intersting...Miami the team to beat already?

[Laker Fan]

WK you are making my day! Finally, someone besides me see's something for what it is, I give you props, and hope you stick to your guns, some things just aren't worth intelligent peoples time.

[Reality]

Did you get any hair dye?

[Guest_Randy]

Umm, whose quote is that?  It's not mine, is it?  You stated that Shaq, with Wade and co. can't beat SA -- that's not true, is it?

 

I'm paraphrasing westkoast post.

The RandyRollercoaster is in full effect.  You're actually blasting, oh make that "berating" westkoast over his pick of SA over Miami.  :rofl:

The Reality "twister" is in full effect.

Let's stop and actually try and READ a post, Reality (dbods, can you give us the ability to draw Reality a picture on here -- probably would be best in crayon -- I'm not sure what else the guy can understand).

wk picked SA to beat the Spurs -- did he ever say that Miami couldn't beat SA?  Nope, that wasn't wk -- that was YOU!

When you are wrong, quit trying to deflect to others -- the fact is that YOU stated that Miami couldn't beat SA with Shaq, Wade and co. and the fact is that the ONLY time they played each other last year (with Shaq, Wade and co.) Miami did EXACTLY what you said the COULDN'T do!  

Suck it up -- admit your wrong!  Everybody knows you are -- it's just too funny watching you dance all around this and try and deflect it on to others.  

[Reality]

1.  WK suggests SA will beat Miami, is the favorite etc (which they are).
2.  I confirm he is saying the MDE of 4 decades can't combine with his team to beat SA in '06.  Randy at this point I am razzing WK, do you honestly think I'm going to pick Miami over SA?  This year I picked SA over Det all 7 games knowing full well Det would take at least two.
3 Randy, thinking its me who is choosing Heat over SA in '06 starts to chastise and give reasons why Miami might win.
4.  WK says he is not going to reply to my posts anymore.
5.  Alzheimers Dan, hoping to the tenth power to find someone, anyone to hate on Reality with him is beyond glee.
6.  Randy still thinks I would pick Shaq over TD, even after that last thread.

 :rofl: My sides were splitting last night.

Randy Shaq certainly does have a good chance to take the ECFs.  See Shaq-Duncan thread.  If the "ifs" line up in the Finals, #1 his health #2 his teams health #3 how well Jwill and Ant fit in, yes the Finals are not a given cakewalk for the Spurs.  If the Spurs make it.
Randy I was wrong 26 times last year.
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[Joe Vancil]

You know what, Reality, this is becoming ridiculous.

I consider myself at least somewhat of a Tim Duncan fan, and now I'm even getting sick of your over-hyping him.  God forbid that we'd see the day that Duncan sunk to the level of Kobe for undeserved praise being heaped upon him.

Shaq - not Duncan - is the most dominant player of recent history.  There's not a person on this board nor any other who'll take an objective look at the situation and see it otherwise.  If the person didn't pick Shaq, he'd pick Jordan, and that's only because he's looking at a little earlier of a time period, and would therefore name Shaq the "current most dominant player."

Miami *IS* a title threat.  Miami *IS* a threat to beat San An.  Everyone knows it;  everyone but you admits it.

Let me ask you this - it's the '60s, and Wilt Chamberlain is facing the Boston Celtics.  *WHO* is the most dominant player - Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain?  I say it's Wilt.  But my money is on Boston.  And when I ask who the best player is, I say Russell, based on his's teams track record against Chamberlain.

In the current case, that's Shaq is the most dominant player, my money is on San Antonio, and Shaq - with the Lakers - had the better track record against the Spurs.

(You're going to argue that last point, but the numbers say otherwise:  1999 - Spurs beat Lakers.  2001 Lakers beat Spurs.  2002 - Lakers beat Spurs.  2003 - Spurs beat Lakers.  2004 - Lakers beat Spurs.  That's 3-2, favoring Shaq.)

