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« on: March 09, 2005, 11:55:39 PM »
Spurs, missing Tim and Manu from tonights game, lost a very tight game to a healthy Suns team, losing by only 6pts.  While I'm proud of the Spurs for keeping up and making this game close throughout, I'm really wondering about  the Suns killer instincts. Most teams would want this to be a statement game (I would think).

I'm also troubled by a play I saw at the end of the game. Spurs down by 4, Amare gets a loose rebound and slams it home with under a minute left. Impressive. THEN, he STARES at the Spurs bench to make a statement,   :crazy:  all the while, not getting back on defense in time for the Spurs to get a quick 3 pt play.  C'mon Amare, hope you learn from mistakes like that.  

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2005, 12:00:58 AM »
I think the suns come away looking bad with this win dude.  no tim and manu and they only win by 6?  c'mon.  they better worry about us going into the playoffs, even if they get the home court advantage, i'm pretty sure we got their number.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2005, 09:08:31 AM »
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Spurs, missing Tim and Manu from tonights game, lost a very tight game to a healthy Suns team, losing by only 6pts.  While I'm proud of the Spurs for keeping up and making this game close throughout, I'm really wondering about  the Suns killer instincts. Most teams would want this to be a statement game (I would think).

I'm also troubled by a play I saw at the end of the game. Spurs down by 4, Amare gets a loose rebound and slams it home with under a minute left. Impressive. THEN, he STARES at the Spurs bench to make a statement,   :crazy:  all the while, not getting back on defense in time for the Spurs to get a quick 3 pt play.  C'mon Amare, hope you learn from mistakes like that.
The stare was hilarious, did you Hear Sean Elliot making fun of him on the air when he did that?!  hilarious.  i had the radio on too and the announcers on the radio were cracking up over Amare staring like he dunked on a superstar...talk ab out weak.  Tony dropping 30 was sweet.  If the Suns feel good about this heading into the playoffs they got to be kidding themselves.  we still own the tie breaker so if we end the season tied we still get the homecourt, no biggie if we dont though.  I worry more about seattle than I do against phoenix, seattle can still go of on you, and Fortson is doing a real good job on the glass this year.  Should we run into the Suns in the playoffs, I want a sweep, just to show those fools a lesson.  I was expecting to get routed last night after hearing Manu was not even going to play either, but by the third quarter and we are only down by 3 points, i was cracking up.  gotta love sean elliott, he can call it like it is - he and steve kerr as announcers are the best.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2005, 12:43:06 PM »
You're kidding yourseves if you think the Suns will be a cakewalk.  They won the game, and could care less about how many they won by.

They're young and can shoot.  The Spurs are old and can't stay with them in the open court.  The Spurs have experience, but that may not be enough.  

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2005, 04:27:57 PM »
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You're kidding yourseves if you think the Suns will be a cakewalk.  They won the game, and could care less about how many they won by.

They're young and can shoot.  The Spurs are old and can't stay with them in the open court.  The Spurs have experience, but that may not be enough.
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cake walk no, but come on Rick, what kind of bait is that! LOL


No Tim, no Manu, and only won by 6.  Sorry if I disagree about taking on the Suns and winning in 4 Rick.  I got faith in my team, ust got to keep on rolling and we should be ok come playof time.  Hell I am more nervous about the east teams now than I am of the Suns (and yes, I know i can have this fly back in my face later) but the Heat ae starting to make me nervous with the good play all season.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2005, 04:46:52 PM »
I'd tell you more about the Heat, but I was so disgusted with the way the Sicksers were playing I started switching channels.

Seriously though, I think the Suns are a difficult team to beat, because of their athleticism and outside shooting.  They're a young team so they don't have a defined personality yet, but their gaining confidence.

Their biggest obstacle, is that there are few teams that can push them to their limits.  You learn a lot about your team and it's strengths and weaknesses in a tight, pressure game.

Never take solace in your team only loosing by 4 or 6, particularly against a young team that's psycologically immature.  You should be more worried about why your subs COULDN't step up and take a close game.  

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2005, 05:42:52 PM »
Phoenix is no cakewalk for anyone.

Phoenix is playing with an ultra-confident swagger that is infectious on this team.  Even if they're playing San An, they've got that swagger, and in the NBA world, that swagger holds sway with the officials.

As Skander said it, "Somebody needs to knock that swagger out of them," and I agree that that's what it's going to take.  Think a Pat Riley Knicks team or a Chuck Daley Pistons team beating the tar out of them physically.  And that kind of thing is exceptionally effective against Steve Nash - the person who makes the machine that is the Suns go.

That game was more important for San Antonio than it was for Phoenix.  And San An lost.

