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Kobe wants changes NOW!
« on: May 04, 2007, 09:31:16 AM »
I think the Lakers were suckered into being complacent last year after taking the Suns to the brink of elimination.  It's been obvious that the Lakers lack talent, the Shaq trade did not get the Lakers much in return, and while I really like Odom's versatility I can't stand his inconsistency from quarter to quarter/ game to game/week to week.

Kobe has given his team mates a chance to prove themselves throughout the season and playoffs but the don't repsond.  Smush/Kwame/RadMan/Cook MUST go, Odom/Bynum/Walton/Evans/Sasha CAN go if it brings L.A. a player that can really help the Lakers.  Can we dream KG?  I'm not to excited about the article's mentioning of JO, he's a big whinning wuss, we've got a big whinner in Kobe and a big wusses in Kwame and Cook, don't need that packaged into one player.  I really thing it needs to be a front court player to make the Lakers a contendor but a solid back court player will help the Lakers out of the 2nd round.

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After disappointing season, Kobe wants changes 'now'By Marc Stein

ESPN.com

When his season ended in the early hours of Thursday morning, Kobe Bryant squeezed off a couple more shots.

At his own team.

Wearing a white blazer and a look of exasperation, Bryant plopped down behind an NBA TV microphone and tersely spelled out what he hopes to see from his Los Angeles Lakers bosses between now and October.

"Do something," Bryant told reporters in Phoenix, "and do it now."

Something significant on the trade front, in other words, with the Lakers lacking the salary-cap flexibility to chase a marquee free agent like Chauncey Billups.

"Especially for me, it's beyond frustration, three years and still being at ground zero," Bryant continued. "So this summer's a big summer."

It'll be a biggie whether you're sympathetic to Bryant's plight or not, because few teams in the league are likely to be as active this offseason as the Lakers.

After they exited the playoffs in five games this time, only occasionally troubling a Phoenix team it took to seven games in the 2006 playoffs, NBA front-office sources say L.A. is expected to make every one of its players available -- except Bryant -- in an attempt to craft a mix that can return the franchise to the Western Conference elite for the first time since Shaquille O'Neal's departure in 2004.

Here's your first look at what that means for a variety of Lakers:

KOBE BRYANT

With Lakerland clearly in need of a hopeful sign or two after this five-game exit in Round 1 and a measly two wins over playoff teams after February, this is the best double-fisted tonic we can offer:

1. In our recent chat with Kobe during this series, he stressed that, yes, he wants to retire a Laker.

2. During that chat, Kobe also disputed the notion that the Lakers will only see the 28-year-old's best for a few more years.

"I think I can play at this level for another six, seven years," Bryant said. "I still have one more bullet to fire."

Translation: Bryant ranks as the game's greatest singular talent while eating pretty much anything he wants. By changing his diet when necessary, Kobe figures he can extend his longevity as an All-Star.

So ...

If Bryant is right, Laker Lovers needn't worry that Kobe's window for winning a championship without Shaquille O'Neal is down to two or three more playoff runs.

The concern, if you want to fret, is Bryant's patience. He will be forever blamed for running Shaq off, even though Lakers owner Jerry Buss wanted to trade Shaq more than Kobe and had the biggest say in it, but arguing about that now only distracts from the pressing issue: How much longer can Bryant take mediocrity before he starts to reconsider those plans about retiring in purple and gold?

With four more years left on his contract after this season at a tidy $88.6 million, Bryant does possess the option to re-enter the free-agent market two years from now in the summer of 2009. And surely you heard Bryant's proclamation last week that "we definitely have to get that elite level and get to that elite level, like, now."

Interpretation: He's more than ready for some big-name help and loves the idea of trading anyone necessary to bring in his buddy Jermaine O'Neal, who's said to be just as high on the idea.

Maybe he doesn't trust his teammates as much as he should sometimes, but how far would this group go, realistically, if Kobe trusted them without reservation? Even when healthy -- even had they been able to keep building on that 23-11 start without a flurry of injuries -- these Lakers aren't close to championship material.

That's why the entire NBA expects the Lakers to be trade aggressors now to re-energize their downcast franchise player after passing on a trade for Jason Kidd at the February deadline and unraveling from there.

PHIL JACKSON

It's true: Jackson wants to know that he'll have more to work with roster-wise before committing to a contract extension. But the safe bet, according to team insiders, remains that the Zenmeister will consent to tack on at least one more season after next season, which is when he'll complete the original three-year commitment he made upon returning to the club.

Having spent significant time with the Lakers during the playoffs, I can tell you that Jackson doesn't come across as a tortured soul these days. Even though L.A. didn't come close to winning its first playoff series since 2004 or narrowing the huge gap between the team's current standing and winning a 10th championship ring, Jackson understands what he's been working with, talent-wise, for the past two seasons.

