on us......i thought for sure the story would be about how much he loved the accomodations in X-Ray 

you dont know for sure if this guy did just get lost, you dont know if this was an accident, you just dont know, he could be helping the terrorist cause by playing onto our sappy feelings for political correctness and compassion, all the while still in some way possibly helping his old partners - he is lucky to be out if you ask me, i wouldnt have let him out. and if it came down to people griping about how we treat people who would murder our innocent men and women and children as well as our military, i would say just get rid of them the first time and save us the crap from bleeding hearts.....not to say you are  but you know what i mean, these guys could have been snuffed without a trace to begin with. i am sure if they had captured our people they would have treated them more humanely...wait a minute, they didnt do that did they...

Anti-American fanatic?  So does this mean every person who lives in Afghanistan is an anti-american fanatic? Do you  blindly believe he is one because the government told you that he was? I guess we should have just nuked the whole country, and gotten rid of our problem then, huh. That's real Christian of you Jer.
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2004, 01:52:24 PM »
You know, it just amazes me how divided this country is politically.  In my history , I can't remember the country EVER being as polarized as it has been under the George Bush administration.  With this president, there is no middle ground.

If George Bush is elected again, I could see this country going through a second civil war over his policies!   :lol: LOL!  WERE THAT DIVIDED. :(    
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2004, 01:53:49 PM »
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you're right 101, it's not right. to avoid the horrors thats terrorists have to endure after the battle is done i say the military should have just killed them off, then we wouldnt have to listen to how a poor little anti-american fanatic had to live through such horrible punishment after wanting to wage a terror war on us......i thought for sure the story would be about how much he loved the accomodations in X-Ray 

you dont know for sure if this guy did just get lost, you dont know if this was an accident, you just dont know, he could be helping the terrorist cause by playing onto our sappy feelings for political correctness and compassion, all the while still in some way possibly helping his old partners - he is lucky to be out if you ask me, i wouldnt have let him out. and if it came down to people griping about how we treat people who would murder our innocent men and women and children as well as our military, i would say just get rid of them the first time and save us the crap from bleeding hearts.....not to say you are  but you know what i mean, these guys could have been snuffed without a trace to begin with. i am sure if they had captured our people they would have treated them more humanely...wait a minute, they didnt do that did they...

Anti-American fanatic?  So does this mean every person who lives in Afghanistan is an anti-american fanatic? Do you  blindly believe he is one because the government told you that he was? I guess we should have just nuked the whole country, and gotten rid of our problem then, huh. That's real Christian of you Jer.
thats the point isnt it?  the fact that you cant tell who is telling the truth.  you take one story and it is like "man i gotta believe this one!" i mean come on. not everyone is is a sait not everyone is guilty, but they were still there for a reason, i would not take the word of a serial killer if he told me the heads in his freezer just showed up one day.  if these guys get out of X-Ray , my point is i dont think they wold have anything nice, and possibly truthful to say about the place, they may be broken in body somehow, and mind, but that doesnt mean they wont try to sway borderlines to thier cuase by spitting out more garbage and untruths.  do i belive x-ray is a nice place, hell no.  but at the same time these  people atleast had a second chance at life, a sucky one, but thats more than they would have given us, and i for one and not one for giving them even that much.  yes you can throw the christian card at me if you want, i have not denied that i am not a saint - i am a man, not Christ, so if i feel that this is more than they deserve thats for me to deal with when the time comes, with my TRUE judge.  as a man, i would not take the word of these prisoners, i am sure every single one of them happenned to be in X-Ray by "accident."

 
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2004, 02:00:38 PM »
No, your right, now I'm convinced. These prisoners deserve to be there. We should just save some taxpayer dollars and just TORCH THE PLACE!  Hey, now I"m REALLY thinking like a Republican!!  
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2004, 02:02:36 PM »
just so you know 101, wearing Purple n Gold undies is an offense that will get you banned from Spursdom.

We'll be checking with your wife tonight....

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2004, 02:08:32 PM »
No problem there, I GUARANTEE that if you checked my underwear, you would find some black in it....uh...ergh... :(  
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2004, 02:14:06 PM »
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No, your right, now I'm convinced. These prisoners deserve to be there. We should just save some taxpayer dollars and just TORCH THE PLACE!  Hey, now I"m REALLY thinking like a Republican!!
Oh c'mon 101! You have to know that when you say things like that, YOU are only widening the divide between us that has been perpetrated (singlehandedly) by George W. Bush.

Republican = Kill Everyone who looks suspicious.

That's about as deliberately false and dirty (or just plain ignorant) a piece of political rhetoric as I've ever heard.

Does that sound pompously indignant enough?  ;)  
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2004, 02:22:09 PM »
Seriously Ted, sometimes you and x3 say something, and I'm just at a loss for words that some people can actually THINK like that.  And I know the same goes for you when you hear Lurker, WOW (actually, WOW's just in his own political world) and myself say something. You CAN NOT COMPREHEND how WE could think that way.

THAT goes to show you how much our country is divided.  BOTH political parties have taken a major shift to the EXTREME religious right and to the EXTREME liberal left.  I see no signs of it getting better, and in many ways, I wish a third party would emerge that had some freakin basic COMMON SENSE!  
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2004, 02:36:02 PM »
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Seriously Ted, sometimes you and x3 say something, and I'm just at a loss for words that some people can actually THINK like that.  And I know the same goes for you when you hear Lurker, WOW (actually, WOW's just in his own political world) and myself say something. You CAN NOT COMPREHEND how WE could think that way.

THAT goes to show you how much our country is divided.  BOTH political parties have taken a major shift to the EXTREME religious right and to the EXTREME liberal left.  I see no signs of it getting better, and in many ways, I wish a third party would emerge that had some freakin basic COMMON SENSE!
your right 101...i say we take all you "Mel Gibson's Passion" hating liberals and plant you in mexico... ;)  
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