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« on: November 02, 2005, 02:05:48 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051102/ap_on_...movie_downloads

MILWAUKEE - A 67-year-old man who says he doesn't even like watching movies has been sued by the film industry for copyright infringement after a grandson of his downloaded four movies on their home computer.

The Motion Picture Association of America filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against Fred Lawrence of Racine, seeking as much as $600,000 in damages for downloading four movies over the Internet file-sharing service iMesh.

The suit was filed after Lawrence refused a March offer to settle the matter by paying $4,000.

"First of all, like I say, I guess I'd have to plead being naive about the whole thing," he said.

"I personally didn't do it, and I wouldn't do it. But I don't think it was anything but an innocent mistake my grandson made."

Lawrence said his grandson, who was then 12, downloaded "The Incredibles," "I, Robot," "The Grudge," and "The Forgotten" in December, without knowing it was illegal to do so.

The Racine man said his grandson downloaded the movies out of curiosity, and deleted the computer files immediately. The family already owned three of the four titles on DVD, he said.

"I can see where they wouldn't want this to happen, but when you get up around $4,000 ... I don't have that kind of money," Lawrence said. "I never was and never will be a wealthy person."

Kori Bernards, vice president of corporate communications for MPAA, said the movie industry wants people to understand the consequences of Internet piracy. She said the problem is the movies that were downloaded were then available to thousands of other users on the iMesh network.

"Basically what you are doing when you use peer-to-peer software is you are offering someone else's product that they own to thousands of other people for free, and it's not fair," Bernards said.

Illegal downloading costs the movie industry an estimated $5.4 billion a year, she said.

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Information from: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, http://www.jsonline.com

 

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2005, 02:33:04 PM »
Why would this be a reason to hate Hollywood again?  Because someone is stealing their product and they dont like it?  Anyone can use that 'it wasnt me, it was someone else' line.  Not saying he did or did not do it but that is a typical response given when someone is busted for piracy.  Besides, he is responsible for what a 12 year old boy is doing on the Internet.  Movies take long long periods of time to download so he should have been a little bit more attentive.  Four movies on a DSL or Cable modem would take FOREVER.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2005, 02:39:57 PM »
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Why would this be a reason to hate Hollywood again?  Because someone is stealing their product and they dont like it?  Anyone can use that 'it wasnt me, it was someone else' line.  Not saying he did or did not do it but that is a typical response given when someone is busted for piracy.  Besides, he is responsible for what a 12 year old boy is doing on the Internet.  Movies take long long periods of time to download so he should have been a little bit more attentive.  Four movies on a DSL or Cable modem would take FOREVER.
Punishment fits the crime?  $600K or for that matter Phonywoods *generous* settlement offer of $4,000 bones?

Lets talk circumstancial evidence.  Gramps is 67, kid is 12.  Okay that does not mean they could not be pirate scammers using the exact line you alluded to.  However, dude downloaded 4 movies total.  Does that sound like a hardcore pirate to you?  A pirate period?  Sounds to me exactly what Gramps said, he (Gramps) knew nothing about it and kid was just curious.  Okay maybe kid did have friend tell him where to get The Incredibles for free.  Cutting Phonywoods profit from 300 million to 299,999 million.  

If I'm judge I throw the case out and assign court costs to the Picture Association.

Look if Phonywood wants to make an example out of someone, find a hardcore pirate.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2005, 02:52:37 PM »
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Why would this be a reason to hate Hollywood again?  Because someone is stealing their product and they dont like it?  Anyone can use that 'it wasnt me, it was someone else' line.  Not saying he did or did not do it but that is a typical response given when someone is busted for piracy.  Besides, he is responsible for what a 12 year old boy is doing on the Internet.  Movies take long long periods of time to download so he should have been a little bit more attentive.  Four movies on a DSL or Cable modem would take FOREVER.
Punishment fits the crime?  $600K or for that matter Phonywoods *generous* settlement offer of $4,000 bones?

Lets talk circumstancial evidence.  Gramps is 67, kid is 12.  Okay that does not mean they could not be pirate scammers using the exact line you alluded to.  However, dude downloaded 4 movies total.  Does that sound like a hardcore pirate to you?  A pirate period?  Sounds to me exactly what Gramps said, he (Gramps) knew nothing about it and kid was just curious.  Okay maybe kid did have friend tell him where to get The Incredibles for free.  Cutting Phonywoods profit from 300 million to 299,999 million.  

If I'm judge I throw the case out and assign court costs to the Picture Association.

Look if Phonywood wants to make an example out of someone, find a hardcore pirate.
Do I think its 600k worth of damage? No.  I don't even think 4,000 dollars is an okay number.  I also dont think being in the carpool lane by yourself is worth a 1,000+ fine nor do I think some other fines are reasonable.  However, that is the law and that law needs to be addressed.

Does it sound like a hardcore pirate?  Nope.  A pirate period? Yes.  Anyone who downloads one piece of copywritten information is a pirate.  This is coming from the king of all Internet pirating back in the day.  Four movies is quite a bit of data.  The whole point of them getting in trouble is not because Hollywood lost 140 bucks all together.  The point is that you do not steal someone elses product no matter how much the company makes.  If a bum steals bread from a baker store owner who makes 100k a year is it okay because the bum doesnt make nearly as much money as the store owner?  

If I am a judge I dont throw out the case because this is still illegal to do and if you dont uphold the law then what is the point of having things copywritten in the first place?  The judge could get creative with the sentence.  Make the kid go scrub toilets at the studio for a week lol
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2005, 03:11:40 PM »
I agree that stealing is stealing, wether it's a grape at the supermarket (just ask produce person for sample 1st) or a semitruckload of grapes.

