Kidd wants out of a Nets uniform

[westkoast]

A day after shipping Kerry Kittles to the Clippers for a second-round pick, the fire sale might not be over for the Nets.
 
The Newark Star-Ledger is quoting a Nets team official as saying that Kidd returned from his Mexican vacation Thursday and immediately sought out a meeting with new owner Bruce Ratner. Kidd is expected to request a trade at that meeting.

Kidd is reportedly angered that Kittles, his backcourt teammate, was shipped out and is ready to play for a new team.

A friend of Kidd's said, "He took the Nets' money because they told him they were going to try to win the championship — false pretenses. Knowing Jason, he'll want out. I'd bet that he's not playing until they trade him."

New Jersey has now lost three of its top seven players (Kenyon Martin, Rodney Rogers and Kittles) and have received zero players in return. Payroll has been slashed from $62 million to its present $47.5 million and could go even lower.

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Can we say retarded?  What the hell is Ratner thinking?  Sure the team needs some change to move to BK, but who is going to go see a Nets team with No Kidd, Kittles, and Martin?  I like Richard Jefferson but lets be real here.  Who else do they have?  They are saving a whoopin 13 million, soon to be even more.......to get hardly anything in return.  Im sure the Kidd deal would get them something, but who gives up 4 players for a few mediocore ones?

I am convinced this is the worst off-season in the past decade for the NBA.  Most of the GM's have been munching on retard sandwiches all summer long.

[Joe Vancil]

Time for Dallas to step up to the plate.

Kidd wants out.  Dallas is an attractive destination.  The new owner wants expiring contracts.  Antoine Walker's deal is expiring.

A straight Walker-for-Kidd deal actually works.  Dallas can also pick up Mourning and Planicic for Christian Laettner, once Laettner's time since the trade is up.  Throw in a couple of draft picks, and the offer is basically better than any other cost-cutting deal that Sterling Jr. over in New Jersey will get.

 

[Derek Bodner]

Eh, not really.

Imagine The Sixers offered up GRob and Todd Mac for Kidd and Mourning.

Walker and GRob both expire this year, so that cancels each other out.  But here comes Philly's advantage.

Todd Mac, who will retire before the start ofthe season (he said it himself that it's a 99% probability), will come off the books in February.

By league rules, when a player retires due to injury, their salary stops counting against the cap 2 years after the injury occurred, not when they retire.  Todd hasn't played a game since February 2003.  So, come February 2005, he will not count against the teams cap anylonger, and insurance will pay his contract.

What does that mean?  Whereas they have to stop paying Laettner's contract after this year, cheap Rattner can get Todd MacCulloch's contract off NOW, and wouldn't figure into any luxury tax calculations (although NJ appears to be under that now).

Now, I'm not saying this will happen.  But Kidd to Dallas already seems like a foregone conclusion in the Media's mind.  There are a lot of teams that can match an expiring contract.  What it will come down to is other incentives, like a contract situation like Todd MacCulloch's, or who will include the best cheap talent/draft picks (for example, the Sixers could throw in Dalembert or Willie Green, two starters who combine to make under 2 million $).

[Reality]

Does Kidd have enough years to veto?

Fox Sports West-Lakers channel says his three choices are Dallas, Spurs, and (get ready to barf)  :puke: Lakers.

[westkoast]

Does Kidd have enough years to veto?

Fox Sports West-Lakers channel says his three choices are Dallas, Spurs, and (get ready to barf)  :puke: Lakers.

Will the Spurs be able to offer him what hes worth still?  He would be an excellent addition to any of the team listed above....but boy SA sure could use Kidd.  They would be a strong half court and fast break team.   The best of both worlds.  I doubt he will goto LA, Ratner and Buss goto the same temple  

If the Spurs sign Kidd they will be the clear favorites to take the title next year.  Id put money on that.

[ziggy]

Granted Ratner is decimating a franchise, but I feel ZERO sympathy for Jason Kidd.  Kidd had a chance to go to SA, but he didn't because he wanted the money.  If winning was so important to the spoiled brat  :cry:  he would have gone to SA, but his desire for a few more millions kept him is NJ.  I got no problem with him going for the money, but don't do and then complain a year later that your team isn't trying win.  He had his chance to win, and he chose the money.
Part of the reason for the Nets current situation is the incredibly STUPID deal they did with Zo Mourning  :crazy: , which was driven by Kidd.  He was the one that pushed that money sucking black hole on the Nets, and when it blew up, the Nets were screwed.  Rod Thorn should have told him to focus on what he does best (passing the ball), and leave the other stuff (like shooting and running the team) to people who know what they are doing.  Quit your whining and crying Jason and get about to helping he Nets win games.















