ITS OVER

[SPURSX3]

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[Ted]

My reactions . . .

Presidential race:  <_<

How funny that so many people I  know said "anybody but Bush" and I was just the opposite: "anybody but Kerry." I'm relieved that John Kerry didn't win, but I am worried about the country. I want President Bush to reach out to Democrats, and I want Democrats to reach out to President Bush. I believe the Pres has been too partisan and has been one of the major obstacles to bipartisanship. I also believe there have been some on the Democratic side just as willing to obstruct a bipartisan climate. On that note . . .

South Dakota U.S. Senate race:    :cheers:  :up:  :rofl:  :hail:

I absolutely love that Daschle is gone. This guy has played the partisan game as much as any politician in the country. The fact of the matter is that the Repubs are in power, and pretty much every one of them hate this guy. With him gone, I hope that the GOP can reach out to the new guy and at least work with him. What a huge blow to the Democratic party though. IMO, this is practically as bad as losing the Presidential election. The most powerful democrat in Washington not only loses his election, but loses his state for the presidential vote by a large margin. The party has some serious reflection and rebuilding to do.

Illinois U.S. Senate race:  :blink:

Can you say "arse whooping?" This Obama guy is tough. He's charismatic, smart, and a minority; he's going to be wielding a lot of influence in D.C. for a long time.

Utah Gubernatorial race:  -_-

Not that any of you care, but this race was officially the most milk-toast, pat each other on the back race I've ever seen. The demo candidate was the son of the only democratic governor Utah has had in the last 50 or so, the repub candidate was a former ambassador and the son of the guy who made Huntsman Chemical. Repub wins huge.

Utah Amendment 3:   :unsure:

Again, not that any of you care . . . Utah's amendment bans marriage and any thing like it: civil unions, etc. The surprise is the margin of victory; not as wide as many thought. Personally, I'm not sure about banning any form of union, but it looks like a bunch of other states passed similar proposals.

Say hello to Hilary in '08.

[SPURSX3]

My reactions . . .

Presidential race:  <_<

How funny that so many people I  know said "anybody but Bush" and I was just the opposite: "anybody but Kerry." I'm relieved that John Kerry didn't win, but I am worried about the country. I want President Bush to reach out to Democrats, and I want Democrats to reach out to President Bush. I believe the Pres has been too partisan and has been one of the major obstacles to bipartisanship. I also believe there have been some on the Democratic side just as willing to obstruct a bipartisan climate. On that note . . .

South Dakota U.S. Senate race:    :cheers:  :up:  :rofl:  :hail:

I absolutely love that Daschle is gone. This guy has played the partisan game as much as any politician in the country. The fact of the matter is that the Repubs are in power, and pretty much every one of them hate this guy. With him gone, I hope that the GOP can reach out to the new guy and at least work with him. What a huge blow to the Democratic party though. IMO, this is practically as bad as losing the Presidential election. The most powerful democrat in Washington not only loses his election, but loses his state for the presidential vote by a large margin. The party has some serious reflection and rebuilding to do.

Illinois U.S. Senate race:  :blink:

Can you say "arse whooping?" This Obama guy is tough. He's charismatic, smart, and a minority; he's going to be wielding a lot of influence in D.C. for a long time.

Utah Gubernatorial race:  -_-

Not that any of you care, but this race was officially the most milk-toast, pat each other on the back race I've ever seen. The demo candidate was the son of the only democratic governor Utah has had in the last 50 or so, the repub candidate was a former ambassador and the son of the guy who made Huntsman Chemical. Repub wins huge.

Utah Amendment 3:   :unsure:

Again, not that any of you care . . . Utah's amendment bans marriage and any thing like it: civil unions, etc. The surprise is the margin of victory; not as wide as many thought. Personally, I'm not sure about banning any form of union, but it looks like a bunch of other states passed similar proposals.

Say hello to Hilary in '08.