And finally, while we're at it, let's address Shaq's health.  Over the last two seasons, Shaq has missed 24 games.  Duncan has missed 29.  Right now, I wouldn't call Duncan the "iron man" that he was even just three or four years ago.  In fact, he's starting to resemble....SHAQ.

 

[Reality]

You know what, Reality, this is becoming ridiculous.


Miami *IS* a title threat.  Miami *IS* a threat to beat San An.  Everyone knows it;  everyone but you admits it.

 

It is.  Actually read some of my posts and you will see I definitely call Miami a title threat for 2006.  Also when you geniuses (not necc you specifically Joe) were posting a "Top 10 to build around" in 2002, i was the LONE picker of Shaq, having him at #10.  Scoffed at by the LakerBoys posters.  Whose scoffin now?  
As no one "objective" would pick the MOOAT Laker team of 2003-4 to be beaten.  At least on this board....

In fact it's possible that Duncan will tweak an ankle in the playoffs and Shaq will make it thru '06.  Could be Shaq 4* titles Duncan 3 after this year.

I'll get to your "scoring more must mean better" later.  Tooth appointment. :drunk:  :drunk:

As to "everyone objective" picking Shaq, here is but one:

Better in what area? All around player? I would say right now TD. He has won 3 champs as Shuq but he's years younger and not really had a serious injury. Shaq is definately on the downside of his career and has had numerous injuries over the past several years. Plus Shuq has had better players on his teams where TD has for the most part been a lone star. Shuq getting a 5 year 100 million dollar contract is ridiculas. 20 mil a year for an overwieght, talently challenged, sometimes motivationly challenged banged up over the hill dude is a joke. Maybe a 5 year 10 mil contract would be OK, but not 100 mil. TD is not even 30 yet and he can still improve if he wants. TD should work on his FT shooting (hey Karl Malone used to be terrible when he first came in the league, but he worked on it and became an 80%er).
 
Joe you and I agree Shaq is worth every cent of Heat contract.  Also i do not agree "Shuq" had better players in 2003 04 05.  As for 2000 01 02 puhlease, Dunker had Shaun Elliot out and much less of a chance.

[Joe Vancil]

Actually, I quite firmly believe that Shaq had better players in 2004, for certain.  While you make fun of the team, name one team that has had an All-Star quality starter miss over half the season that didn't stumble.

The 2004 Laker team looked dominant until BOTH of their power forwards went down.  Up until that time, the team was rolling.  That's far from the "MOOAT" that you keep throwing out.

Recently, your posting style was well-described as "He starts out by making a point that I can almost agree with - at least to some extent.  But when he gets challenged on it, he moves further to the extreme side of the part that I don't agree with.  And then, when he's challenged on that, he goes off the deep end where NO ONE can agree with him."  The sad thing is that I can pretty much agree with that assessment.  You start out with reasonable positions which you extrapolate further than ANYONE can agree with.

Take Scola - for instance.  I think he could be solid at the pro level.  WayOut makes the comment "I don't see what all the fuss is about over a guy who's probably going to be a journeyman," and before you know it, you've got Scola as a sure-fire NBA All-Star before he's seen a single game of action.  You point to the Olympics.  I could point to the 1988 Olympics, and say the same thing about Arvydas Sabonis.  Truth is that he never matched his production overseas in the NBA.  And I guarantee you that Scola is nowhere near what Sabonis was in Europe.

I might be able to agree with you on some points - to an extent.  But you take it too far.
 

[Reality]

The 2004 Laker team looked dominant until BOTH of their power forwards went down.  Up until that time, the team was rolling.  That's far from the "MOOAT" that you keep throwing out.

 

They had all 4 HOFs for the playoffs.
For the "they would have won with Malone" squakers,
Gm 1: 44 minutes, 2-9 fgs, ZERO FTs, in Dets 87-75 win.
Gm 2 3-9fgs as they squeeked on a Bryant 3 pter at the buzzer.  Real dominant.