Of course if the Nets want to swap him for Damon, then I would forgive him these sins.  

[Guest_Randy]

Who knew that Mourning wasn't going to be healthy?  Others have done it and if anyone could have, I would have put my money on Mourning.  You make it sound like it was all the money for Kidd -- it had a whole lot more to do with his wife than it did the money, IMO.  His wife wasn't going to get the same opportunities to further her career in SA.  The opportunity to play with Mourning in NJ broke the tie, IMO.  Sure, hindsight, it was a bad idea -- but hindsight is easy.  I REALLY thought Mourning could overcome it if anyone could.

As for the present Nets -- it's truly disgusting!  :puke:   The build a new arena -- get a new owner who immediately decides he wants as low a payroll as possible and GIVES away Kittles and Martin!   :crazy:   You are kidding me (sorry, no pun intended) -- HOW does the NBA overlook this kind of thing.  IMO, it sets a DANGEROUS precedent for sales of future teams and puts a REALLY bad taste in the mouth of all those who supported the Nets new arena.  The governing owners really need to address this, IMO, it's bad for the entire league.  If someone can't afford to buy the team and be competitive -- they shouldn't have a team!  (hear that Buss!)

[Reality]

Granted Ratner is decimating a franchise, but I feel ZERO sympathy for Jason Kidd.  Kidd had a chance to go to SA, but he didn't because he wanted the money.  If winning was so important to the spoiled brat  :cry:  he would have gone to SA, but his desire for a few more millions kept him is NJ.  I got no problem with him going for the money, but don't do and then complain a year later that your team isn't trying win.  He had his chance to win, and he chose the money.
Part of the reason for the Nets current situation is the incredibly STUPID deal they did with Zo Mourning  :crazy: , which was driven by Kidd.  He was the one that pushed that money sucking black hole on the Nets, and when it blew up, the Nets were screwed.  Rod Thorn should have told him to focus on what he does best (passing the ball), and leave the other stuff (like shooting and running the team) to people who know what they are doing.  Quit your whining and crying Jason and get about to helping he Nets win games.















Of course if the Nets want to swap him for Damon, then I would forgive him these sins.

 :up:
Where is that emoticon that claps it's hands over its head?

Agree with all ziggy.
Except.......

It was Jouana Kidd who called the shots on where Kidd would go to last year.  :rolleyes:

Seriously with or without her *permission* Kidd should have nothing to say after pushing Mourning.

Many thought Kidd last year would have solidified the Spurs ring chances.  Another NBA brat that shows winning is not even close to what its all about.
Poor baby would have had to survive on how little money from the Spurs?  :cry:

How 'bout those Dodgers zig?  :alcohol:
Bosox get what for Nomar?
Astros hang on to Beltran?  :huh:
 

[ziggy]

How 'bout those Dodgers zig?  :alcohol:
Bosox get what for Nomar?
Astros hang on to Beltran?  :huh: [/quote]
 I don't know about the Dodgers.  I think losing LoDuca and Mota was a huge risk.  They traded LoDuca with the expectation of getting Johnson, which didn't happen.  Penny is a quality pitcher, and a good addition, but I am not sure Finley is all that he is cracked up to be.  He is 39, and has hit only OK in a great hitters park.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit below the Mendoza line in LA.  Mota was a key part of the best bullpen in baseball.  They weren't willing to part with him to get Beltran, but they were to get Brad Penny :crazy: ?  BTW, we are heading to LA next week, and I get to see a Dodger/Philly game.  I am looking forward to it.

I am sorry but I don't get the BoSox.  They got Mientkiewicz, and Cabrera, which is a huge downgrade.  Cabrera could be a good addition, I repeat COULD BE.  He has had a number of big years, but he is stinking badly this year, but you don't trade a player as good as Nomar for a COULD BE.  He is a big upgrade defensively over Nomar though.  Mientkiewicz is an OK player, but I just don't see how this really helped the BoSox.