Although he's actually absorbed some rare media criticism recently for his inability to halt L.A.'s 12-16 fade after the All-Star break, let's be clear here: Jackson remains the Lakers' only other All-Star. He and Bryant, furthermore, are bonded in the quest to win at least more title together.

So he wants to stick around, provided that the following issues are addressed.

A. Jackson has always been happier coaching veterans and would surely prefer more seasoned role players around Bryant.

B. But health is also a factor. The 61-year-old needs to have his other hip replaced after undergoing replacement surgery on his right hip during training camp. He's expected to complete the second operation shortly after the season ends, to be ready for his Hall of Fame induction in September, but the physical toll can't be discounted.

LAMAR ODOM

If there's been a braver player in the NBA this season, I'd love to hear about him. Because I don't see one.

After long-term knee and shoulder injuries -- which followed the unspeakable loss of his six-month-old son over the summer -- Odom just keeps playing on, trying as hard as he can to be Kobe's Scottie Pippen.

He's still not there, agreed, but I don't think he ever had a chance this season. Not after a bad knee sprain in December and definitely not after the shoulder tear he suffered in March, which should have sent him to surgery if Odom hadn't vowed to delay the operation until after the season.

There was also a hyperextended elbow Odom picked up during the Phoenix series, as if the man with the NBA's heaviest heart hadn't suffered enough.

(An aside: The first thing that catches your eye when you walk into the Lakers' locker room is a supersized white T-shirt hanging in Odom's locker, sporting the smiling likeness of his late son Jayden. Basketball might be his sanctuary, but Odom was intent on keeping Jayden's spirit close by even at work.)

Yet in spite of all of his resilience, capped by a 33-point sign-off in Wednesday night's Game 5 elimination, Odom is the first to concede that he's the most likely Laker to move if L.A. has any shot at pairing Jermaine O'Neal or its other fantasy target -- Minnesota's Kevin Garnett -- with Kobe.

There are a couple other Lakers listed below who can enhance a trade package. But with only two seasons left on his contract at $27.4 million, as well as the frontcourt versatility that teams crave in the modern game, Odom is the Lakers' most sellable asset ... since they're not about to move Bryant.

"I love it here," Odom told Bill Plaschke of the Los Angeles Times and ESPN's "Around the Horn." "I hope I have done enough to prove that I belong here the rest of my career. But as a team, sometimes you get stuck between a rock and a hard place. We're expected to win, and we haven't won, and they're going to do everything they can to get back to winning."

ANDREW BYNUM

The 19-year-old was an untouchable in February trade talks, preventing the Lakers from acquiring Kidd from New Jersey. I agreed with the Lakers' logic, too, figuring that a 7-footer this mobile and promising can't be surrendered for an expensive, thirtysomething guard whose arrival wouldn't automatically put L.A. in the West's elite alongside Dallas, Phoenix and San Antonio.

However ...

I see it differently now, for at least three reasons.

1. Kidd is an assassin like Kobe. A playoff-tested winner. The Lakers would probably be better with Kidd than skeptics think.

2. The Lakers, by all accounts, could have excluded Odom from a Kidd deal -- as well as an earlier swap that Sacramento backed out of involving Mike Bibby -- as long as they included Bynum. Would you rather start over with a duo of, say, Kobe and Jermaine ... or the trio of Kobe, Kidd and Odom?

3. Kidd, like Odom, is under contract for only two more seasons, so gambling on his ability to stay healthy at 34 and adapt to Jackson's triangle offense is not the sort of risk that would cripple L.A. cap-wise for ages.

Oh, yeah. There's a bigger reason than any of those three: Bryant and Jackson don't appear to be huge Bynum fans. Neither seems terribly excited about waiting for Bynum to develop.

It's a mood Jackson summed up rather neatly when he was asked about an hour before Game 1 if he was "interested" to see what kind of interior affect Bynum could have against the size-challenged Suns.

"Not really," Jackson quipped.

So if you're committed to Kobe and Phil, it makes sense to pursue their kind of players, unless you're certain Bynum is a franchise center in waiting.

The problem? Jerry Buss' son Jim was a driving force behind the drafting of Bynum with the No. 10 pick in the 2005 draft and badly wants to keep his pet project off-limits. If Jackson were to refuse an extension -- or even leave the organization before next season in a worst-case scenario -- this matter figures to be the biggest wedge.

EVERYONE ELSE

The Smush Parker Experience, you can safely assume, is over. The Lakers need a reliable ballhandler more than anything else and Parker, who was never really starter material, has been clashing with Jackson for weeks, ensuring his exit.

The other lightning rod from Kobe's supporting cast -- Kwame Brown -- is also likely to move on, despite the surprising chants of "Kwa-me, Kwa-me" heard at Staples Center during both of L.A.'s home games against the Suns.