If you've got your foot on the throat of an opponent, you've got to finish the job.  San An didn't, and it just might come back to hurt them - Duncan/Ginobili or no.

 
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2005, 06:03:08 PM »
Actually, I want to point something else out -- when a team has a player like TD on it -- you come prepared to play a defense intent upon stopping TD.  When he is gone, it does two things:  1) it causes you to let down your guard a bit; and 2) it causes you to become unprepared about what the team is going to do.  

I think it's important to remember what Phoenix has done three times now to SA -- and that speaks volumes, IMO.  I still think that SA is the better team but it would be a HUGE mistake for SA to take them lightly.  Steve Nash makes a HUGE difference for this team -- and he brings them ready to play.  There isn't a player on SA that can stop him either -- the question is can they slow him down.  

Phoenix and Seattle are BOTH being dismissed because they are a "jumpshooting" team -- and people aren't recognizing either teams full game!

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2005, 07:45:40 PM »
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Actually, I want to point something else out -- when a team has a player like TD on it -- you come prepared to play a defense intent upon stopping TD.  When he is gone, it does two things:  1) it causes you to let down your guard a bit; and 2) it causes you to become unprepared about what the team is going to do.  

I think it's important to remember what Phoenix has done three times now to SA -- and that speaks volumes, IMO.  I still think that SA is the better team but it would be a HUGE mistake for SA to take them lightly.  Steve Nash makes a HUGE difference for this team -- and he brings them ready to play.  There isn't a player on SA that can stop him either -- the question is can they slow him down.  

Phoenix and Seattle are BOTH being dismissed because they are a "jumpshooting" team -- and people aren't recognizing either teams full game!
Randy, I dont take seattle lightly at all, they match up against us better and with fortson in the middle they are actually a tough match up for us.  

Joe/Skander, I DONT think this game was anymore important to the Spurs IMO, for starters Phoenix has been running all out to try to catch up with us after they ran Nash into the IL - the running game and the minutes that phoenix plays it's starters is the difference between the Spurs and the Suns, they are running Nash ragged and injury may very well catch up to him again before the playoffs - for right now, Nash really is the MVP because without him the Suns are not very good - which is exactly why we took the lead in the standing against them.  I know they are good, they wouldnt have the record they have if they were not.  I just think that not havgin the TWO top players on the court last night should not be ignored.

as for the Spurs Scrubs, well, you kow to be honest considering they did nto have Manu's scoring and all around freakyness on the court as well as Tim, losing by 6 is a hell of an accomplishment considering the scoring output the Suns are used to.  I dont see the fact that our scrubs lost by 6 as a concern - I expected to lose by MORE LOL.  so to lose by 6 was very surprising to me, and I think it was a very good effort by my squad.  Now yes phoenix has confidence and swagger, that showed in Amare staring down our bench in the fourth - again, no Tim Duncan playing that night.  come  playoff time, With Tim and Manu in the game, expect more steals, more points and better shooting percentage by the Spurs.  Tim i the game changes the Suns offense and defense.  think about it, the suns did NOT have to collapse on Tim or Manu last night, they only had Tony to really worry about, so the inside outside threat was NOT there last night,  defensively, the suns showed have had a better game plan on defense last night to be honest, the fact that they didnt and our team was able to keep up last night shows more positives for the Spurs than it does the suns last night.  they could have really shut us down and just tony score and beaten us by A LOT more IMO.  So good showing by my squad I think.  I think the way the Suns play they really should have unloaded on us last night - they did in the first half - but they dropped the ball and we caught up quick.  :D   Had Tim and Manu been in the game, I think we would have beaten them nicely last night - but you know, woulda coulda shoulda it doesnt matter, they still got the "w" but we still got the tie breaker so the pressure really is still on the suns to get more wins in order to have home court.  I am not saying it wont happen, it is very possible, especially if Tim's injury keeps coming up.  As long as we play our game we should be alright, and rolling into the playoffs will just get our machine in tune more.  Defense wins titles, and there is no way the Suns can get us on that.   B)

dont mistake this for cockyness guys, if we meet seattle, i will be sweating like you wouldnt believe, that is about the only team in the west that scares me right now.

 
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2005, 10:27:13 PM »
here is an intersting tidbit from Tony Parker...


Parker: Our Team is Hurting
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Thursday, March 10, 2005



Tony Parker, in an interview on his website, says that the Spurs are hurting.

"Manu is broken everywhere. He is not on top physically, that's why Pop has décided to give him some rest... Tim, his ankle still make him suffer... At the end of the 3rd (during last night's Suns game), I had 30 points, with a good FG's average (14/25). I gave so much, that I couldn't do anything more during money-time. Physically, I was dead... Suns had fix, a big D on me, but the weren't able to stop me. Unfortunately, (my tiredness) was stronger. And to tell the truth, I shouldn't have played this game."

