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Offline SPURSX3

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« on: August 03, 2005, 09:29:50 AM »
biggest player moves on this trade look like walker to miami and jones to memphis....


the heat are putting a lot of hope on walker if they are willing to let jones go.  They are both good shooters, but I dont know if I would have moved him for walker.  I guess it must have worked for the heat as far as money goes.  I still think this move may have hurt them a bit in the long run.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2005, 09:36:53 AM »
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biggest player moves on this trade look like walker to miami and jones to memphis....

Posey will be the best player Miami acquires.  If Walker doesn't get in the way he could help them.

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2005, 09:43:24 AM »
I think adding Walker was a big mistake.  We'll see.  

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2005, 09:49:18 AM »
IMO, Posey is EXACTLY what Miami needs (if he can stay healthy).  Miami needs a great 3 point shooter and I think that Posey's 3 point percentage will JUMP up with the defensive attention Shaq and Wade demand.  This is a GREAT sign for Miami.
Williams as the Heat PG?  The guy has great court vision but he can't shoot (of course, neither could Dooling) -- I really think they would be better off allowing Wade to run the PG position and start Posey at SG.  I still think they are making a mistake letting EJ go -- this guy is a HUGE defensive stopper, works tirelessly and puts the team above himself.  

Walker -- gosh, where to start with this guy!!!  Walker really helped Boston in the least half of the season -- and Walker should realize pretty quickly that he is the 3rd (or possibly 4th) option on the Heat.  If he can accept that role, he may help Miami -- if he can't, Shaq can always sqaush him like a bug.

The Heat had some GREAT chemistry last year -- I'm not sure why they are so willing to tinker with that chemistry.  Riles just has a REALLY hard time being satisfied with his squad -- and this has led him to kill the franchise once before -- will it happen again?  Only time will tell.


Why do the Jazz want Greg Ostertag back?  Granted, they didn't give up much to get him but I don't understand that!!!

Why are the Hornets excited about the two players they received in the deal?  Nothing about those players excites me!

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2005, 10:10:34 AM »
"The Heat had some GREAT chemistry last year -- I'm not sure why they are so willing to tinker with that chemistry."

Not quite sure myself.  Why even move anyone?  Then to top it off they make moves to get Walker and Williams?

One of the gripes last year was that Shaq was not being force fed the ball.  What better way to deal with that then by letting Jason "Crap I better shoot theres 22 seconds on the shot clock" Williams and Ant "35 foot 3 pointer" Walker join the squad.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2005, 10:12:14 AM »
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the heat are putting a lot of hope on walker if they are willing to let jones go.
Did Shraq orchestrate the ousting of Jones in L.A.

Seems like Shaq did not like him then....wonder about now.

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2005, 11:26:35 AM »
I'm most curious as to why Miami was willing to give up Rasual Butler.

The acquisition of Posey is an AWESOME move for Miami, and Williams insures them against the loss of Damon Jones.  Walker, if he's there for bench depth, isn't a bad pick-up...otherwise, he *IS* a bad pickup.

Utah loses big, Memphis wins big, Miami wins big, New Orleans helps themselves, and Boston better have some clue as to what they're doing other than just trying to corner the market on injury-prone centers.  And if that's the case, Desagana Diop is still out there.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2005, 12:06:08 PM »
No question the most important acquisition for the Heat is NOT Walker or Posey, but Williams.

They are going to hand the offense over to Jason to run. He can be great, or he can be a huge mistake, but at some point Williams is going to aggrevate either his own team or the team they are playing at the time.

It should be very interesting to see how guys like Walker and Shaq handle his entry passes. Shaq, for one, has never had a point guard quite like Williams before. The ball is going to appear near his hands at times like magic and while he has above average hands for a guy his size, Jason has not always had teammates who ever got used to that.

