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Offline JoMal

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« on: July 06, 2004, 12:03:05 PM »
This columnist is talking about the person who came upon the murder, but my point is, this girl was killed for absolutely no reason whatsoever except the shooter could. While we bemoan the beheading of Americans caught up in the world stage that is Iraq, do we need to go overseas to face a type of terrorism that exists here?

These kids had not done anything to anybody except stopped at a light before merging onto a freeway to go home.

Diana Griego Erwin: Touched again by horrific violence, Sacramentan issues a challenge
By Diana Griego Erwin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Sunday, July 4, 2004
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Violence was part of Roz Myers' growing up years, one girl among seven brothers in a rough section of St. Louis.
"I have seen (people shot) and watched them die before help arrived. My family has been the victim of gun violence and death by guns," she said. "You never get used to it. But on the flip side, we learned ... to (not) engage in activities that put you in danger. You learn to change the odds of risk."


 
 
 Myers' family moved in the 1970s to Sacramento, then considered quieter, safer, calmer. That was three decades ago, and much has changed. Myers knows it. She reads the paper. She hears about violent crime and, even though it is way down nationwide, the odds of risk are still at work.
She didn't expect them to reach into her world, though. Not now. Not last Sunday.

It was her moonlighting job cleaning rentals to send her teen son to the Junior Olympics that had Myers - who works for the California Commission on Teacher Credentialing by day - in midtown Sacramento after midnight June 27. As she started getting on Highway 99 south at N Street, a car in her lane stopped. Two back-seat passengers piled out.

She braked abruptly to avoid hitting an hysterical young man running toward her car. He shouted for her to call 911; that his girlfriend had been shot. Myers hit her emergency flashers and ran to the other car, dialing 911 as she did.

"It was horrific. There was this gorgeous young woman slumped over from the driver's side of the car into the arm of the male passenger. There was blood everywhere. ... I reached in to take her pulse. I could not feel one."

The driver was Marissa Ann Flores Krog, 26, who worked with developmentally disabled children.

Myers turned her attention to the two young men running around the onramp trying to get other cars to stop. None did.

They frantically called family but were too distraught to dial properly, Myers said. She called their parents instead.

"I was trying not to say what had actually happened, but the young woman's father got on the line and demanded to know what was going on. So, I had to tell him that his daughter had been shot and that his son was holding her until the paramedics came." Get here as soon as possible, she said.

In the front seat, Krog's younger brother was "clutching her, rocking her, begging her to hold on and asking God why."

The young men with the victim knew she was gone before the emergency crews arrived. Myers, a mother and grandmother, held the young men, prayed with them and sang to them to give them some comfort - all on an onramp to Highway 99.

That was the mother in her, the comforter. Now she is angry.

"I really have not slept well. It has been replaying in my dreams. I have not cried yet, but I want to so badly.

"I am so angry with these predator-type people; the senseless taking of life. I am also angry with ... Sacramento citizens who would not stop to lend a helping hand in an emergency. What if it was them or their child (who) was the victim?"

Myers wants to start something. She is challenging the shooter to turn his life around and others to get involved with challenged youth and make a difference; to help a child or struggling family, all of these acts that can change the odds of risk.

"You can't move away from crime and poverty," you have to get involved in change, she said. "You can't move away from the problem as we did in the '70s and not expect it to catch up with you or your children or your grandchildren."

 
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.....We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.....We are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular....We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2004, 12:38:31 PM »
"You learn to change the odds of risk."

That's why I think people didn't stop to help and why I personally wouldn't stop either.  I grew up in a rough part of L.A. and one of the most important lessons I learned is not to be a good samaritan.  That can get you robbed, beaten or even killed.  It's not worth it if you value your own safety and the safety of your family.

I'm overly protective of my kids for that reason, it's eased up a bit in my part of town but it's still dangerous non the less.  I really bummed me out that last week my oldest told me she wanted to move to a different house because she didn't feel safe in our current house and that she was worried about her younger sibblings.

I've lost three friends to violence, two of them were living the "thug" life so it wasn't surprising, the third was the victim of some punk cowards.  I knew about another half dozen guys who were the victims of violence but they were also in that "thug" life and it was not surprising nor was I very close to them.

Obviously the story is tragic but not anything all that unusual in this country, so many times the intended target is spared while some innocent gets the worse of it.  That's been something I've posted about before, we are not all that different or better than the Iraqi's.  Stuff like this, dragging a man to his death behind a pick up truck, rapping a 12 year old and then dumping her dead body in a trash can, slitting the troat of a 10 year old boy in a public restroom not more than 5 feet away from his mom and countless other acts of brutality upon your fellow man really reinforce my beliefs and way of thinking.  Wether or not you consider it terrorism is another story but it's just plain old brutality wether or not you try and justify it with some cause.

I wonder what half of the millions/billions spent in Iraq would do if we spent it domestically.  I'm not sure who on this board posted about that technology that can triangulate guy shots in seconds.  What could we do if we pumped some big dollars into depressed neighborhoods and gave kids more options than gangs, guns and drugs.  More cops, more parks or more community centers.  There are so many things but we're more concerned about liberating the Iraqi people while people in this country are practically held hostage by the violence in their neighborhoods.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2004, 12:54:43 PM »
Recently some commentators were taking the media to task for negative coverage of Iraq.  "All you here about is the violence and death but the mainstream/liberal media doesn't tell you that the murder rate in Baghdad isn't any worse than New York or Los Angeles."

I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop and the Marines to take Manhattan.      

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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2004, 01:06:37 PM »
The difference is suppossed to be that in Iraq the thugs were the government.  here in the US they are the criminals.

There is a difference when your country is ruled by gangs.  In Iraq, Saddam was the head of a very large, very ruthless gang.  I guess if you live in the wrong part of LA,  (Are there any right parts anymore?) that's controlled by a gang, it's about the same as living in Iraq.

The other problem is that our Govt. is criminal.

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2004, 01:36:18 PM »
What was most depressing about the original news story on this shooting was that the people in the car were investigated by the police to see what they might have done to provoke the shooting, did background checks on them, and retraced there steps that night. They came up with nothing. No gang affiliations, no confrontations that night, just out partying and then driving back home. They pull up to a stop light going on to a freeway - a car pulls up next to the driver's side and bam!!

This, sadly, is not that uncommon in the U.S., but is this really less horrible then the fate of the hostages taken by terrorist outside our own borders? To the media, apparently it is. Maybe if the killers had videotaped the shooting and sent it to the local television station, with demands that certain gang members be released from death row or more random shootings of young women will occur, it would have generated the same level of media coverage and more of an outrage. Maybe a domestic murder like Scott Peterson's case would be less newsworthy and this case would get more interest.

Anyone who would randomly shoot into a car like this, causing a death, has to be a hell of a lot more frightening then a man killing his wife and unborn child, as horrific as that is. This is domestic terrorism - on our soil, perpetrated by I would assume an American citizen upon another American, without radical religious faith guiding the killer, or any political agenda. Just your ordinary, random, what does Bill Cosby know anyway, punk who saw an opportunity to look big to the other punks in his car by doing the most cowardly thing a semi-human being could do.  
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty.....We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason.....We are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular....We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."