When asked if he was playing injured, Parker was quite frank.

"I'm not well physically. I have tendinitises on my knees, and and my thighs have been blown in the last games. With Pop, we decided not to play this game, but as Tim and Manu couldn't play, I couldn't do anything else than playing the game."

Parker says he hopes to get some rest and be ready for the game against Denver.

"I have 3 days ahead me to take care and rest. I believe it will be enough."

Visit Tony's Website for more information by clicking on the link below the photo.


 
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 09:38:55 AM »
Spursx3 -- what NBA player doesn't play through injury?  I'm not sure that there are very many players who aren't playing through tendinitis, etc. because of the demands of the game.  The Spurs strength was supposed to be the strength of their bench and the ability for players to step up.  I guess my problem with Parker's comments are how is he any different from Steve Nash?  When Nash steps off the floor for Phoenix the Suns struggles tremendously -- Nash has been injured, still isn't 100% and the Suns have got to play him as many minutes as he can handle because without him the Suns are a mediocre team.  

The Suns are going to struggle with quick PG's -- while Nash is a great offensive/team player, he isn't a very good defensive player and he is the only one quick enough to keep up with Parker.  However, I think you have to MAKE Parker beat you -- and I don't think he can do it.  The Lakers have proven that over the years -- you keep TD from beating you, put pressure on the rest of the team and make the other teammates beat you.  I think the Suns focus on TD and Manu -- make Parker, Bowen, Rasho and the rest beat them -- I think if they can do that, then they have a REAL shot at taking the Spurs.  Of course, I still think the Spurs have the edge -- because they have TD.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 10:18:02 AM »
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Spursx3 -- what NBA player doesn't play through injury?  I'm not sure that there are very many players who aren't playing through tendinitis, etc. because of the demands of the game.  The Spurs strength was supposed to be the strength of their bench and the ability for players to step up.  I guess my problem with Parker's comments are how is he any different from Steve Nash?  When Nash steps off the floor for Phoenix the Suns struggles tremendously -- Nash has been injured, still isn't 100% and the Suns have got to play him as many minutes as he can handle because without him the Suns are a mediocre team. 

 
What NBA player doesn't play thru an injury?  Just Shaq.  But maybe the new and improved Heat Shaq will.  B)

Randoph is making some sense.  However while lots have to play thru nagging stuff, I don't want to see Parker, GNob or for that matter Nash or anyone else play thru an injury that is going to further damage them.

 :hail:  Devin Brown has been fantastic.
Not sure that Brent Barry is doing what the Spurs thought he would do.
He has some great games but overall he is playing good D and transition but very little O for the minutes he plays.  Nor Horry, altho heaven forbid getting you three started on that again.  

Randolph, the Lakers stopping Parker "over the years" would be better summed up as "1 for 2."
He's only been in 3 years.  Toss out the rookie year.  2003 he roasted Kobme, DFish and the Lakers.  Last year Parker along with the entire jumpshooting Spurs went entirely flat against Malone and Co.  Concur they stopped them last year cold.  We're still missing that Stephen Jackson-Stevie Kerr types that could snap the Spurs out of a shooting slump faster then you could say "Championship".

This years playoffs are a statement for Parker.  But he needs the backup like he had in '03.  SpeedyC, Kerr,  Jackson (while not a backup a slumpbreaker).  Devin Brown has already been great in the playoffs and will come thru again.  Beno Udrih i think will come thru in the playoffs as a backup.  Barry on O I dunno.  I hope so.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2005, 11:12:10 AM »
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Spursx3 -- what NBA player doesn't play through injury?  I'm not sure that there are very many players who aren't playing through tendinitis, etc. because of the demands of the game.  The Spurs strength was supposed to be the strength of their bench and the ability for players to step up.  I guess my problem with Parker's comments are how is he any different from Steve Nash?  When Nash steps off the floor for Phoenix the Suns struggles tremendously -- Nash has been injured, still isn't 100% and the Suns have got to play him as many minutes as he can handle because without him the Suns are a mediocre team.  