I dont know about that ted, the Demo's seemed to take a beating AGAIN, last night - Daschle LOST!  I kind of like Obama - as far as demo's go, i thiink he has a real bright future, i think i might even side with him if he stays the way he is and decides to run for pres sometime down the road.  as for hilary in 08, i can see that happenning, but i think the repubs have a chance to start the turn to fixing some of the problems now and give them more momentum into gaining more ground on the democrats  for 08.

 :cheers:  

[Derek Bodner]

someone needs to teach the demo's how to run a presidential campaign.  Outside of the debates, I thought Kerry did a poor job elsewhere.

I agree with Ted about  both Daschle and Obama.  Never liked Daschle, and while I'm a demo I'm not terribly upset he's gone.  I've been very impressed with Obama when I've seen him though.  Don't know enough about the guy to truely get a good feel on him as a person, but he carries himself well.  It's also good to get some young blood into a party trying to reach young votes.

Best 2 things about the election last night.
1) No more ads
2) No more Kerry or Bush in 4 years.

It'll be interesting to see who runs for both sides.  McCain is the obvious choice.  Hillary and Giuliani better not.  It wouldn't surprise me to see Gore run again.  If I remember correctly, When Nixon lost to JFK after being Ikes VP, didn't he take a term off before eventually winning?  But then again, has any former VP ever lost a presidential election besides Nixon and Gore.  Truman won.  Teddy won.  Don't think Edwards will run again, I think it would be good for him to build a few more years in the senate.  And I have no idea who else would run, it's really too early to speculate.

[SPURSX3]

someone needs to teach the demo's how to run a presidential campaign.  Outside of the debates, I thought Kerry did a poor job elsewhere.

I agree with Ted about  both Daschle and Obama.  Never liked Daschle, and while I'm a demo I'm not terribly upset he's gone.  I've been very impressed with Obama when I've seen him though.  Don't know enough about the guy to truely get a good feel on him as a person, but he carries himself well.  It's also good to get some young blood into a party trying to reach young votes.

Best 2 things about the election last night.
1) No more ads
2) No more Kerry or Bush in 4 years.

It'll be interesting to see who runs for both sides.  McCain is the obvious choice.  Hillary and Giuliani better not.  It wouldn't surprise me to see Gore run again.  If I remember correctly, When Nixon lost to JFK after being Ikes VP, didn't he take a term off before eventually winning?  But then again, has any former VP ever lost a presidential election besides Nixon and Gore.  Truman won.  Teddy won.  Don't think Edwards will run again, I think it would be good for him to build a few more years in the senate.  And I have no idea who else would run, it's really too early to speculate.

i see hillary vs mccain in 08...

 

[Ted]

I think Hilary is one of the strongest candidates for the demos. A lot of people around the nation love the Clintons so much, she could be a real threat to win.

I think Kerry is even a possibility. I believe future viability as a candidate is one of the big things behind his concession. Al Gore is damaged goods after the legal wrangling in 2000, and I think Kerry avoided looking desperate and un-presidential by conceding. Good move, IMO.

Hilary could be in danger though. She's up for re-election in two years, and she has to win that race if she's going to the White House two years later. If the Republicans roll out Rudy to oppose her in '06, then she could possibly go down; that, IMO, would destroy her chances for the White House. "Watch Rudy" should be the demcratic motto for the next two years.

McCain would be a strong candidate for the Republicans. I would love to see him run, and I'd vote for him over pretty much anyone else. I think Powell would be a good candidate, too. I'm so glad we won't have to see another former VP running next time. No Cheney. No Gore. I don't want to see another Bush, even though they say Jeb is the competent one of the family. No more Bush. We need some new blood. McCain would be my man.

[Derek Bodner]

Of the last 3 candidates (Gore, Bush, Kerry), I would have voted for McCain over any of them.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary, just because I don't think she'll have enough experience by that time.  What will amount to 7 years just isn't quite enough for me.

On a national level, while she has a Clinton name, I'm not sure the nation is ready to elect a woman, sadly.  

