Inadvertant whistle

[Randy]

Nonethess your saying GP is no longer the defender he once was is indeed huge progress. The light coming thru to you, whether large or small is fantastic.

Yes, if only you would also see the light and realize that the Spurs are also no longer the team they once were -- that Nesterostiff isn't 1/4 of the player that DRob was even on his deathbed and that without DRob, Jackson and Speedy, the Spurs don't have a shot at beating the top teams in the league.  The Spurs keep trying to prove that too you (with their 2-7 vs. top teams) but you still can't see the light, can you?

You also seem to want to "quantify" particular gifts -- lets ask the question this way:  Which was the biggest gift?  Malone, GP, Spree, Cassell, Miller, Turkoglu or TD?  Hmm, I hear the jeopardy music?  Is that your final answer?  But in the end with you, I think it boils down to "you are the weakest link, goodbye."  Sorry, but you will never view the Lakers and/or the Spurs rationally or objectively -- I just wish you would actually try.

[Lurker]

What a pile of bullcr....wait it is so deep that the shovel is bending.

Since you consider winning the lottery a gift then by the same token signing Shaq as a free agent was a gift.  Also trading for Kobe was a gift.  I guess the Lakers have more gifts than anyone.....

Randy your precision use of Spurs-hate shines through like always.  :blink:

 :ph34r:  

[WayOutWest]

I haven't read any reports after the fact, I watched the game and even the announcers where going on and on about the refs calling goal tending because Kobe clearly touched the ball on the rim but it was below the rim and Kobe might have been the one to push the ball into the rim.  

Can't tell without seeing it again.

I'm just glad the Lakers finally got a call after all the hack jobs that didn't get called on Camby, Melo and Nene.  Nuggest got DOUBLE the FT attempts than did the Lakers.  The calls were BS all night in favor of the Nuggets, but the little biznatches won't talk about that!

[spursfan101]

This years Spurs team is much stronger THIS YEAR than it was last year.  Defensively, were just as good, still lead the league.  Were also much more athletic and have greater range with Hedo and Manu on the perimeter.  Both are excellent penetrators.  Charlie Ward just as good as Speedy?  Yes, I think so.

THe addition of Horry has been HUGE. Much bigger than I ever thought after seeing Horry tank it last year.  PRAY we don't go up against the Lakers this year with a ticked off Horry. Pray its not a close game. PRAY Robert Horry dosen't bury you with that dagger.  If given the opportunity. He will.

[Randy]

What a pile of bullcr....wait it is so deep that the shovel is bending.

Since you consider winning the lottery a gift then by the same token signing Shaq as a free agent was a gift.  Also trading for Kobe was a gift.  I guess the Lakers have more gifts than anyone.....

Randy your precision use of Spurs-hate shines through like always.  :blink:

 :ph34r:

You don't consider winning the lottery a gift?  At least with a trade, you actually have to impress someone with things like winning traditions, class of organization --oops, sorry, you wouldn't know that -- you couldn't sign Kidd.  Well, you actually have to do that in order to land talent.  

And as for Kobe, it's just that most GM's around the league didn't have the foresight to see how great a player that he was going to be -- otherwise, they would have taken him much higher and/or Charlotte wouldn't have traded him for Vlade, right?

If TD wasn't a gift, then neither are GP or Malone -- it's not that difficult to grasp, is it?  Winning the TD lottery was a HUGE gift -- just ask any of the other GM's with more ping-pong balls that year.

[Randy]

This years Spurs team is much stronger THIS YEAR than it was last year.  Defensively, were just as good, still lead the league.  Were also much more athletic and have greater range with Hedo and Manu on the perimeter.  Both are excellent penetrators.  Charlie Ward just as good as Speedy?  Yes, I think so.

THe addition of Horry has been HUGE. Much bigger than I ever thought after seeing Horry tank it last year.  PRAY we don't go up against the Lakers this year with a ticked off Horry. Pray its not a close game. PRAY Robert Horry dosen't bury you with that dagger.  If given the opportunity. He will.

This years Spurs team is much stronger THIS YEAR than it was last year.  Defensively, were just as good, still lead the league.  Were also much more athletic and have greater range with Hedo and Manu on the perimeter.  Both are excellent penetrators.  Charlie Ward just as good as Speedy?  Yes, I think so.

Hmm, I think last year the Spurs did manage to beat some of the top teams in the league, didn't they?  So how is this years team so much stronger?  Oh, you mean because you are beating up on the lesser teams in the league?  I guess you can get some comfort through that.

[Reality]

I haven't read any reports after the fact, I watched the game and even the announcers where going on and on about the refs calling goal tending because Kobe clearly touched the ball on the rim but it was below the rim and Kobe might have been the one to push the ball into the rim.  

