NBC tape of Iraqi

[Reality]

How does a tape by an embedded NBC journalist showing a US soldier shooting at an Insurgent end up on Al Jazzera t.v.?  Unedited.

Completely unedited and showng not only the shooting but the backs of US military their names written on their backs?

For that matter how does the embedded NBCers tape end up on U.S. national t.v.?
Are they allowed to disburse or is this NBC acting on their own?

My understanding is while Al Jazzera and other stations air this as a defenseless Insurgent being shot, the pure and innocent Insurgents have been known (repeatedly) to have loaded themselves up with bombs so that upon their death they can murdercide any Capitolistic or Capitalistic collaborating non Jihad non bin approved persons.  

How does this unedited tape end up being given to Al Jazz and all the media outlets?
I'm not asking the motivation of the US soldier, as it is being investigated that perhaps he was reacting to previous encounters whereupon Insurgents faked deaths or even when near death had rigged themselves up with explosives.
It's an ugly scene.  

[SPURSX3]

How does a tape by an embedded NBC journalist showing a US soldier shooting at an Insurgent end up on Al Jazzera t.v.?  Unedited.

Completely unedited and showng not only the shooting but the backs of US military their names written on their backs?

For that matter how does the embedded NBCers tape end up on U.S. national t.v.?
Are they allowed to disburse or is this NBC acting on their own?

My understanding is while Al Jazzera and other stations air this as a defenseless Insurgent being shot, the pure and innocent Insurgents have been known (repeatedly) to have loaded themselves up with bombs so that upon their death they can murdercide any Capitolistic or Capitalistic collaborating non Jihad non bin approved persons.  

How does this unedited tape end up being given to Al Jazz and all the media outlets?
I'm not asking the motivation of the US soldier, as it is being investigated that perhaps he was reacting to previous encounters whereupon Insurgents faked deaths or even when near death had rigged themselves up with explosives.
It's an ugly scene.

i didnt look at the video, but read what it had in it, frankly i can see troops losing it and doing this, it's war - people crack and this happens, its not right, its not right at all.  but what gets me is this.  Al Jazeera, makes this whole thing out to be americans are killing innocent Iraqis, right?  Isnt the main guiy they are looking for in Iraq Egyptian?   If Al Jazeera really gave a rats bumm about the people of Iraq why dont they show footage telling the truth, as they say we dont do, and show how these "insurgents" are not Iraqis and are killing Iraqis as well!!  it is good to know that Iraq has 250k memebers in thier new forces to help fight for thier own country now, i hope the Iraqis are up to the task and begin to take moving the insurgents out themselves into high priority.  Al Jazeera IMO should have a bomb dropped on it, but thats just my opinion....them and the WB.

[rickortreat]

I think that what's happening is that Al Jazeera is intercepting NBC's feed, and using it for themselves as they see fit.  They probably aren't even paying NBC for the service.

I saw a show last night about Afghani's and the suffering they experinced under the taliban.  I wonder if Al Jazeera will show what a disaster an islamic army can cause- butchered men and children- horrific abuse of women, and many orphaned children and widowed women with no ability to sustain themselves.  A little girl was singing a song lamenting the Taliban, and questioning why she was born into such an environment.

There's so much useless suffering going on in the world for no good reason.  In that part of the world, people don't accord each other respect and they don't respect life or private property.  It is a nightmare existance.  With all the problems we have in the US, we're much better off.  

[jn]

People do hideous things in war.  My grandfather, basically a decent guy,  fought in Korea and had one terrible regret.  He ended up shooting an unarmed Chinese soldier in the back.  

Nevertheless the U.S. could do itself a huge public relations favor by doing to things.

1. Actually keeping a count of civilian casualties.

2. Stop referring to civilian casualties as "collateral damage."  

I agree that Al Jazeera's airing of this is disgusting.  Then again the U.S. public has an awfully cavalier attitude about the damage we inflict.  

[SPURSX3]

I think that what's happening is that Al Jazeera is intercepting NBC's feed, and using it for themselves as they see fit.  They probably aren't even paying NBC for the service.

I saw a show last night about Afghani's and the suffering they experinced under the taliban.  I wonder if Al Jazeera will show what a disaster an islamic army can cause- butchered men and children- horrific abuse of women, and many orphaned children and widowed women with no ability to sustain themselves.  A little girl was singing a song lamenting the Taliban, and questioning why she was born into such an environment.

There's so much useless suffering going on in the world for no good reason.  In that part of the world, people don't accord each other respect and they don't respect life or private property.  It is a nightmare existance.  With all the problems we have in the US, we're much better off.

isnt zarqawi - is that his name, the egyptian running things for the insurgents in Iraq - part of the old taliban regime under Osama's group??

my buddy told me about that special on the taliban and its attrocities, Al Jazeera is fueling this war even further by feeding into the ignorance that is to only HATE the united states, not for any specific reason except that Osama says to, or some warlord says to, not because it specifically has anything to do with normal dya to day life but just because osama says we are bad.  they really do need to be put out of comission IMHO...

[jn]

No, Zarqawi is Jordanian.  He was in Afghanistan for training in Al-Qaieda but not actually member of the Taliban.  As time has gone on more and more of the early assumptions about him have been dismissed.  Most notably the assumption that he was a confirmed, high level member of Al Qaeda taking orders from Osama has been proven largely false.  He was a two bit freelancer until Colin Powell specifically mentioned him in his speech to the U.N.  That combined with some internet self promotion gave him a meteoric rise in publicity.  