Trading for Brown actually did make some sense at the time because the Lakers badly needed size. Two seasons later, though, Brown remains an injury-prone underachiever ... while Caron Butler has blossomed into an All-Star forward in the East and Washington's foremost tough guy. Worse yet, with teams going smaller and smaller in today's NBA, L.A. probably could have gotten away with playing Kobe, Odom and Butler as a trio more than it might have a few years back.

But it's not Butler's success that makes Kwame's departure inevitable. It's his salary: Brown has only next season left on his contract at $9 million. Any team that deals with the Lakers on a major trade will want that expiring contract.

The Lakers have four free agents besides Parker: Aaron McKie, Chris Mihm, Shammond Williams and Luke Walton. Retaining Walton is the only must, but upgrading the overall talent is the bigger priority, so Walton -- a fine role player who also played hurt like Odom -- isn't put in a position that requires him to be L.A.'s third-best player.

In what Kobe calls Year 3 at Ground Zero, that's what Walton was.

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.
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Re: Kobe wants changes NOW!
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2007, 11:02:21 AM »
Yeah well so does KG, Wade, Gasol, and a few others.  The Lakers really haven't made a lot of progress since Shaq left. It's not easy to recapture the quality play of a playoff team when you're only building with one solid piece.

And in the West getting back to elite status is a pretty tough challenge with only one solid piece. 

The obvious answer is free agency, and I for one think the addition of O'Neal would make a big difference for the Lakers.  Even then, the Lakers will need a lot more than that to match up with San Antonio or Phoenix.

The problem is the Lakers have big men that they can't decide on.  Either their stiffs, journeymen or working their way into becoming decent Centers.  Seems to me most good Centers are pretty effective right away.  Not with their decisions, but with their aggresiveness in rebounding and boxing out.

There are exceptions, like foreign players who didn't grow up playing basketball and are learning the game as they play, but I don't think Kwame or Bynum fit in that category.

Kobe is going to have to decide if he's willing to be patient and give the Lakers time to build a team for him, or if he's better off going somewhere else.  He may want another ring more than want to retire a Laker.

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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2007, 11:31:59 AM »
I hear you rick, and I agree for the most part except for Bynum.  HS and even some College big men have to adjust to the NBA in terms of their sized not being enough.  They are used to just raising their arms and getting the job done, like you stated, they have to learn the fundamentals of position and boxing out and not just "out big'ing" the opposition.

Turiaf does a decent job in that regard but he too finds himself out of position and I can't stand how Kwame just shrugs and walks back down court if the ball doesn't land right into his hands off a rebound or lose ball.

Kobe sort of got what he asked for so you have to be careful about what you ask for.  He's "the man" for the Lakers, now he has to nut up and take it until he can get some help.  I hope the Lakers can get him some help, while he's accomplished enough to make any player happy with his career, Kobe's drive will not allow him to be complacent.  Good for him but he's got to deal with it in the right way and not get frustrated.  Hope he deals with it better than he has to date.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2007, 11:51:04 AM »
It must not bother Kobe THAT much or he could just ask for a contract restructure (david robinson) and use some of his salary to get some better peices around him....too bad Kobe.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2007, 12:01:26 PM »
First off, there is no position on the NBA court that requires time for the players to develop fully then center. It takes at least five years for good centers to evolve, so maybe showing a bit of patience with Bynum is in order here.

And second, compared to the Kings, the Lakers are just wannabe playas in the summer exchange program. There is flat out no other team on the planet that needs a complete roster overhaul more then SacTown.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2007, 12:42:44 PM »
First off, there is no position on the NBA court that requires time for the players to develop fully then center. It takes at least five years for good centers to evolve, so maybe showing a bit of patience with Bynum is in order here.

And second, compared to the Kings, the Lakers are just wannabe playas in the summer exchange program. There is flat out no other team on the planet that needs a complete roster overhaul more then SacTown.i

Lew Alcindor, AKA Kareem won a Championship his first year.  Olajuwon was a monster when he came out of College.  Moses Malone was a monster straight out of high school.  Wilt Chamberlain was the best Center in the NBA in his rookie year.   Bill Russel was a great center with his college in San Francisco. Bill Walton was great right out of UCLA.  Daryle Dawkins was a quality NBA big man right out of high school.  David Robinson was a great center right out of the Naval Academy.  Kevin McHale was a monster his first year out of college.

Most great centers are ready by the time they hit the NBA.  Everyone that I listed was a top-notch center and they were that way the first time they put on the uniform.  The inside game hasn't changed with the exception of that stupid semi-circle, which doesn't affect post moves.

All of these guys could dribble, pass, jump to block shots, push other people out of their way, or get around them without a foul being called, and dunk.  They were faster, stronger and more - coordinated than the other people playing that position.  The only thing that time gave them was a better outside shot, and sometimes the ability to make free throws.