The Suns are going to struggle with quick PG's -- while Nash is a great offensive/team player, he isn't a very good defensive player and he is the only one quick enough to keep up with Parker.  However, I think you have to MAKE Parker beat you -- and I don't think he can do it.  The Lakers have proven that over the years -- you keep TD from beating you, put pressure on the rest of the team and make the other teammates beat you.  I think the Suns focus on TD and Manu -- make Parker, Bowen, Rasho and the rest beat them -- I think if they can do that, then they have a REAL shot at taking the Spurs.  Of course, I still think the Spurs have the edge -- because they have TD.
Randy I am not saying I disagree with you or anything, this was taken from an article on Tony's website.  I Know that most players play through the pain - Manu only takes one day off for injury usually (not sure if he will play against denver or not).  And yes our bench is strong, the fact that we were able to keep up with the second best team in the NBA, is proof of that to me, IMO if the suns wanted to send US a statement they should have creamed us - No Tim, we are supposedly nothing, no Tim no Manu - we shouldnt even be in the league. but yet without the two we kept the game close and the Suns really had to work to win the game.  It would have been nice to win the game - but hey like I said, the pressue is still on the Suns, if we end the season with the same record - we still get home court advantage through the playoffs.  It could go either way right now to be honest.  I think the fact that our team without its two best players being able to keep the game close is great, it just would have been greater to win as well - but it was not a full squad that game, htere are several other teams in the league who have full squads that played the suns and became toast - losing by 6 is not toast, make no mistake, the Suns should have toasted us without Tim and Manu, yet they couldnt, they couldnt even stop tony for the most part.  With Tim, Tony and Manu on the floor together next time how are they going to handle us if they couldnt do it with those three on the floor for about the past 8 games prior to that.  They broke the losing streak against without Tim and Manu - thats the point, it was not something we needed to worry about at this point.  full squad to full squad comparison, i would take the Spurs hands down.  all this game proved was that it took the suns a hell of a lot to put away our team while were missing our franchise player/2timemvp, and the second best player.  
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2005, 11:25:34 AM »
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Spursx3 -- what NBA player doesn't play through injury?  I'm not sure that there are very many players who aren't playing through tendinitis, etc. because of the demands of the game.  The Spurs strength was supposed to be the strength of their bench and the ability for players to step up.  I guess my problem with Parker's comments are how is he any different from Steve Nash?  When Nash steps off the floor for Phoenix the Suns struggles tremendously -- Nash has been injured, still isn't 100% and the Suns have got to play him as many minutes as he can handle because without him the Suns are a mediocre team. 

 
What NBA player doesn't play thru an injury?  Just Shaq.  But maybe the new and improved Shaq will.  B)

Randoph is making some sense.  While lots have to play thru nagging stuff, I don't want to see Parker, GNob or for that matter Nash play thru an injury that is going to further damage them.

 :hail:  Devin Brown has been fantastic.
Not sure that Brent Barry is doing what the Spurs thought he would do.
He has some great games but overall he is playing good D and transition but very little O for the minutes he plays.  Nor Horry, altho heaven forbid getting you three started on that again.  

Randolph, the Lakers stopping Parker "over the years" would be better summed up as "1 for 2."
He's only been in 3 years.  Toss out the rookie year.  2003 he roasted Kobme, DFish and the Lakers.  Last year Parker along with the entire jumpshooting Spurs went entirely flat against Malone and Co.  Concur they stopped them last year cold.  We're still missing that Stephen Jackson-Stevie Kerr types that could snap the Spurs out of a shooting slump faster then you could say "Championship".

This years playoffs are a statement for Parker.  But he needs the backup like he had in '03.  SpeedyC, Kerr,  Jackson (while not a backup a slumpbreaker).  Devin Brown has already been great in the playoffs and will come thru again.  Beno Udrih i think will come thru in the playoffs as a backup.  Barry on O I dunno.  I hope so.
reality - nothing I cna do but  :nonono:  at your Barry and Horry assesment.


As for Jackons not being on the team - Yeah, I wanted the Spurs to sign him before Indy got him, he is proving - the brawl aside of course - that he belongs in this league, and he is starting to live up to his potential.  Wasnt he in the same Mcdonalds classic game as Bibby and Kobe??  I like seeing Jax score the way he is in Philly.  I noticed it when he was in Atlanta, after Rahim was shipped he was the ONLY scorer they had and he stepped each night dropping bombs on everyone - of course the rest of that team was scrubs, but he showed he could score.  Poeple down played that - my thinking is that no matter what team your are on, IF you can score 20+ against just about any team in the NBA then you DO deserve some respect.  Jax is a good player, it would have been nice to see him back in black and silver, but thats the way it goes right, besides he deserved his payday IMO.
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2005, 11:41:41 AM »
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No Tim, no Manu, and only won by 6.

Just because they only won by 6 without tim and manu doesn't prove anything.  It's not uncommon for stars to go down and a combination of the other team taking it for granted and the spurs playing over their head.  It's certainly not a game where you want to come to any conclusions, either way.