So they were left with only 3 HOFs on the floor to get run by the Pistons.

"Dominant" doesn't squeek by a team in a .4 seconds prayer.

Scola.  World teams are much better now then 1996.  Sabonis was a rare one.  Also the Soviet Union disbanded, that took the wind out of their teams sails.  He would help the Spurs.  That i have to agree with WOW that he will only become a journeyman NBA player?  Nonsense.

At any rate I never have discounted Miamis chances next year.  It's a disturbing trait of a handfull but still too many on this board, twisting posts*, etc.  Some observers find it's a board of many who just like to hear themselves talk, blowhards, posers.  

My Shaq-Duncan thread i fully expected most everyone to choose Shaq.  Fine with me most did.  Surprised Xs3 thought even if Duncan titles the next two years he will only have "a good chance" at catching The Big A.  

*Westkoast if i misread your post of " When Shaq leaves he will get the title "the most dominating player in the last 4 decades" (whether earned or not, depends who you ask...you ask reality you get a no  ) as meaning you embraced that he was MD of 4 decades when in fact you were just stating what others would and will think..I make a retraction.


On this threads topic, I can think of nothing better then a Shaq-Duncan Finals in 2006 with both of them  and their key teams players healthy.

[Guest]

The 2004 Laker team looked dominant until BOTH of their power forwards went down.  Up until that time, the team was rolling.  That's far from the "MOOAT" that you keep throwing out.

 

They had all 4 HOFs for the playoffs.
For the "they would have won with Malone" squakers,
Gm 1: 44 minutes, 2-9 fgs, ZERO FTs, in Dets 87-75 win.
Gm 2 3-9fgs as they squeeked on a Bryant 3 pter at the buzzer.  Real dominant.

So they were left with only 3 HOFs on the floor to get run by the Pistons.

"Dominant" doesn't squeek by a team in a .4 seconds prayer.

Scola.  World teams are much better now then 1996.  Sabonis was a rare one.  Also the Soviet Union disbanded, that took the wind out of their teams sails.  He would help the Spurs.  That i have to agree with WOW that he will only become a journeyman NBA player?  Nonsense.

At any rate I never have discounted Miamis chances next year.  It's a disturbing trait of many on this board, twisting posts*, etc.  Some observers find it's a board of many who just like to hear themselves talk, blowhards, posers.  

My Shaq-Duncan thread i fully expected most everyone to choose Shaq.  Fine.

*Westkoast if i misread your post of " When Shaq leaves he will get the title "the most dominating player in the last 4 decades" (whether earned or not, depends who you ask...you ask reality you get a no  ) as meaning you embraced that he was MD of 4 decades when in fact you were just stating what others would and will think..I make a retraction.



On the threads topic, I can think of nothing better then a Shaq-Duncan Finals in 2006 with both of them healthy.

At any rate I never have discounted Miamis chances next year. It's a disturbing trait of many on this board, twisting posts*, etc. Some observers find it's a board of many who just like to hear themselves talk, blowhards, posers.

The Most Dominant Player of over 4 decades, with Dwayne Wade and co can't beat SA.

Hmm, interesting faces, Reality -- which one is the "real" you?  These two statements seem to be in direct contradiction -- care to shed some light on it?

Some observers find it's a board of many who just like to hear themselves talk, blowhards, posers.

When you can't refute ALWAYS try and reflect, huh?!  Take a poll on this board and see who things who is the poser -- you or Joey V!  You are truly a work of art, Reality -- oh, by the way, when you do your pose for that work of art, make sure the artist truly gets both faces!

[Reality]

When i posted "The Most Dominant Player of over 4 decades, with Dwayne Wade and co can't beat SA." i was questioning westkoast post on the Shaq-Duncan thread of "MD of last 4 decades".

Are Laker Fan Dans relative?
Are you male?
   

