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« on: May 20, 2006, 09:17:07 AM »
So I broke down and went to go see Davinci Code last night.  The person I went with decided we go at 10:45, big mistake.  For starters don't go when it gets dark.

The movie seemed to fall short for me because I felt like it was hyped up quite a bit on the Internet and word of mouth around town.  Alot of the scenes were drawn way out yet at the same time things would happend that were not really explaned.  Without ruining it for others, you will notice Tom Hanks character does ( and thinks up) some crazy things without any kind of explanation as to how he was able to do what he did....yet the scene is like 45 minutes long  :D  Honestly the movie could have been about an hour shorter.  The story itself was not really that good or Ron Howard did a poor job of getting that script onto the screen.  One of the two.

As far as how much is fact or fiction in the movie.  I don't know I wish one of our relgious buffs around here could tell me.

Aside from one painfully obvious plot twist you could pretty much figure out what was going to happen at the end of the movie half way through.  Kinda makes you get antsy and want to get up to leave.  Unless you are a huge Tom Hanks fan or really enjoy the Catholic Church being painted as the worst gang in the history of the world I don't really recomend this.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2006, 09:58:18 PM »
All I can think about this is why Ron Howard?  He does his best work making light films.  Haven't read the book personally but I do know there are a lot of better choices for a thriller than mister Howard.

P.S. I seen Vlade Divac, aka Jean Reno was in the film.  Absolutely one of my favorite "Separated at Birth" duos.  B)

P.P.S.  Hope this doesn't kill Audrey Tatou's career.  She was adorable in Amelie and very solid in Dirty Pretty Things but I'm hearing that she does nothing to help the film.    

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2006, 12:06:31 AM »
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All I can think about this is why Ron Howard?  He does his best work making light films.  Haven't read the book personally but I do know there are a lot of better choices for a thriller than mister Howard.

P.S. I seen Vlade Divac, aka Jean Reno was in the film.  Absolutely one of my favorite "Separated at Birth" duos.  B)

P.P.S.  Hope this doesn't kill Audrey Tatou's career.  She was adorable in Amelie and very solid in Dirty Pretty Things but I'm hearing that she does nothing to help the film.
I thought Audrey Tatou did a decent  job in the movie.   Tom Hanks did a decent job also.    More of my problem was with the way and speed in which the movie went along.  Also the backstory on the characters left alot to be desired, like for example your boy Vlade  :D    You said exactly what I was thinking, Why Ron Howard?  This was a dark movie so they hire a person who has never done this type of movie (at least to my own knowledge).

I wish I could go into more detail on parts of the movie that turned me off to it but I do not want to spoil it for anyone.  The movie wasn't horrible but it surely is not one worth the current ticket prices at the movie theatres.  I'd say it was average.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2006, 02:56:48 PM »
Thanks for the reviews.  I haven't seen the movie, but read the book.

The book was fantastic a great read and a lot of fun.  When I heard the movie was comming out I got a little excited, but now that I think about it, this book is difficult to translate into the movie.

The book has lots of little puzzles and mysteries to solve and you solve them right along with the characters in the book.  In a film, these things happen too quickly and you can't get as enthused about the process.

As far as being historically accurate, a lot of people are trying to pooh-pooh Dan Brown.  The experts are eager to say that the female looking figure in Davinci's the last supper is really Peter and not Mary Magdalene.  But in truth no-one knows what Davinci's intention was, much less what he knew, creating this painting a over a thousand years after the fact.

The basic story is that Jesus and Mary were married and had offspring. - Who knows for sure? The Catholic church has systematically repressed the power of women in the church, which is a verifiable fact.  Women cannot be priests and sex is considered evil outside of the Church's sanction.

The Church is a power structure and has been for over a thousand years.  (This is a fact)  The Vatican is very wealthy and powerful (Fact) Millions of devout followers support the Church throughout Latin America and South America.  The new world was divided between Portugal and Spain by the Church (fact)  Today the dominant cultures in the America's outside of the US and Canada are Spanish.  (fact) The offical language of Brazil is Portuguese. (fact)

Within the western world, Northern Europe and the US and the former English colonies, the Church has become weaker and weaker.  The Scottish enlightenment and the separation between church and state has freed us from the tyranny of religious leaders holding any real power- a significant contrast between the West and the Muslim world!  

Western Europe didn't start to modernize or really develop until the Church was pushed into a diminished role by Martin Luther and Henry the 8th. The Protestant Church replaced the Catholic in Germany and England and broke the incredibly powerfull hold the Catholics had on political power. (fact)

I won't rush out to see the movie.  I would suggest that if you want to be entertained read the book. Not all of what I have written here comes from the book.  

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 03:28:34 PM »
"The book has lots of little puzzles and mysteries to solve and you solve them right along with the characters in the book. In a film, these things happen too quickly and you can't get as enthused about the process."

Funny you mention this Rick because this is a problem I had with the movie.  I did not get a chance to read the book but Tom Hanks' character solves puzzles in the movies so quickly it leaves the viewer wondering how he did it.  The only piece you get is the begging of the movie where it shows he publishes a book on sybolism.  That is it.  Kind of frustrating when you watch him crack all these puzzles within the first 30 minutes of the movie.  You are sitting there thinking to yourself 'uhh okay, how did he do that though and how did he do it so fast'

I am intrested in reading the book but only will do so if they actually develop the characters much better than the movie did.  One of the main characters, who you see the entire time, had no backround story other than he was a follower of Opus Dei.  That was it.  Kinda left alot to be desired in terms of understanding the main characters.
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2006, 06:29:35 PM »
I can't compare the two since I didn't see the movie.  But I loved the book, every main character was developed and gone into in significant detail.