There are more 7 footers in the NBA than ever, but players like Dalembert or Hunter will never make anyone think about Moses Malone!

The Kings are definitely in need of a major overhaul, they really don't have anyone to build around.  It looks like things are going to have to get worse there, before they get some decent draft picks. 

Half the teams in the NBA are in that boat though.

Look at how long Paul Pierce has languished with crappy teams in Boston.  Kobe should talk to Paul.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2007, 12:58:27 PM »
^^ and most recently Amare Stoudamire.

Lets get Jomal a Melita Cappacino going this morning.

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2007, 03:06:31 PM »
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Lew Alcindor, AKA Kareem won a Championship his first year.  Olajuwon was a monster when he came out of College.  Moses Malone was a monster straight out of high school.  Wilt Chamberlain was the best Center in the NBA in his rookie year.   Bill Russel was a great center with his college in San Francisco. Bill Walton was great right out of UCLA.  Daryle Dawkins was a quality NBA big man right out of high school.  David Robinson was a great center right out of the Naval Academy.  Kevin McHale was a monster his first year out of college.

The point being that Shaq and maybe Mourning were the last, true centers to come into the league and dominate. Yao Ming certainly did not, nor did Howard, Wallace, Olowokandi, Okafor, Miller, Kamen, Curry, Chandler, Bosh, Milicic, or Bogut. And since I really am not talking about clearly dominant guys at this position, but developmental guys. They just tend to take longer to become serviceable centers at the NBA level over other positions on the floor.     

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Most great centers are ready by the time they hit the NBA.  Everyone that I listed was a top-notch center and they were that way the first time they put on the uniform.  The inside game hasn't changed with the exception of that stupid semi-circle, which doesn't affect post moves.


The League is getting smaller, though. The lack of true, dominant centers has forced the size reduction. The hybriad forward/center position is now becoming the norm.

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There are more 7 footers in the NBA than ever, but players like Dalembert or Hunter will never make anyone think about Moses Malone!


They won't make you think of Charles Barkley either, but who, at 6"5, could rebound better?

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The Kings are definitely in need of a major overhaul, they really don't have anyone to build around.  It looks like things are going to have to get worse there, before they get some decent draft picks. 

Half the teams in the NBA are in that boat though.

Look at how long Paul Pierce has languished with crappy teams in Boston.  Kobe should talk to Paul.


I agree, except we are talking the Lakers here. If you did a poll of all NBA players, I guarantee you that if each of them listed the top five teams for which they would play, the Lakers would be somewhere on the list of 80% of the players. Boston and Sacramento, for various reasons, would not be on 10%. Makes recruiting nearly impossible.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2007, 03:22:05 PM »
I didn't realize Amare Stoudamire was a true center, that is crazy.  Considering he doesn't have a real back to the basket game this is pretty amazing.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2007, 03:37:32 PM »
Try watching a Phx game. :D

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2007, 03:43:58 PM »
Try watching a Phx game. :D

Considering they just played my favorite team I watched 5 games....I didn't see much of a back to the basket game.  What I did see what alot of pick and roll and jump shots.

Maybe you should take your own advice?  If you watched the game you would know Amare was not strong enough to bang with Kwame in the post which is why his points came on jumpers and passes from Nash.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2007, 03:48:19 PM »
Try watching a Phx game. :D

Considering they just played my favorite team I watched 5 games....I didn't see much of a back to the basket game.  What I did see what alot of pick and roll and jump shots.

Maybe you should take your own advice?
So if a player does not have a back to the basket game he is not a center.  Got it.

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2007, 03:51:12 PM »
Maybe Shaq could be brought back to the Lakers to team with Kobe.

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2007, 04:28:15 PM »
It also is odd that Kobe would like the team to go out and get Jermaine O'Neal. While he would be a good player for the Lakers, he is not going to make them upper echelon either, not without some additional pieces, and frankly there will be few takers for the majority of the players on the LA team that would bring any quality in.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2007, 12:43:34 PM »
It also is odd that Kobe would like the team to go out and get Jermaine O'Neal. While he would be a good player for the Lakers, he is not going to make them upper echelon either, not without some additional pieces, and frankly there will be few takers for the majority of the players on the LA team that would bring any quality in.

Desperation makes people not think straight lol...the sad part is I don't think the situation is that desperate.  The team is not horrible.  I think they need to improve to get farther in the playoffs but Jermaine O'Neal?  I much rather take my chances with Bynum then Jermaine O'Neal honestly.

Reality...I believe we were talking about true centers, not hybrids.  Amare is not a true center because he does not have a real back to the basket game.  To me true centers would be guys like Shaq, Duncan, Moses Malone, Kareem, Wilt, etc...guys who did most of their damage pounding in the paint to get good position.  Not getting most of their points from a pick and roll or by shooting fade away jumpers.
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