F4

[Derek Bodner]

Heh.

That reminds me.  I had recently (like within the week) gone back and picked up a copy of ultimate spiderman, not knowing it was in the past.  I was reading it and it said parker was a 10th grader.  I almost choked.  I thought marvel, during the 5 or so years I haven't really read, did something incredibly stupid like erased years of continuity just for the hell of it to get a fresh start.

luckily, I found out it was only the "ultimate" lines.  Are these worth reading?

[Skandery]

Derek,

Basically they decided to bring a fresh, "modern" spin on all the top name Marvel Series'.  They decided to start over with a brand new universe.  So with the hiring of Joe Quesada as Editor-n-Chief of Marvel about 5 or so years ago, they came out with the "Ultimate" Universe.  The first on-going series was Spiderman.  The impressive thing about Ultimate Spiderman is its had its original writer (Brian Michael Bendis) and artist (Mark Bagley) for its entire run since its inception and they're still going strong, and that series is in its 70s.  Something very rare nowadays.  Ultimate X-Men was the second series to come out.  Mark Millar and Adam Kubert started that series but both have since left and there has a been a slew of writers (mostly good) and artists (some great, some very very BAD) on that series.  Lots of new series and mini-series would soon follow (The Ultimates-Avengers, Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ultimate War, Ultimate Daredevil/Elektra).  

The only series I've collected from the Ultimate line are X-Men (all of it), FF (first story) and the Ultimates before it was cancelled, its since been restarted but I haven't gone back.  The two mini-series I have is Ultimate War and the Daredevil one.  

X-Men is awesome, the first 12 issues especially., the fresh spin on all of the mutants is always interesting, consistency is its problem.  
War was an Avengers/X-Men fight Magneto cross-over.  
Daredevil was good but sappy, more in the way of relationships instead of ass-kicking.  
FF was not very impressive.  
And the Ultimates was great just to behold the beauty that is Bryan Hitch's work.  Although I've never bought any, I always hear great things about Spiderman and what I've read has been pretty good.                    

[Wolverine]

Alright "Wolverine", you're telling me Doctor Doom some twisted royal transylvanian cry-baby is bigger than the Master of Magnetism.  The end all - be all badass of them all.  This is the guy who ripped the adamantium from "your" bones, the guy whose threatened the planet from an Asteroid of doom, a freakin' deity to those acolytes, the guy who destroyed New York in the first Ult. XM story and proceeded to destroy it again in the Ultimate Lines first big crossover.  Let's not forget that minor detail when his essence (alongside the Professor's evil psyche) KILLED ALL THE MARVEL HEROES.

So why don't we put this to a poll...hmmmmmm?

Le sigh...

Of course I think Magneto is a better character.  I'm a bigger X-Men fan than a FF fan.  I was implying that MOST comic fans would consider Doom to be THE premier villain in the Marvel Universe.  How do I know this?  Because many have told me as such.  "Wizard the Comic Magazine" states it time and time again.  It annoys me, but what can you do?

So put up this "poll" of yours.  It will do you NO GOOD, because the Doctor will have his revenge!  You hear me, Yalaloui???  HE WILL HAVE HIS REVENGE!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  *evil laugh*

[SPURSX3]

Just tragic, really.

It's got me up nights, believe you me?

The FF movie I will NOT see, thanks to them crapping all over the ESSENCE of the biggest villain in the Marvel Universe (sorry Skander, but he is).

Alright "Wolverine", you're telling me Doctor Doom some twisted royal transylvanian cry-baby is bigger than the Master of Magnetism.  The end all - be all badass of them all.  This is the guy who ripped the adamantium from "your" bones, the guy whose threatened the planet from an Asteroid of doom, a freakin' deity to those acolytes, the guy who destroyed New York in the first Ult. XM story and proceeded to destroy it again in the Ultimate Lines first big crossover.  Let's not forget that minor detail when his essence (alongside the Professor's evil psyche) KILLED ALL THE MARVEL HEROES.

So why don't we put this to a poll...hmmmmmm?

Now while I love Mutants - Doom is a BAAAAAAAAD man.  You cant knnock him.  Magneto has IMO is on the same level as Doom.  They are both as ferocious as one another - however I will say Doom has always been more patient and maniacal in his evil.  Still, I would say niether of them could hold a candle to En Sabah Nur - you are talking about a force of nature more so than a character with him.  Apocalypse IS what being a villian is suppossed to be about IMO.

