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« on: August 15, 2004, 02:05:04 PM »
Today's game kinda reminded me of a few games in Staples center during the finals this past year.  

If anyone saw today's game then you know what I mean R.I.P USA Basketball.....The Euro's are one thing but to loose to PR?  Wow.  All time low in all these guys career.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2004, 09:03:43 AM »
Was it great while it lasted?  Apart from the 92 team how many of the teams were truly great and played to there potential? How many of our international teams just slogged through, behaved like jerks and won because they were more talented.  Aske yourself which of those teams did you actually ENJOY watching?

Honestly this year's team would be better by adding....ME!  Or for that matter, anyone else on this board who can HIT A JUMPER!!!  

 

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2004, 09:17:50 AM »
So what does the loss mean to our Olympic standing?  Do we still have a chance for gold?

Not that our players NEED any more.  Got plenty of gold already in their TEETH!  DOH! :eek2:  
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2004, 09:44:47 AM »
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So what does the loss mean to our Olympic standing?  Do we still have a chance for gold?

Not that our players NEED any more.  Got plenty of gold already in their TEETH!  DOH! :eek2:
Means nothing really, they need to finish in the top 4 (in a pool of 6) to advance to the medal round.

Didn't watch the game so I'll try and catch a re-run then contact Larry Brown immediately.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2004, 09:55:55 AM »
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Was it great while it lasted?  Apart from the 92 team how many of the teams were truly great and played to there potential? How many of our international teams just slogged through, behaved like jerks and won because they were more talented.  Aske yourself which of those teams did you actually ENJOY watching?

Honestly this year's team would be better by adding....ME!  Or for that matter, anyone else on this board who can HIT A JUMPER!!!
Actually I liked watching some of the games.  Like when Vince Carter jumped over that guy to dunk for example.  It was nice to see the NBA players be taken out of their element and have them compete with countries who are now starting to really get into basketball.  Am I the only one who enjoyed watching the foreign talent grow ever since basketball took a more global stage?

As much as I would like to blame this all on the players, which deserve 75% of the blame.  The refs were a little funny style yesterday.  PR could get away with everything and the US team couldnt even stand within a few inches without getting a foul called.  Still refs help or not this team should not have lost by 20.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2004, 10:03:40 AM »
I mean, RIchard Jefferson and Odom are on this team.  THe best of the best? I don't think so. Still think it's a travesty that Christan Laetner wasn't on this team... :hail:

Actually, I found myself CHEERING for the Puerto Ricans.  They played team ball, a concept these ball hoggers no nothing about.

If HORSE was an Olympic sport, our players would beat them HANDS DOWN! :rofl:  
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2004, 10:42:26 AM »
3-25 on threes.  What a joke.  AI and the rest of them just kept firing them up, kept missing, and then fired somemore.  Made me think I was watching Derek Andersen again.  I am sure LB was wishing he had Chauncy and Rip out there instead of losers he had
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2004, 11:30:24 AM »
We lose to Italy, we lose to Puerto Rico, we might as well have lost to Germany, and still, I see that the media JUST DOESN'T GET THE MESSAGE.

"The US didn't send their best players," some articles read.

And if we had, it wouldn't have mattered.

How many 3-pointers are Garnett, Shaq, McGrady, and Kobe going to hit?  How many crisp touch passes are they going to throw?

A good offense in more ways resembles the choreographed passing of the Harlem Globetrotters than it does an NBA offense that Garnett, Shaq, McGrady, Kobe, or any other pro player plays.  The ball touches your hands and you know where it's supposed to go - so you move it.  Putting more athletic players on the court won't do the team any good at all.

There are TWO WAYS to beat a 2-3 zone.  One is to shoot over it, and hit outside shots to the point that the other team is forced to come out of the zone.  That's the Dallas Mavericks' way.  It's the George Karl's Milwaukee Bucks' way.  It's the INFERIOR way - because a team can go 3 for 24 from long range and get blown out because of it.

The second way is to move the ball around the court, and make the zone defense work.  Reverse the ball movement.  Feed the ball to a passer underneath the zone, kick the ball out, skip pass, feed the cutter, dump to the underneath man.  Of course, this requires people who can throw a pass before dribbling all the air out of the ball.

We should have seen this coming from the moment that SYRACUSE and zonemaster Jimmy Boeheim won an NCAA championship.  US Basketball - at all levels - simply can't beat a good 2-3 zone anymore.

And how do you keep a zone team from playing zone, if your offense falls apart?  YOU PRESS.  A 1-2-1-1 zone press - the likes of which hasn't been seen in the NBA in years - forces a higher tempo.  Of course, you actually have to know how to play a 1-2-1-1 zone press in order for it to work.  Or you can play a 1-3-1 half court zone trap, and force turnovers - especially if you've got tall, mobile people - folks like Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Andrei Kirilenko, Dirk Nowitzki, Yao Ming...oh.  Oops.  I forgot.  Shaquille O'Neal is supposed to be one of our fixes...and I can't use talented foreign players that rely on skill and maintain their weight.