Can't tell without seeing it again.

I'm just glad the Lakers finally got a call after all the hack jobs that didn't get called on Camby, Melo and Nene.  Nuggest got DOUBLE the FT attempts than did the Lakers.  The calls were BS all night in favor of the Nuggets, but the little biznatches won't talk about that!

Lurker posted NBA.com and i paraphrased ESPN and quoted Phil Jackson.

Which announcers?  The KCAL gang or Foxths Sports West? :lol:

Didn't you also see Bigfoot and Aunt Em draped all over Shaq.

The double foul shots for Denver is indeed a shocking new development this year that threatens to the very core the Krishnas of Laker Nation.  No other year has seen even close to the number of games which are called even close to fair vs the Glitter Marketers.  Counselors are standing by, as this years playoffs could be disasterous if Stern doesn't step in like 00-03.

 

[Lurker]

If TD wasn't a gift, then neither are GP or Malone -- it's not that difficult to grasp, is it?  Winning the TD lottery was a HUGE gift -- just ask any of the other GM's with more ping-pong balls that year.

It does appear to be a difficult idea...in fact your steelmesh-trap mind is the only one that can grasp it.

As far as the lottery the Spurs had the 3rd worse record....so only 2 teams had more ping pong balls.  And if you check the history of the lottery you will see that the team with the worse record has never won the lottery.  

Having 2 free agents sign FOR LESS THAN MARKET VALUE is considered a gift.  Even many sportswriters commented on that fact at the time.  You never see sportswriters say that winning the lottery is a gift.

[Randy]

If TD wasn't a gift, then neither are GP or Malone -- it's not that difficult to grasp, is it?  Winning the TD lottery was a HUGE gift -- just ask any of the other GM's with more ping-pong balls that year.

It does appear to be a difficult idea...in fact your steelmesh-trap mind is the only one that can grasp it.

As far as the lottery the Spurs had the 3rd worse record....so only 2 teams had more ping pong balls.  And if you check the history of the lottery you will see that the team with the worse record has never won the lottery.  

Having 2 free agents sign FOR LESS THAN MARKET VALUE is considered a gift.  Even many sportswriters commented on that fact at the time.  You never see sportswriters say that winning the lottery is a gift.

As far as the lottery the Spurs had the 3rd worse record....so only 2 teams had more ping pong balls. And if you check the history of the lottery you will see that the team with the worse record has never won the lottery.

Having 2 free agents sign FOR LESS THAN MARKET VALUE is considered a gift. Even many sportswriters commented on that fact at the time. You never see sportswriters say that winning the lottery is a gift.

Let me make sure that I have this right (that is, according to the Spurs manifesto).  It's a gift when the Lakers get 2 future HOF'ers for less than Market value -- but it's not a gift when the Spurs when the lottery when they had two HOF'ers on their team, right?  By-the-way, how many MORE ping-pong balls did the other two teams have?  

I understand, according to the Spurs manifesto, anything accorded to the Lakers is a gift and anything accorded to the Spurs is deserved.  Now, if you could only see life outside of the itty-bitty Spurs universe.

[spursfan101]

Re: THE GIFT:
It was a gift FROM GOD that we got Tim Duncan. We tanked the season, an old Dominique was our star player, cmon, of course WE SUCKED! When the draft came, we didn't have a chance landing Timmy, Boston was the shoe in to get him, remember.  But we did, due in large parts to all those old Mexican ladies saying thier prayers to the VIRGIN and lighting their candles!  :lol: Spurs truly won the lottery that year.

As far as not beating the top teams, its really not an issue anymore. Spurs struggled hard early. All of the games you referred to, they lost EARLY. Of course they would struggle, they had practically a brand new team, it would take some time for them to jel.

And that time is now.  Spurs ARE beating the good teams. They beat a good team in Sacramento on their home floor a few weeks back.  Same goes for Minnesota.  Both tough wins on the road.  Tonights matchup will be tough, but if the Spurs do win tonight AGAIN, then all the talk about  not beating the tough teams has to stop.  Foolish argument really.

And personally, I would rather have the Spurs tank early on and  gel later than to be in LA's dilemma.  An unstoppable 18-2 run, then what?  Injuries and infighting heading into the final  playoff stretch.  <_< I would be a bit worried about that. Knowing that, I certainly wouldn't be spewing the amount smack that your spewing now.  For LA though, I think its a defense mechanism. Waiting the hear the words "turn the switch" anytime now. :wacko:  

[Lurker]

Randy....if you are going to insist that the Spurs had 2 HOFs on that 96-97 team then make damn sure you get it right.  Sean Elliott has as much chance of entering the HOF as I do...by paying admission price.  Avery was & always will be the second HOF on that squad.