[Guest_Randy]

When i posted "The Most Dominant Player of over 4 decades, with Dwayne Wade and co can't beat SA." i was questioning westkoast post on the Shaq-Duncan thread of "MD of last 4 decades".

Are Laker Fan Dans relative?
Are you male?

When i posted "The Most Dominant Player of over 4 decades, with Dwayne Wade and co can't beat SA." i was questioning westkoast post on the Shaq-Duncan thread of "MD of last 4 decades".

Okay, I'm trying to follow you here, Reality -- so when you stated:

"The Most Dominant Player of over 4 decades, with Dwayne Wade and co can't beat SA."

you weren't saying that Miami with Shaq and Wade couldn't beat SA?  

Are Laker Fan Dans relative?
Are you male?

Hey, you just figured out that I wasn't Xs3 -- I'm going to give you a couple of more years to figure out that I'm not everyone else on this board.

[Joe Vancil]

That's right.  CHIEF is everyone else on the board.

Man.  Talk about a name from the past.  I need to write that guy sometime.

 

[WayOutWest]

"Dominant" doesn't squeek by a team in a .4 seconds prayer.

The Spurs were lucky to have Duncan's prayer answered before hand.  One luck shot deserves another.  Not to mention there was actually .8 left on the clock but the Spurs employed timekeeper did everyting he could to hand the Spurs the game.

That i have to agree with WOW that he will only become a journeyman NBA player?  Nonsense.

Bank on it, journeyman.

[Laker Fan]

Hmm, easily one of, if not the most, non-aggressive, reasonable, knowledgable, and even-tempered posters on this board (JoeV) finally is driven to frustration and an uncharacteristic chastisement of the lunatic fringe on this board, along with WK, this is telling, very telling.

I will weigh in here and seeing as everyone that matters on this board is well aware of my disdain, nay, outright disgust, for the actions and behaviour of "the big full of himself" egomaniac, it should be clear it is not bias on my part, but Shaq is, will continue to be, the most dominant player of this era or any era in the forseeable future, No one, and I do mean NO ONE, demands the defensive pressure of the opposing team like he does, and no one, and I do mean NO ONE, can impact a game just by stepping on the floor like he can, and he has ALL the numbers to back it up, lawd a'mighty, can you imagine how amazing he would be if he gave 100% every night?!?!?!?! People would be saying Michael who? He is the most dominating player of his era while has put at out no more than an average of I'd say maybe 80% effort, scary, very scary.

One more thing, funny how Duncan is all of a sudden the lone talent on the Spurs when you compare him to Shaq who had Wade and poor Duncan did it all by his little self. It seems to me some people here (ok just one) swore Manu Giobili made Kobe Bryant look like a kindergartner, and along with Robert Horry and the defensive stud Bruce Bowen this was one mighty nasty team with all that talent. And now, Shaq has the advantage of Wade in the frontcourt and Ginobili is a non-factor.

Let's put this in perspective, if it were not for Robert Horry, and ONLY Robert Horry, in game 5, the parade would have taken place in the Motor City this year, Duncan was high scorer in exactly ONE game, he was high scorer on his team exactly 3 games, the only place he dominated was on the glass, and he gave half of that back with his atrocious freethrow shooting, which was worse even than Shaq. I like Duncan, always have, class guy, but better player than Shaq? Please, not in any real sports fans wildest dreams, Shaq is a better rebounder, passer, has better foot work, better blocker, overall defender, post threat, gets position on his defender better, demands more defensive attention, shoots freethrows on par with Duncan, really the only edge Duncan has is an outside shot, but who wants the center settling for outside jumpers? Really for that matter, who wants their power forward settling for them? Seems to me, a certain one has been critical of Karl Malone for shooting outside jumpers but oh wow, Tim is a double threat!!!!! Can go inside or kill you from 18 feet!!!!!

Telling, very telling.

[Reality]

Telling, very telling.

As was talking to some "real" Pasadena folks for me.