[westkoast]

I don't know about the Dodgers.  I think losing LoDuca and Mota was a huge risk.  They traded LoDuca with the expectation of getting Johnson, which didn't happen.  Penny is a quality pitcher, and a good addition, but I am not sure Finley is all that he is cracked up to be.  He is 39, and has hit only OK in a great hitters park.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit below the Mendoza line in LA.  Mota was a key part of the best bullpen in baseball.  They weren't willing to part with him to get Beltran, but they were to get Brad Penny :crazy: ?  BTW, we are heading to LA next week, and I get to see a Dodger/Philly game.  I am looking forward to it.
 

You know I was thinking the same thing.  They are on fire right now so why trade, right when you have a full head of steam approaching the last stretch of the season, some players who obviously have helped the team get this far?  Makes no sense to me.  In fact I was very pissed to hear them wanting to ship those players off.  Id love to see the Big Unit in blue but what a gamble it was with the locker room chemistry to ship out guys.  Winning brings teams together very closely..im sure alot of those guys were bummed to see those guys go.

Although I guess us Dodger fans cant complain...we are going to make the playoffs this year lol.  On top of that, we actually did even better AFTER the all-star break.  Ziggy if you are going to see a night game make sure to bring a jacket and some money for hot choco.......at night it tends to get real cold up there.

[SPURSX3]

Who knew that Mourning wasn't going to be healthy?  Others have done it and if anyone could have, I would have put my money on Mourning.  You make it sound like it was all the money for Kidd -- it had a whole lot more to do with his wife than it did the money, IMO.  His wife wasn't going to get the same opportunities to further her career in SA.  The opportunity to play with Mourning in NJ broke the tie, IMO.  Sure, hindsight, it was a bad idea -- but hindsight is easy.  I REALLY thought Mourning could overcome it if anyone could.

As for the present Nets -- it's truly disgusting!  :puke:   The build a new arena -- get a new owner who immediately decides he wants as low a payroll as possible and GIVES away Kittles and Martin!   :crazy:   You are kidding me (sorry, no pun intended) -- HOW does the NBA overlook this kind of thing.  IMO, it sets a DANGEROUS precedent for sales of future teams and puts a REALLY bad taste in the mouth of all those who supported the Nets new arena.  The governing owners really need to address this, IMO, it's bad for the entire league.  If someone can't afford to buy the team and be competitive -- they shouldn't have a team!  (hear that Buss!)

i dont feel sorry for him, he had a chance to play for us and didnt, he listenned to his wife - the little pansy - he should have told to shut her pie whole and make him a sammich while he does business with the big boys, little baby deserves to be screwed over for passing us up, "WHY YOU CRYING?...IS IT BECUASE OF THE CHOCOLATE BUNNY?!"  

   

[spursfan101]

All the Spurs have to offer at this point is the $1.2 Mill I think.

[westkoast]

All of you saying she did not want to come to SA because of  a career....do you guys forget that was part of the major courting the Spurs did when they wanted Jason Kidd to go out there?  I believe she was offered a big time spot high up in one of the companies vested in the franchise.  Even NY's dump is better than SA :lol:

[SPURSX3]

All of you saying she did not want to come to SA because of  a career....do you guys forget that was part of the major courting the Spurs did when they wanted Jason Kidd to go out there?  I believe she was offered a big time spot high up in one of the companies vested in the franchise.  Even NY's dump is better than SA :lol:

there is NO major outlet to get hyer face on air like the is in NY, it doesnt even come close...we couldnt even keep a 24 hour news channel on down here becuase the market was so bad they had to shut it down....

[westkoast]

All of you saying she did not want to come to SA because of  a career....do you guys forget that was part of the major courting the Spurs did when they wanted Jason Kidd to go out there?  I believe she was offered a big time spot high up in one of the companies vested in the franchise.  Even NY's dump is better than SA :lol:

there is NO major outlet to get hyer face on air like the is in NY, it doesnt even come close...we couldnt even keep a 24 hour news channel on down here becuase the market was so bad they had to shut it down....

I understand that.  If you couldn't tell my post was nothing more than a cheap poke at SA.  If only LA could get their 24/7 news channels shut off.....you guys are lucky.

Now back to the topic at hand.....word on the LA streets is that Ratner wants to trade Kidd to Los Angeles for two double double's from In n out and tickets to a private screening of Harold and Kumar goto White Castle.