I'm not a fan of Rudy.  Think he did a heckuva job in NY during the tradgedy, and think he was a good mayor.  But I think he's too partisan for that high of an office.

[Ted]

Of the last 3 candidates (Gore, Bush, Kerry), I would have voted for McCain over any of them.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary, just because I don't think she'll have enough experience by that time.  What will amount to 7 years just isn't quite enough for me.

On a national level, while she has a Clinton name, I'm not sure the nation is ready to elect a woman, sadly.  

I'm not a fan of Rudy.  Think he did a heckuva job in NY during the tradgedy, and think he was a good mayor.  But I think he's too partisan for that high of an office.

Dabods, I think you're underestimating her experience. Have you forgotten the whole "we are the president" thing? She's got 8 years on the job!

I wouldn't vote for Hilary either. Mainly because I don't agree with her philosophy. And I think you're right about the nation as a whole. There are a lot of people out there in those red states, and some in the blue that would not vote for a woman, whether or not that's wrong. Hilary would perform about as well as Kerry did in the heavily populated blue states like Cali and New England, but she would get slaughtered in the heartland states, causing her to lose the popular vote by a large margin. In fact, I'm going to recant. I don't think Hilary is the left's best candidate. Who could it be?

All I know of Rudy is what I saw in '01 and what I've heard about NY during his time: the Times Square cleanup, crime rates down, very popular, etc. It seems to me that he was poised to beat Hilary on '00 before marital problems and prostate cancer derailed his train. Maybe he'll decide it's time to get it back on the track. He could be dangerous because New Yorkers like him, and Republicans around the nation love him.

[jn]

:puke:  :puke:  :puke:  On your Daschle comments.  "Reach out to the new guy"  :rofl:  :rofl:  Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's just what Tom "The Hammer" Delay will do.  That would be the Tom Delay the man who wields the greatest power of any Repub legislator and also has an almost unrpecedented record for vicious political behavior.  

Get a clue.  The Republican leadership has no interest in compromise whatsoever.  Again, in the word of leading strategist Grover Norquist, "Bipartisanship is another word for date rape."  


 

[guest-koast]

I'm mad.  I'm not going to lie.  I'm not mad because I stood in line for 3 hours because frankly there was alot of important local issues I voiced my opinion on.  What I'm mad about is the fact that Bush was awarded another term even though he did not deserve it.  Its almost like social promotion, which I'm sure he knows alot about.  I also feel that alot of people did not vote demo out of fear that they have minority intrests in mind.  I also am very disapointed in the younger generation (which I am apart of).   Where were we?  I was the only person under the age of 30 who stayed in line the whole time.  The few younger voters who did show up ended up leaving cuz the line was 'too long'......WTF?!

[jn]

Oh, and congratulations.      

[Ted]

Get a clue.  The Republican leadership has no interest in compromise whatsoever.  Again, in the word of leading strategist Grover Norquist, "Bipartisanship is another word for date rape."

Okay. If that's how we're going to talk about the election . . .

He JN, MY GUY WON! YOURS LOST! Your party is in shambles! Your top guy outside of the Presidential race just lost! Enjoy the next four years buddy.

Thank God Kerry is showing more grace in defeat than you are.  :rofl:  

[Ted]

Oh, and congratulations.    

Damn you.  :angry:

Now I look like the poor winner. You suck.

[Ted]

I'm interested to hear what WoW's got to say. I figure he's got to be sobering up anytime now.

[Lurker]

Congrats to the Republicans...hopefully there will still be a nation for them in 4 years.  Bush's foreign & domestic policies are leading us down the tubes quickly.  I'm not sure the world can handle another 4 years of Bush.  Without the branches of government being controlled by different parties there is little or no checks & balances to keep Bush from destroying what little standing....both economically & politically....that the US now enjoys in the world.

By the time the next election rolls around I could very well be an ex-patriate living in Mexico.  I will probably have more personal freedom, a better standard of living and less to fear from those who are staunch anti-American.