On the enforcement front, The Motion Picture Association of whom Ms. Kori Bernards is spouting and reprezentin for, amoung other the Walt Disney Corp.

Remember a few years ago when a Disney boat came crashing into DisneyWorld Anaheim port and i think killed a person but at the very least did serious injury to ??? numerous people.  Bystanders were stunned, many of them were very willing and very able to give eyewitness reports to the Anaheim police dept.  Well, turns out that division of Anaheim PD is "owned" by Disney.  Refused to take reports from eyewitnesses.  Not a one.  I could go on and on.  I had a friend who got hit by a piece of metal on a malfunctioning Universal Studios ride.  Dealing with them was like dealing with Johny Cockroach and Bobby Shapiro.  Total snakes.  Zero accountability.  Hailey Berry rear ending the car stopped at the stoplight.  Ditto, HWood police refused to take report from driver of car behind both of them who saw everything.    

So yes if Gramps and son are going to be enforced, lets see the Anaheim debacle fully enforced.  Care to comment, Ms. Bernards?
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2005, 03:27:56 PM »
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Illegal downloading costs the movie industry an estimated $5.4 billion a year, she said.

What a load of horse bleep.

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2005, 04:22:13 PM »
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I agree that stealing is stealing, wether it's a grape at the supermarket (just ask produce person for sample 1st) or a semitruckload of grapes.

On the enforcement front, The Motion Picture Association of whom Ms. Kori Bernards is spouting and reprezentin for, amoung other the Walt Disney Corp.

Remember a few years ago when a Disney boat came crashing into DisneyWorld Anaheim port and i think killed a person but at the very least did serious injury to ??? numerous people.  Bystanders were stunned, many of them were very willing and very able to give eyewitness reports to the Anaheim police dept.  Well, turns out that division of Anaheim PD is "owned" by Disney.  Refused to take reports from eyewitnesses.  Not a one.  I could go on and on.  I had a friend who got hit by a piece of metal on a malfunctioning Universal Studios ride.  Dealing with them was like dealing with Johny Cockroach and Bobby Shapiro.  Total snakes.  Zero accountability.  Hailey Berry rear ending the car stopped at the stoplight.  Ditto, HWood police refused to take report from driver of car behind both of them who saw everything.    

So yes if Gramps and son are going to be enforced, lets see the Anaheim debacle fully enforced.  Care to comment, Ms. Bernards?
Disney runs Anahiem, plain and simple.  A good friend of mines family business (they manufacture pool tables and bars) was thinking of leaving Orange County because they were just taking it in the you-know-what when it came to the regulations of the chemicals that were doing into the air.   They were over their alloated amount because business happend to be booming.  So the OC register does a big article on the family business in the paper which leads to an investigation done by a 3rd party that goes on to show that Disneyland shoots more crap into the air per day by shooting fireworks each night than the family business did building products.  For some magical reason Disneyland is not held to the same standards as the other businesses in the area.

Stealing is stealing.....its stealing from a-holes no doubt but it still is stealing.  $4,000 worth?  Heck no.  Maybe that is how they get this silly 5.4 billion figure.  Each movie downloaded is worth 1,000 dollars.  LMAO @ 5.4 billion.  Such a bs figure its not even funny.  I wonder how many "billions" :rolleyes: are spent persuing legal action against grandfathers.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2005, 08:22:03 PM »
Yeah it's stealing, but did the kid put the films up on the website?  The movie producers need to do a better job of protecting their products.  If it can be proven the kid distriuted the films to others, that would be a different matter, but the value of what he did is no greater than renting the videos at a local store.

The industry is stupid about this.  They put out a lot of garbage that isn't worth seeing, movies that are three or four revisions of a television show that sucked in the first place and they're crying about someone stealing?

They practically have a license to print money, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.  They should be going after the people who put the films on the web in the first place, not some grandfather who's kid clicked on a couple of files.

If I'm a judge, I fine the studio for a frivolus nuissance suit, and award the defendants damages for defamation.

 

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2005, 09:45:42 PM »
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If it can be proven the kid distriuted the films to others, that would be a different matter

They're trying to say he did so by using a p2p program, thus he automatically distributed it.

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2005, 10:54:46 AM »
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If it can be proven the kid distriuted the films to others, that would be a different matter

They're trying to say he did so by using a p2p program, thus he automatically distributed it.
That is not always true though and they wont be able to prove this.  You dont have to share files to download and no one may have even downloaded it off him.  They wont ever know so I don't think this will hold up in the case.

Just because the movie is crappy does not still mean it is okay to download.  Again, I was the pirate king at one time but I am being honest here....its illegal no matter what.  If I steal a burger from Mcdonalds should I not get in trouble because in comparison to other burger places the quality of the food sucks and its a piece of meat that sits in a plastic heating drawer for hours?
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2005, 09:55:04 AM »
I agree that stealing is wrong.  But the biggest thieves are the ones you don't know are thieves.  Central Banks and governments are the worst.  They tax you to death, skimming off your productive wealth, and the only reason you need them is because if you didn't have someone pretending to protect you, someone else would try to come in and do the job!

If everyone had the same money- controlled by no-one, nobody could manipulate their currency and we would all be competing on an equal basis.  Then you wouldn't see the violent disruptions in local economies as new areas joined in.  There would be greater stability and slower, but sounder productive growth.

Governments and Central Banks are the worst enemies of mankind!