I'm a quick reader anyway, but I had to slow down a bit to work on the riddles.  If you've ever done cryptograms or things like that it's very enjoyable.

Dan Brown has an interesting style as an author and he writes in such a way that you want to keep reading to find out what this or that character meant in the previous chapter.

How do you make things public so those you want to can know what you want them to without anyone else knowing?  Hide the meaning in something else, so that only those "in the know" will get the hidden meaning.  The average person will look at it and not even realize it's a puzzle to be solved.  

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2006, 05:19:30 PM »
Haven't seen the movie. I liked the book. I thought it was an entertaining read. It didn't shake my faith or anything. The suppression of women seems an obvious historical fact. The one part of the book that has zero factual backing is the marriage thing. Simply, no one from that time mentions a marriage for Jesus, no one. And even if he did marry, it doesn't seem to matter that much . . . it's not like it would keep him from living the perfect life that made him so important.

Overall, I liked the book. It was a well-crafted yarn that kept me going. I do, however, think that in addition to his fascination with secret societies and conspiracies (which I share), Dan Brown has a bit of a thing for sticking it to religion.

I'm looking forward to his next book, The Solomon Key. There's a rumor that even us Mormons are going to be in Brown's crosshairs. It'll be interesting.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 11:29:05 AM »
I both read the book and saw the movie while in Paris last week. This was a bit weird, in that the movie was in English, but some of the characters are, of course, French, and when they speak to each other, it is in French, with no subtitles, so we lost some of the dialogue. Since we had read the book, it mattered little though.

First off, I must disagree with Rick on one point. While the book was definitely a fast paced thriller with an excellent premise and plenty of mysterious symbols and puzzles to figure out, as well as establishing the backgrounds and credentials of each of the characters much more thoroughly then Ron Howard managed in a two hur movie, Brown just sucks as a writer. I say that after also reading his "Angels and Demons" predecessor to the Da Vince Code. There is a right way and a wrong way to provide for tense moments in a story and Brown continuously failed to find the correct way of doing that.

And since Rick also kind of gave away a key premise of the story. (Jesus supposedly was married to Mary Magdelin), it also should be noted that much of what was stated by Brown regarding the establishment of the Catholic Church much as we know it today came from that "First Council of Nicaea" they mention in the story. At that council, most of the Books of the Bible, according to Brown, were first selected, and there were more then just the ones that were included. That part of the story is not quite true.

I read this explanation from a document regarding the canons of the New Testiment: "It wasn’t until the fourth century at the Council of Hippo in AD393 that our present New Testament was officially accepted by the orthodox Church.  Although it should be stated, leading up to this event, the twenty-seven books that make-up the corpus of our New Testament was in circulation among the early Christians." The actual books of the New Testiment were written over the centuries from the days of Jesus Christ to the fourth century.

This is probably one of the touchiest points of the Church, because the beliefs of the Catholics up to this very day date from the decisions of these "men" who attended these councils, and NOT necessarily as thought to have been set down by Jesus or even God himself. If men were therefore left to decide the direction the Church was to follow, it means that whatever information at their disposal that disagreed with their decrees and thoughts at that time were likely left out or ignored, which is the premise Brown evokes.

They had to convince a more or less ignorant population to switch from pagonism to Catholicism. Much of the pagen believes and symbols were thus magically morphed into Catholic believes and symbols, masqueraded with slightly different intent. So Lares, the individual household gods worshipped by the Romans and others, were changes to Saints, and basilicas became large houses of worship for catholics, as they were to Julius Caesar. The title of Pompus Maximus sounds Roman, because that was the title given to the religious leader of the Roman Empire as well as our modern day Pope. Convenient.

But what Brown is implying, is that much, much more documentation from Jesus' time was just not included in the final book of worship that was to guide the Church and its followers till the end of time. Apparently some of these disapproved "Books of the Bible" still might exist, held by secret organizations and even held within the massive library in Vatican City (read the "Angels and Demons" book by Brown for more on that).

Opens up a great deal of speculation on the subject, doesn't it? Brown has done his homework on this speculation and wrote a somewhat controversial book(s) on the theme, which creates some debate I would venture is not all that welcome by the Catholic Church at this time. Six or seven hundred years ago, they would have burned the books, and Dan Brown, for spreading heresy.
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 12:26:03 PM »
As a side note, my wife and I visited three of the prominent sites referred to in the Da Vince Code. We went to the Lourve, but not the Denon wing. We went to the Richelieu wing instead. The Denon wing is where the Mona Lisa is located and where the Da Vince Code starts out.

We also visited Paris' Saint-Sulpice church, where the supposed "Rose Line" (Roselyn) runs up to the obelisk in front of which the monk Silas breaks through the floor, looking for the key. This, of course, is actually an astrological line and the obelisk is part of the summer and winter solstice experiment conducted back in the 18th century by astrologers of that time.

In London, we found the 12th century Knight's Templar church that contains the effigies of early Templer Knights, including the famous 'Marshall" family members. It is located in the middle of the oldest law school in England and most of the surrounding buildings are either part of the school or contain law offices, but since they were all originally constructed in Elizabethian times, they are attractive in their own right. The important buildings and the Temple are only open to the public between 10 and noon most days, with special events at other times. Lately, those special events are lectures regarding the Da Vince Code. Tours at both the Louvre and Saint-Sulpice church also focus on the book.

BTW, during World War II, the Nazis bombed this whole area thoroughly, so most of the Elizabethian buildings had to be reconstructed from that time. The Temple had nearly all its original stained glass windows blown out when a direct hit obliterated the Lamb Building next door. Now, you would not see any evidence of the war's devastation in the entire area, but where the Lamb Building had been is now a plaza next to the Church.  
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