[spursfan101]

Here's the scoop on Spidey and F4.

Marvel came out with MARVEL KNIGHTS SPIDERMAN, which is a comic geared to adults. Darker storylines, sexual situations, I started reading it last year, and I love it. MARVEL AGE Spiderman is for kids, I don't read that. I do read AMAZING SPIDERMAN and SPECTACULAR SPIDERMAN though, and I really enjoy those. There's a give and take with comic book titles, at times, the stories are great, they they will switch off and start a new arch that just sucks, then they will come back with good stuff.  I LOVED the storyline of bringing back Gwen Stacy's kids in Amazing Spiderman and later continued in Spectacular Spiderman. The idea that Gwen got pregnant and had children BEFORE she died was captivating, and how her kids had mutant powers and wanted to KILL Peter Parker for abandoning them was killer!  MUST READ!!!!!!

[Skandery]

Le sigh...

Of course I think Magneto is a better character. I'm a bigger X-Men fan than a FF fan. I was implying that MOST comic fans would consider Doom to be THE premier villain in the Marvel Universe. How do I know this? Because many have told me as such. "Wizard the Comic Magazine" states it time and time again. It annoys me, but what can you do?

So put up this "poll" of yours. It will do you NO GOOD, because the Doctor will have his revenge! You hear me, Yalaloui??? HE WILL HAVE HIS REVENGE!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *evil laugh*

I know that you think Magneto is cooler.  I'm arguing that he is the premier villain, not the cooler villain.  From my point of view (which I admit is somewhat biased towards X-Men) it seems that Magneto has shaken the foundations of goodness and prosperity moreso than Doctor Doom.  Perhaps you could sway me with some examples.  Now I'm aware of Wizards claims of omniscency everytime one of these discussions breaks out but it's not enough for me.  If they were to ever band together, I just don't see Magneto taking orders from Doom, I see it the other way around if at all.  

Still, I would say niether of them could hold a candle to En Sabah Nur - you are talking about a force of nature more so than a character with him. Apocalypse IS what being a villian is suppossed to be about IMO.

 

X3, if you think Apocaplyse is a force of nature, what do you call Galactus!  Here's a guy that could eat the planet for a midnight snack without a second's thought.  
And guys how about the early 90s when Thanos had his run with the Infinity Gauntlet, that was pretty far-reaching and impactful.  

[SPURSX3]

Le sigh...

Of course I think Magneto is a better character. I'm a bigger X-Men fan than a FF fan. I was implying that MOST comic fans would consider Doom to be THE premier villain in the Marvel Universe. How do I know this? Because many have told me as such. "Wizard the Comic Magazine" states it time and time again. It annoys me, but what can you do?

So put up this "poll" of yours. It will do you NO GOOD, because the Doctor will have his revenge! You hear me, Yalaloui??? HE WILL HAVE HIS REVENGE!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *evil laugh*

I know that you think Magneto is cooler.  I'm arguing that he is the premier villain, not the cooler villain.  From my point of view (which I admit is somewhat biased towards X-Men) it seems that Magneto has shaken the foundations of goodness and prosperity moreso than Doctor Doom.  Perhaps you could sway me with some examples.  Now I'm aware of Wizards claims of omniscency everytime one of these discussions breaks out but it's not enough for me.  If they were to ever band together, I just don't see Magneto taking orders from Doom, I see it the other way around if at all.  

Still, I would say niether of them could hold a candle to En Sabah Nur - you are talking about a force of nature more so than a character with him. Apocalypse IS what being a villian is suppossed to be about IMO.

X3, if you think Apocaplyse is a force of nature, what do you call Galactus!  Here's a guy that could eat the planet for a midnight snack without a second's thought.  
And guys how about the early 90s when Thanos had his run with the Infinity Gauntlet, that was pretty far-reaching and impactful.

OHHH I had not even thought about Galactus, talk about OLD SCHOOL!  Thanos was kind of cheesy to be honest, what he got beat by a tarzan wanna be (i got the comic, Kazar I think is his name?  That's just weak.)

