Can someone post a picture for me

[Reality]

W.O.W is too slow and I'm technomologically challenged.
It's an MLB pic so i want to post while baseball is still on.

A pic i think you're gonna want to see.
I need an email addy.

[Reality]

Spok my superb but grouchy and time pressed I.T. dude said to post it to a website then html link it here.  English please.  Off he went for his 8th cup of coffee.  

Also sf101 I'm trying to see which site (if any) the pic came off of, i dunno yet as i rec'd it as an email.

Easiest thing is for me to just email it.

[Derek Bodner]

http://www.phillyarena.net/a-rod.jpg

[westkoast]

You know that is a really good shot.  I didn't see it from that angle.  The Bo Sox player was CLEARLY in his way, open handed slap on the ball or not.  I guess I take back what I said earlier about loosing respect for him arguing.  He could have easily been arguing about the interference.

[Reality]

Gracias dabods.

Now while of course my main reason for posting is for a Hoot, does this shed light on our "Obstruction or not" thread discussion to the T?

I know Ted will certainly want to continue the discussion.
Along with Dyna the Hooters waitress, dabods, ziggy, Wolf, WestKoast, myself and all others interested.
Wolf, based on pitcher and 1Bs feet and MLBs definition, is this Obstruction?

[westkoast]

Gracias dabods.

Now while of course my main reason for posting is for a Hoot, does this shed light on our "Obstruction or not" thread discussion to the T?

I know Ted will certainly want to continue the discussion.
Along with Dyna the Hooters waitress, dabods, ziggy, Wolf, WestKoast, myself and all others interested.
Wolf, based on pitcher and 1Bs feet and MLBs definition, is this Obstruction?

Hes clearly in the way.  No getting around that from this picture.  If A-rod would have kept his hands to himself he would have got on base and Jeter would have scored.  Even if he did slap the ball but made it look like he was trying to get out of the way of hitting the guy blocking first base the call should have went his way.

Really tho, thats a tough call.  He slapped the ball away but he had no way to go because the base was being blocked.

[Derek Bodner]

Keep in mind, that's after the swipe.


When the tag was actually applied (and thus, when the play would have been dead from his perspective) A-Rod was at least one stride back towards home plate and the first baseman was 1 stride back towards first base.  If you look at the picture, he had already slapped and extended followed through.

Really, the only way he could have been obstructed was if he fanned on the tag, in which case he would have been safe anyway.

[westkoast]

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtd...s/arodpurse.jpg


:rofl: :rofl:

[ziggy]

Keep in mind, that's after the swipe.


When the tag was actually applied (and thus, when the play would have been dead from his perspective) A-Rod was at least one stride back towards home plate and the first baseman was 1 stride back towards first base.  If you look at the picture, he had already slapped and extended followed through.

Really, the only way he could have been obstructed was if he fanned on the tag, in which case he would have been safe anyway.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  You hit the nail on the head.

[spursfan101]

Funny how nobody mentioned THE PURSE!  :cheers:  

[Laker Fan]

IF you look at it from Tivo, Koast, Derek is exactly correct, you back that action up one full stride, which is where Rodriguez open palm hand-slapped Arroyo's glove, than Doug Mientkiewicz is at least 5-6 feet further away from Rodriguez and Arroyo's glove is already within a foot of coming into contact with him as by that time they were nearly paralleling each other as they ran.

Conclusion? No way obstruction would have ever been an issue because Arroyo would have tagged him out well before obstruction would have come into play and Rodriguez, even from this angle, is till running full speed within the base path, had already deliberately knocked the ball loose, and had not even reached Mientkiewicz yet which is where he veered off the base path and did not even touch Mientkiewicz as he missed the bag. If he had wanted to be theatrical, he could have faked running into Mientkiewicz as he tried to touch first base and tried to win sympathy that way, oh wait, no he couldn't have, because Arroyo would have already tagged him out a good 5 feet earlier, unless of course he slapped the ball away AND ran into Mientkiewicz, in which case he might have gotten ejected for violence ( :rolleyes: ).

The point is, this is the biggest non-issue I have read in a while, short of Arroyo pulling a Bill Buckner like choke and muffing the tag, (unlikely, the replay shows it would have been a clean tag) this was a clean a call as an official could ever make, he interfered, he got caught, he would have been out, he couldn't escape the inevitable other than to cheat, and the officials made absolutely the corect call, and, the sweetest of all, the STINKIN' DIRTY YANKEES get to watch this one from home. Go Sox!!!

[Reality]

Keep in mind, that's after the swipe.


When the tag was actually applied (and thus, when the play would have been dead from his perspective) A-Rod was at least one stride back towards home plate and the first baseman was 1 stride back towards first base.  If you look at the picture, he had already slapped and extended followed through.

Really, the only way he could have been obstructed was if he fanned on the tag, in which case he would have been safe anyway.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  You hit the nail on the head.

LFD writes:  IF you look at it from Tivo, Koast, Derek is exactly correct, you back that action up one full stride, which is where Rodriguez open palm hand-slapped Arroyo's glove, than Doug Mientkiewicz is at least 5-6 feet further away from Rodriguez and Arroyo's glove is already within a foot of coming into contact with him as by that time they were nearly paralleling each other as they ran.

 

Entirely incorrect about 1b Mientkiewicz being 5-6 feet further away and a step closer to 1st base a second before the photo was snapped (and tag applied.)  He had already come in.  At the point of contact he had stopped and was trying to back up.  Mientkiewicz is backing up in the photo still shot.  A second before he was even closer to Arroyo.

When Arroyo applied the would-be tag, he, Arod and Mein are all buched up within about two feet of each other.  Maybe even one foot.  Here is another link if you don't have TIVO.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ps/y2004...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Now as to it being moot because Arroyo applied the tag, I would say yes.  However, keep in mind what Wolf posted regarding MLBs own rule.  In the still shot look at where both Arroyos and Meins feet are.  Inside the rectangle.  Only one foot of Arroyos but it's still in.  Mein has both feet in and is definitely between ARods and ARods path to 1B.  Repeat, Mein has stopped then is attempting to go backwords, not forwards.  

It's Arod who veers to the right after the swat.  Why I don't know.
Had ARod continued straight fwd not veering right and bumped into Mein (only a foot or two away), it would have been BOOM-tag-BOOM-contact with Mein.  ARods then flopping for effect helping get the umps sympathy?  Regrettably i suppose it would ala NBA style.  But MLB does not call Obstruction.

Using the MLB rule Wolf posted, would it have been Obstruction?  Not asking you if it would have been called.