 :ph34r:  

[Reality]

Yes, if only you would also see the light and realize that the Spurs are also no longer the team they once were -- that Nesterostiff isn't 1/4 of the player that DRob was even on his deathbed and that without DRob, Jackson and Speedy, the Spurs don't have a shot at beating the top teams in the league.  The Spurs keep trying to prove that too you (with their 2-7 vs. top teams) but you still can't see the light, can you?

You also seem to want to "quantify" particular gifts -- lets ask the question this way:  Which was the biggest gift?  Malone, GP, Spree, Cassell, Miller, Turkoglu or TD?  Hmm, I hear the jeopardy music?  Is that your final answer?  But in the end with you, I think it boils down to "you are the weakest link, goodbye."  Sorry, but you will never view the Lakers and/or the Spurs rationally or objectively -- I just wish you would actually try.

So Randys conclusion is Hedo Turk at 5 mil per year or whatever he is, combined with Rashastiffs 7 mill per....lets see that totals about 12 mil per year.  
Brad Miller signing for bout 9-10 a year.
Spree and Cassell combining to cost the Wolfies bout $15-20 mil per year.
DAL Antown Jamison and AWalker at $20 per year.

Is equal to Payton and Malone at 5 mill combined.

Throw in that Payton and Malone signed very early.
Throw in the Payton and Malone can be dumped off the payroll soon like next year or two, most if not all of the others cannot.

It's not "the weakest link -goodbye" it's "Security, we've got Randy again on the set.  Please come down and remove ASAP"

And Randy after Dr. Lurkor and I have the security nursing and professional staff take you by the LakerHouse for some Reality Inc Fog you're comin over to my pad to watch the game.  


 

[Lurker]

NBA admits officiating mistake in Lakers-Nuggets
 

February 26, 2004
NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA acknowledged Thursday there was an officiating mistake in the final minute of the Los Angeles Lakers' 112-111 victory over the host Denver Nuggets.

With the Nuggets leading Wednesday night's game 111-109, a shot by Denver's Andre Miller appeared to brush the rim and barely beat the shot clock. Teammate Carmelo Anthony got the rebound, but the whistle blew for a shot-clock violation. The officials huddled and ruled it was an inadvertent whistle, resulting in a jump ball.

The Lakers won the tip, leading to Kareem Rush's winning 3-pointer with 3.2 seconds left.

But NBA senior VP Stu Jackson said Thursday that there shouldn't have been a whistle on the play.

``That call was incorrect because the ball, in fact, hit the rim,'' Jackson said. ``This was an unfortunate call at a highly critical point in the game, and we very much regret the error.''

 
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[Randy]

Randy....if you are going to insist that the Spurs had 2 HOFs on that 96-97 team then make damn sure you get it right.  Sean Elliott has as much chance of entering the HOF as I do...by paying admission price.  Avery was & always will be the second HOF on that squad.

 :ph34r:

Avery was & always will be the second HOF on that squad.

That was REALLY good, BBF, I laughed so hard and loud that people thought there was thunder outside (a big deal around these woods).  As for Elliott, I will always think of him as a HOF'er -- he was a great slasher, good shooter and an excellent defender -- the Spurs would have never won that title (remember the * one) without him.  I think that defensive specialists should be in the HOF -- like Michael Cooper, Elliott, etc. (oh, not the ones who practice their "hi karate" on opponents heads, though).

[Randy]

Umm, it's often difficult to follow your version of reality but this is a bit ridiculous, even for you.  Nobody mentioned Turk's salary -- nobody mentioned Nesterostiff as a gift at all and why bring Dallas into this?  

I would call Turk a gift because the Spurs didn't have to give up anyone to sign him -- you wouldn't call that a gift?  Think long and hard about it because you HAVE said it in the past (when talking about Pop as a GM).  

And it STILL doesn't change the fact that TD was a gift (thanks to Spursfan101 praying for a virgin and somebody getting that request messed up with a certain player from the Virgin Islands -- which does bring up a question -- do you have to stay a virgin to live there?  If so, do they import the children?) for a Spurs team who had a bad health year and tanked it so they could get as many ping pong balls as possible.  TD was a gift.

So Randys conclusion is Hedo Turk at 5 mil per year or whatever he is, combined with Rashastiffs 7 mill per....lets see that totals about 12 mil per year.
Brad Miller signing for bout 9-10 a year.
Spree and Cassell combining to cost the Wolfies bout $15-20 mil per year.
DAL Antown Jamison and AWalker at $20 per year.

Is equal to Payton and Malone at 5 mill combined.

Throw in that Payton and Malone signed very early.
Throw in the Payton and Malone can be dumped off the payroll soon like next year or two, most if not all of the others cannot.