As for Doom taking orders from Magneto, your wrong Skandery, Doom is the type of character how would not EVER enter into a situation without knowing before hand what to expect.  In other words, if Doom were to align, he would most assureadly protect himself and create an upper hand for himself through science.  more than likely the story would go he makes it impossible for magneto to control him through magnetism.    B)  

[Wolverine]

As for Doom taking orders from Magneto, your wrong Skandery, Doom is the type of character how would not EVER enter into a situation without knowing before hand what to expect.  In other words, if Doom were to align, he would most assureadly protect himself and create an upper hand for himself through science.  more than likely the story would go he makes it impossible for magneto to control him through magnetism.    B)

Funny, but that's pretty much what I was going to type.

But personally, if Doom and Magneto somehow ended up in an alliance, I think it end with both of them dead on the floor.

[Skandery]

But personally, if Doom and Magneto somehow ended up in an alliance, I think it end with both of them dead on the floor.

And then coming back to life in the miniseries:

"Supervillains Unite: The Sequel"

[SPURSX3]

As for Doom taking orders from Magneto, your wrong Skandery, Doom is the type of character how would not EVER enter into a situation without knowing before hand what to expect.  In other words, if Doom were to align, he would most assureadly protect himself and create an upper hand for himself through science.  more than likely the story would go he makes it impossible for magneto to control him through magnetism.    B)

Funny, but that's pretty much what I was going to type.

But personally, if Doom and Magneto somehow ended up in an alliance, I think it end with both of them dead on the floor.

I think that issue might be more of a hilarious comedy....  

[Reality]

I've never found Jessica Alba to be the absolute hottest thing on Earth which seems to be the latest trend recently.

She may not be the hottest thing going for a lot but, are you saying she has no effect on you whatsoever?  Are you in good health?

With Alba for me it's also how she is portrayed in F4.  I love that dynamic of her trying to get Reed to reignite his romance for her.

Otherwise its the beauty in the eye of the beholder.

Jessica Simpson you can have.  Blah.  Phony personality cancells out any curvage she has going on for me.

[Skandery]

She may not be the hottest thing going for a lot but, are you saying she has no effect on you whatsoever? Are you in good health?

I never said no effect whatsoever, the chick's hot I grant you.  But it seems everwhere I turn these days, Alba this Alba that...Alba, Alba, oh, oh Alba.  

I mean there are a lot hotter to go crazy for:  Nicole Kidman, Salma Hayek, Reese Witherspoon, Halle Berry, Scarlett Johanson, etc.  But like you said beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I just think its the media's need to latch onto a person for a couple months, 'til someone is like fine, okay, I get it-she's hot.  I will say one thing for Alba, her F4 costume was a nice fit. B)        

[Reality]

10-4.  And while Alba is this few months hyped hottie, you're correct a few months or years it's someone else.  While they are hyped, the amount of airbrushing and *special effects* is staggering.  Have you ever watched the shows or saw the internet shots of starlets without their makeup?  Oh my goodness. :eek2:

Christina Agualerra (sp) has no eyebrowns whatsoever.  Gonzo.  Her eyelashes are also about gone.  Britney Spears ditto.  Pam Anderson egads!  

Back to F4 I dont know whats up with Albas upper lip but it looks like she may have done that awful Hollyweird custom of having it shot up with some crap to enlarge.  Chicks who do this look so unnatural IMO.  I mean if a girl has some greatly underdeveloped upper lip, then okay shoot.  But this trend of having the upper lip like a cows is just weird looking.

Angie Joline a few years ago supposedly a drool inducer.  Didn't effect me at all.  

 

[Skandery]

Angie Joline a few years ago supposedly a drool inducer. Didn't effect me at all.

Didn't affect you at all, are you in good health.





See the movie "Original Sin" and get back to me...

[Reality]

Angie Joline a few years ago supposedly a drool inducer. Didn't effect me at all.

Didn't affect you at all, are you in good health.

See the movie "Original Sin" and get back to me...

I'll have to check her out in OS another day.

For now, can anyone tell me, without ruining the sequel due out in 2006....
DareDevil.  The scene that made me sick is where BullsEye has the complete upper hand on both Electra and the injured DD, injured by Elecktra who thought he was the one who killed her father with his cane.  In fact it was BullsEye who just barely got it past DD, nipping the outside corner.

He stabs Elecktra in the stomach.  Is she dead?  If not then Stan Lee has some explaining to do.  
DD himself is lying there all injured.  Why didnt BullsEye finish DD off right then and there?  Instead he throws the signature rose on Electra then splits.

I was disapointed how BullsEye also kicked DDs butt in the church.  Seems the only way DD survived is the police bullet that just luckily went thru Bulls hands.

Can't stand BullsEye....