[SPURSX3]

People do hideous things in war.  My grandfather, basically a decent guy,  fought in Korea and had one terrible regret.  He ended up shooting an unarmed Chinese soldier in the back.   

Nevertheless the U.S. could do itself a huge public relations favor by doing to things.

1. Actually keeping a count of civilian casualties.

2. Stop referring to civilian casualties as "collateral damage." 

I agree that Al Jazeera's airing of this is disgusting.  Then again the U.S. public has an awfully cavalier attitude about the damage we inflict.

i couldnt imagine having to kill anybody, let alone going through with it.   being in the situation where these troops are in for such a long time, who is to say i wouldnt lose it myself.  I feel for these guys, to know that they have been changed because of war.  it's not easy, its not excused, but i understand that it must be painful to live with all that goes on in conflict.

I am not saying our media is telling us the truth either, for petes sake, somebody needs to muzzle this network.  they have some personal agenda against us?  it makes them money? do they have ties to Osama also?  the Arab world needs to open its eye and see how this is affecting thier war on us, they wont win, they will cause innumerable deaths form people buying into this terrorist garbage and signing up to fight us.  they cant win, i dont think anyone will really "win" this war, it is just a matter of stalemate to keep evry inch in the region we can and hope to reeducate these people the "freeworld" way, that is what it comes down to right?  getting them to "like" westerners??  the Arabs though are losing people to the point of they are culling thier on believers.

[SPURSX3]

No, Zarqawi is Jordanian.  He was in Afghanistan for training in Al-Qaieda but not actually member of the Taliban.  As time has gone on more and more of the early assumptions about him have been dismissed.  Most notably the assumption that he was a confirmed, high level member of Al Qaeda taking orders from Osama has been proven largely false.  He was a two bit freelancer until Colin Powell specifically mentioned him in his speech to the U.N.  That combined with some internet self promotion gave him a meteoric rise in publicity.

so he was not part of al qaeda?!  how the hell does this guy land up with soo much power and so many people follwing his lead there?? why are the following a freaking jordanian?

[jn]

I'll see if I can find some of the articles detailing it and linking them.  

Seriously, Powell's mentioning ended up being a huge gift for him.  

Also I think the percantage of Iraqi's who actually follow him isn't that high.  More and more articles have come out about Iraqi's who define their own insurgency as legitimate and outsiders like Al-Zarqawi as a problem.  

[spursfan101]

People need to stop crucifying this poor kid. You've been in battle for days, you haven't slept, stress level is off the charts, and you probably have seen some of your buddies die from boobie trapped insurgent bodies.

Things like this happen, it's war. An unfortunate incident, it's horrible PR for our country, but we have to let it go.

[Ted]

People need to stop crucifying this poor kid. You've been in battle for days, you haven't slept, stress level is off the charts, and you probably have seen some of your buddies die from boobie trapped insurgent bodies.

Things like this happen, it's war. An unfortunate incident, it's horrible PR for our country, but we have to let it go.

Totally agree with 101. Urban warfare has to be the most horrible, frightening kind of warfare there is. Every window could have a sniper, every door could be a booby trap, every dead body could be holding a grenade. I don't know how these guys do it. It would be an unbelievably stressful job.

[rickortreat]

War is never pretty.  It always produces disgusting images of human suffering and collateral damage.

The US learned from Vietnam to control what the media shows.  Our sensbilities are such that we wouldn't want to fight any wars if we saw what it did to people.

I want you all to understand that this is not just a cultural conflict, but an economic one.  The US wants to bring that region under US domination, so we can exploit their natural resources.  We've been involved in that area for years -(Iraq and Iran) The Shah was installed as the leader of Iran in a coup engineered by the CIA.  Saddam Hussein was our CIA supported boy in Iraq.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/59tuh
 
Why do you think Iraq attacked Iran after Iran went Islamic fundamentalist on us?

They have reason to hate us, because we back whoever will allow us to exploit the resources.  When the bankers fail, and the CIA fails, we send in the military.  So our young men and women go off to die so you can get cheap oil to put in your car and heat your home and the oil companies can get stinking rich off the process.

This is not to justify the muslim fundamentalists, who seem to think we're still fighting the crusades.  Many of these people are ignorant of history or of the world, but they are sincerly religeous.  All that means is that they will follow someone they percieve as a spiritual leader well versed in the Koran.  AL Sadr is one of these, but he led many of his followers to slaughter.  He never kept his word when he made an agreement.  He may know the Koran well, but he is not an honest man or a wise leader.

Afghanistan is really a tragic story.  The Soviets invaded the country and broke its back (Not that it was a stable place to begin with!) The US oppossed them and financed fighters like Bin Laden who was also backed by the US!!!!  Bin Laden learned a lot fighting the Russians, and got a swelled head.  Afgahnistan was a good place for him, as he made contact with lots of other radical muslims and formed AL Quaida.  The Afghanis that supported him became the Taliban.  After the Russians left, the Taliban terrorised the country and kept Bin Laden safe.  

The US didn't care about all the suffering the Taliban were doing to their own people.,  But when Bin Laden got those planes to fly into some buildings, we invaded the country.  You know the rest.