Send our best players.  The world wants to beat them, too - especially if they've got no better sense than to do what this team is doing.

 
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2004, 12:37:32 PM »
From the local paper....a good summary of what is wrong with this "dream" team.

Web Posted: 08/16/2004 12:00 AM CDT


San Antonio Express-News

ATHENS, Greece — Put Michael Redd, the Milwaukee Bucks sharpshooter, on one side of the floor. Put a mere backup, maybe new Spur Brent Barry, on the other side.

What does Puerto Rico do? Lose.

Either Redd or Barry would throw in jumper after jumper from the shorter international three-point line, or Tim Duncan would show one island what a guy from another island can do.

So why did USA Basketball pass on players such as Redd, and why were role players such as Barry not even considered? Why did USA Basketball instead choose young stars such as LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony? After Sunday, the reason is comical.

Larry Brown saw nothing funny when his squad became the first U.S. team in Olympic history to lose in the prelims, and the first to lose with NBA players. Worse was how.

The Americans played as Brown feared they would, as a band of talented but clueless souls. Brown said he was "angry — because the mentality of our team was like this from day one."

He didn't name Allen Iverson, though insiders suggest his distractions have never stopped. But this goes deeper than Iverson, who hung around and competed Sunday. This involves a changing world, and how USA Basketball has failed to address it.

Go back to 1988. Then, David Robinson took heat because he and his all-college teammates lost. In review? At least, they lost to a power, the Soviet Union, and by only six points.

Nonetheless, America was outraged then. So, the best were sent to Barcelona, not far from Athens, and the 1992 Dream Team beat opponents by an average of 43.8 points.

Everyone thought that was that. But the 2002 World Championships suggested what this Olympic team has officially confirmed. Once the very best are skimmed from the U.S. pool, what is left must be carefully assembled.

An example Sunday: Carlos Arroyo, who started for the Jazz last season, was clearly the best point guard on the floor. "He knows how to play this game," said his teammate, Daniel Santiago.

How many American point guards do? After Jason Kidd and Mike Bibby, who stayed home, how many others see the floor and the dynamics of a team? It's no coincidence that Arroyo, Tony Parker and Steve Nash come from other places.


Still, the overall depth of ability is in America, which is why Puerto Rico's Roberto Hatton ran off the floor Sunday yelling, "We shocked the world." He knows what an upset this was. Elias Ayuso, a Puerto Rican guard who scored 15 points, shocked no one last fall.

Then, the Spurs cut him before he played a minute.

But Ayuso has a role on his team. He's nicknamed "The Rifle" because he can shoot.

The Americans are not as concerned with such details when they put together their teams. They gather them as they did the original Dream Team, with more concern toward global marketing than success.

That's how both James and Anthony were added to a group already loaded with athletic slashers. And that's how a reliable outside shooter such as Rip Hamilton was asked so late that he declined.


That's also how Sunday happened. Puerto Rico's plan was to collapse on Duncan, which is not overly original. The Spurs deal with that about 82 times every regular season.

It's also why the Spurs try to find shooters, and why they signed Barry this summer.

USA Basketball didn't do the same, and this was the result Sunday: Richard Jefferson once got the ball 15 feet from the basket and not one Puerto Rico player approached him.

Puerto Rico was telling him to shoot away (he went 3 for 16), and the Spurs did the same in the 2003 NBA Finals. As Santiago said, "We were really packing it in to focus on Duncan."

Afterward James, still 19 and ever the spokesman, had a few things to say. "We've lost before," he said, which is a pattern no American has admitted to in international play.

"We're not going to be hanging our heads," he continued, trying to be upbeat. "We can still win a medal."

It's come to that.

The Americans are still selling their tall talents, their superstars, their endorsement figures.

Whose goal, now, is to win a medal.



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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2004, 01:14:46 PM »
Pefectly said; I love Buck Harvey, how he manages to stay in this small-market town and not go to a major news magazine or city is beyond me.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2004, 01:57:12 PM »
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I mean, RIchard Jefferson and Odom are on this team.  THe best of the best? I don't think so. Still think it's a travesty that Christan Laetner wasn't on this team... :hail:

Actually, I found myself CHEERING for the Puerto Ricans.  They played team ball, a concept these ball hoggers no nothing about.

If HORSE was an Olympic sport, our players would beat them HANDS DOWN! :rofl:
In 1992 the Dream Team was "Shock and Awe", and the 2004 team is playing basketball in a more "Sensitive" way.  :D  
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