Most of Williams passing history, which started with the Kings, resulted in his teammates often not even looking for the ball to come whizzing their way, resulting in terrible looking turnovers. He has gotten away from that, it seems, during his time in Memphis, but with a new team, that may be a factor early on.

I always thought that Jason's bad rep was overstated. Doug Christie, who also would run the offense back then, looked much, much worse to me when he tried to be fancy in passing the ball. Most of Jason's passes were on the money, but so unexpected they would sail pass their intended recipient.    
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2005, 12:06:40 PM »
Joe: did sloan and snyder not get along?  was snyder a malcontent?

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2005, 12:20:00 PM »
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No question the most important acquisition for the Heat is NOT Walker or Posey, but Williams.

They are going to hand the offense over to Jason to run. He can be great, or he can be a huge mistake, ...

I always thought that Jason's bad rep was overstated.
If the Heat get the "good" Jason Williams and the "good' Ant Walker, look out.

If so that will pop those of the  "Jerry West Best GM" like -poof-.

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2005, 12:40:40 PM »
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No question the most important acquisition for the Heat is NOT Walker or Posey, but Williams.

They are going to hand the offense over to Jason to run. He can be great, or he can be a huge mistake, ...

I always thought that Jason's bad rep was overstated.

If so that will pop those of the  "Jerry West Best GM" like -poof-.
Uhhh no.  You can wish with all your might that one move by Pat Riley is going to put him over Jerry West who had the Lakers in the playoffs for 2 decades straight and quite a number of championships.....Even you cant be drunk enough off hater juice to even believe what you posted.

JoMaL...what Jason did in the playoffs that year against the Lakers is what got him that bad wrap.  He was pretty bad in that series if you ask me.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2005, 12:49:26 PM »
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Uhhh no.  You can wish with all your might that one move by Pat Riley is going to put him over Jerry West who had the Lakers in the playoffs for 2 decades straight and quite a number of championships.....Even you cant be drunk enough off hater juice to even believe what you posted.

 
Truth is, Red had the Celts in 3 decades and more titles then you can ever wish for.

It all ended.  Alzheimers.  I hope it doesnt happen to Jerry but none of us are immune.  Bring on the '06 playoffs and lets see what happens with JWill and AntWalker on the Heat.  Ditto Eddie Jones and Memphis.

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2005, 01:34:37 PM »
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JoMaL...what Jason did in the playoffs that year against the Lakers is what got him that bad wrap.  He was pretty bad in that series if you ask me.
That also was his rookie year and he had an acute case of the jitters in that series. I personally think he was so criticized after that initial year, he never was quite the same, flamboyant player he was up to then and he quit doing much of what got him recognized constantly on ESPN, both good and bad.

After so many years, he still hasn't returned to that initial player he first was in his rookie year
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2005, 02:00:54 PM »
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Joe: did sloan and snyder not get along? was snyder a malcontent?

That's the word I'm hearing.  Apparently, a lot of it stems from his play in the summer league.  I know he played below expectations, but some of the things I've heard make me wonder if it's not a case of justifying the decision after it happened...because some of the ways he supposedly acted are too ridiculous to believe.

I know that I liked what I saw in the guy last year.

I also know that we started falling apart when he was put on the roster.

I don't have a good feel for how much was Snyder's fault.

 
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2005, 03:28:41 PM »
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JoMaL...what Jason did in the playoffs that year against the Lakers is what got him that bad wrap.  He was pretty bad in that series if you ask me.
That also was his rookie year and he had an acute case of the jitters in that series. I personally think he was so criticized after that initial year, he never was quite the same, flamboyant player he was up to then and he quit doing much of what got him recognized constantly on ESPN, both good and bad.

After so many years, he still hasn't returned to that initial player he first was in his rookie year
I actually thought he did much better in Memphis.  He still has somewhat of a trigger finger but not quite as bad as that serious.

Honestly, it wasnt  worse than when Kobe thought he was Reggie Miller against the Jazz in the playoffs.

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